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Xiolablu3
04-01-2009, 11:55 AM
This is a good watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ptuE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La3qJ4sptuE&feature=related)

2m45s reminds me of many an online engagement! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RedToo
04-01-2009, 12:23 PM
LOL 2.45 - offline too.

R_Target
04-01-2009, 12:25 PM
Okha onboard.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2n7qykz.jpg

VW-IceFire
04-01-2009, 05:56 PM
Seen these before but they are always a fascination to see again. Have to remember the real people and planes involved in those shots.

zlin
04-01-2009, 06:00 PM
This video is I think even better plus many guncam clips are in excellent quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji9iGLjnxk4

Xiolablu3
04-02-2009, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by zlin:
This video is I think even better plus many guncam clips are in excellent quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji9iGLjnxk4

SOme good stuff there Zlin, most of the first half is new to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

zlin
04-02-2009, 05:16 AM
Hi Xiolablu3 ,
I am glad you like it !! yeah , the first four clips are just portion from newly discovered WW2 film footage in Albert ***ler's house. Much of the gun camera footage is from the 354th Fighter Group .
Entire film footage was posted on MSNBC!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21...vp/27650485#27650485 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27650485#27650485)

Here is link to the video talking about how it was discovered :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21...vp/27651379#27651379 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27651379#27651379)

Skoshi Tiger
04-03-2009, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
This is a good watch...


2m45s reminds me of many an online engagement! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But did the fighter drop in on him or was the guy filming sholder shooting????

ImMoreBetter
04-03-2009, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by zlin:
This video is I think even better plus many guncam clips are in excellent quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji9iGLjnxk4

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Amazing footage.

danjama
04-03-2009, 07:28 PM
Yea that really is amazing footage..to think the pilots were probably about to die, its sad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Something we all probably forget from time to time.

At 4.42, imagine being in that plane, what a way to die http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Flight_boy1990
04-03-2009, 09:00 PM
lol
At the beginning of the movie,those yanks are shooting trigger happy like they're on their wedding day somewhere at Alabama... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
Anyway,horrible footage as usual...

My favourite moments are:
08:03-Perfect evasive by the bothe Zeros.
08:23-Awfull,i think i saw a hand waving from the cockpit of the burning Frank...

R_Target
04-03-2009, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
lol
At the beginning of the movie,those yanks are shooting trigger happy like they're on their wedding day somewhere at Alabama... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
Anyway,horrible footage as usual...

Horrible for you I'm sure. It must make your blood boil to see those hillbillies blasting so many 109s out of the sky. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Flight_boy1990
04-03-2009, 10:25 PM
Yeah,horrible to see those Luftwaffe boys beeing shotdown.
But also happy to see why the americans prefer using MG's instead of cannons! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

R_Target
04-03-2009, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
Yeah,horrible to see those Luftwaffe boys beeing shotdown.
But also happy to see why the americans prefer using MG's instead of cannons! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

From the looks of it, to start a lot more fires. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ElAurens
04-03-2009, 11:36 PM
Another thread gone from good to fail in four posts.

Flight_boy1990
04-04-2009, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by R_Target:

From the looks of it, to start a lot more fires. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Look,i don't know if you're a yank,but i'm not trying to say "US Weapons sux" and start a fire fight with the US members of this forum,ok?
I'm just saying what i'm thinking,that's the democracy,the Free Speach,right?
So,i've seen a late war guncam videos of a FW-190 armed with 30mm cannons,and to tell you...50 cal's sure can start a fire..in a Zero with some 3 sec burst and from 50 meters,but 30 mm's sure can rip a P-51 or a Spitfire,and unfortunately it's pilot,a part in a second.

Size matters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

Waldo.Pepper
04-04-2009, 02:44 AM
http://pixhost.ws/avaxhome/22/23/000c2322.jpeg

Back on topic please gentlemen. Watch this P-38 daredevil expert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdBuTh8N_w4

zlin
04-04-2009, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
lol

My favourite moments are:
08:03-Perfect evasive by the bothe Zeros.
08:23-Awfull,i think i saw a hand waving from the cockpit of the burning Frank...

Wow !! it's not only me who saw at first pilot hands on left side of the canopy and then immediately right side of the canopy in this video beginning at 08:23 !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji9iGLjnxk4
I thought I am the only one who noticed that and was alway wondering what in the world was happening in that cockpit .
Those sure looks like hands in chaos left and right all over the cockpit !!!
Could that be what bullets can do to a body inside pit ?
Horrible.

R_Target
04-04-2009, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
Look,i don't know if you're a yank,but i'm not trying to say "US Weapons sux" and start a fire fight with the US members of this forum,ok?

So you say, yet you continue to use national slurs.


I'm just saying what i'm thinking,that's the democracy,the Free Speach,right?

People are free to say the stupidest things they desire.


So,i've seen a late war guncam videos of a FW-190 armed with 30mm cannons,and to tell you...50 cal's sure can start a fire..in a Zero with some 3 sec burst and from 50 meters,but 30 mm's sure can rip a P-51 or a Spitfire,and unfortunately it's pilot,a part in a second.

How humane.


Size matters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

For some guys, yes.

general_kalle
04-04-2009, 12:00 PM
just to change subjekt i hope BOB is gonna have tracers lookin like those in this guncam.
the tracers we have now are way too many and too "straight" the real ones are sort of Zig zag.

also i doubt the used so many different colours as we see in IL2.

Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Purple...

Jaws2002
04-04-2009, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
just to change subjekt i hope BOB is gonna have tracers lookin like those in this guncam.
the tracers we have now are way too many and too "straight" the real ones are sort of Zig zag.

also i doubt the used so many different colours as we see in IL2.

Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Purple...


Bullets don't fly in zigzag. they fly straight. The zigzag is from the camera vibrations not from the bullets flying in zig-zag.

You are also wrong about the color of the tracers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
The tracer color is given by the type of chemicals burning.....Just like in Fireworks. Different nations used different chemicals for tracers.

"That evening, two Japanese tanks charge the 10th Battalion. "The men were quiet," records the official history, "the silence was broken by a strange sound coming from the east...when a light was seen through the jungle, an angry voice yelled 'Put out that bloody light!' It was thought to be one of the battalion's Bren carriers." Instead the Japanese open fire. The Australians have no anti-tank weapons, and take heavy casualties. The night battle is brilliantly lit by red, green, and blue tracers, as both sides open up with everything they have, amid pouring rain and stinking jungle. "


"Left) Figure 25: A sample of two paper labels to be found on both the side and the end of the ammunition boxes and ammunition containers. All ammunition boxes and containers, no matter what calibre, had these paper labels attached on the outside to identify the contents. The paper labels normally measured 7x10cm Some of them could have a green, blue, yellow or red 3cm-wide bar running across them or in the middle of the label from top to bottom to identify what colour of tracer/fuse there was within. In addition, triangles in the corners of the label in the colours of the tracers are also visible "

http://www.missing-lynx.com/li...ak2_dmourtizsen.html (http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/flak2_dmourtizsen.html)
http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/flakarticle_dmouritzsen26.jpg

"Tracers came in two forms. One version burned for green five seconds and covered 1200 meters (although it was required to reach 1500 meters). An anti-aircraft tracer was also created. It was unique in that it burned red for 800 meters as it ascended, then burned green as it fell back to earth. This version was soon discarded, but the first model was kept to the present day."

http://www.russianwarrior.com/...1890Ammo76254R.htm&1 (http://www.russianwarrior.com/STMMain.htm?1890Ammo76254R.htm&1)


http://taenia.homestead.com/fi...wii_TracerColors.htm (http://taenia.homestead.com/files/wwii_TracerColors.htm)

Tab_Flettner
04-04-2009, 02:50 PM
I don't "get" the soundtrack. It's a mix of radio calls from EAW and Janes WWII.

zlin
04-04-2009, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Tab_Flettner:
I don't "get" the soundtrack. It's a mix of radio calls from EAW and Janes WWII.

It's just for background , still better to create some aerial combat atmosfere than dead quiet or some violent metal music http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Flight_boy1990
04-06-2009, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by R_Target:

So you say, yet you continue to use national slurs.
Dude chill.I haven't seen any japanese citizens here,complaining of the mass usage of the word "jap",so i can't see what's the problem then.


People are free to say the stupidest things they desire.
And that's for you or for me?Because i can't see myself of saying "the stupidest thing" so far.


So,i've seen a late war guncam videos of a FW-190 armed with 30mm cannons,and to tell you...50 cal's sure can start a fire..in a Zero with some 3 sec burst and from 50 meters,but 30 mm's sure can rip a P-51 or a Spitfire,and unfortunately it's pilot,a part in a second.

How humane.
Yes,and i do feel sorry for that buddy over here,at the end of the movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKh0kS0fJjQ
Exactly one second as i said.

Peace,
Gringo.

danjama
04-06-2009, 06:35 AM
Arguing in a guncam thread is Gay sort it out. Take it to PM if you're both gonna keep doing it caus it is ruining this thread.

Back on topic, that P38 clip was brilliant, he looks like he was having a blast! I also saw the hand pop out of the cockpit at 8.23 but i think he was trying to wave the fighter off, maybe thinking it was friendly or something....either way it's not a pretty sight.

Flight_boy1990
04-06-2009, 08:28 AM
About the argue,i didn't started it...

About the 8:23...
I'd say that this was a panic,he had a fire right beneath his seat...
I hope he survived.

blairgowrie
04-06-2009, 08:50 AM
I don't know who started using the word Jap here but it is a strict no, no on UBI Forums. Please stop arguing and get this thread back on topic, pronto. I am also going to give you a word of caution Flight_boy1990 about some of your comments in this thread. I know you are just trying to be funny but your comment "At the beginning of the movie,those yanks are shooting trigger happy like they're on their wedding day somewhere at Alabama." was very close to the bone.

Choctaw111
04-06-2009, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
This is a good watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ptuE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La3qJ4sptuE&feature=related)

2m45s reminds me of many an online engagement! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

This guncam film was featured on the Discovery Channel's "Wings" back in the late 80's-early 90's on the Hellcat episode. The accompanying guitar soundtrack for that episode on that show was fantastic. It was on YouTube for a short time, but now I can no longer find it. The P38 Lightning episode also had a good soundtrack.

Choctaw111
04-06-2009, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by zlin:
This video is I think even better plus many guncam clips are in excellent quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji9iGLjnxk4

There were many movie clip in there I hadn't seen before. Very well put together film.

Choctaw111
04-06-2009, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
just to change subjekt i hope BOB is gonna have tracers lookin like those in this guncam.
the tracers we have now are way too many and too "straight" the real ones are sort of Zig zag.

also i doubt the used so many different colours as we see in IL2.

Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Purple...

Not rue. There are many different colors. I have seen different colors for real in the Army with foreign military forces. Not as many as in game, but they did exist. If you do some research, there is some information on the web to find. I also have some books that give some of this information.

Wildnoob
04-06-2009, 11:43 AM
here there are pretty impressive and with excellent quality color guncams from the Pacific theater of operations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajh4wQEN5PI

sorry, I don't speak Japanese to inform the tittle, but like a people say in the comments section it's probably guncams of Hellcats during the 'Marianas turkey shoot'.

I think that one of the most impressive guncam footage I ever see is the shot from a A6M being hit and enter in stall in flammes from 13 to 18 seconds of the video.

Wildnoob
04-06-2009, 11:59 AM
I have a doubth also. please if someone can confirm it to me I would be glad.

as far as I know the Japanese only used guncams from training purposes. I already hear someone saying that they don't used it initially for save wheigth. though I keep with doubth because I have a diagram of a Ki-84 and the camera appear installed in the rigth wing. as for a modern and very powerful figther like the Ki-84 this shouldn't be apply in comparison of the most comm A6M and Ki-43.

b2spirita
04-06-2009, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Wildnoob:
here there are pretty impressive and with excellent quality color guncams from the Pacific theater of operations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajh4wQEN5PI

sorry, I don't speak Japanese to inform the tittle, but like a people say in the comments section it's probably guncams of Hellcats during the 'Marianas turkey shoot'.

I think that one of the most impressive guncam footage I ever see is the shot from a A6M being hit and enter in stall in flammes from 13 to 18 seconds of the video.


That is some very high quality footage. Babel fish says the title is 'The Japanese military machine which is downed' and the info is ' is record image of the Japanese military machine which was photographed by the gun camera which is loaded onto the American ??, is downed.'

R_Target
04-06-2009, 01:33 PM
Some of the footage is from VF-1 Hellcats June 1944 at Battle of the Philippine Sea. At the time, VF-1 was the only USN squadron equipped with color guncameras as the footage was intended for use in the USN documentary "The Fighting Lady".

Some of it, I don't really know, but if not from the Marianas, than Leyte or later.

The footage of the Betty interceptions posted earlier would have to be March 1945 or later. It may be March 21, 1945. 18(some sources:16) G4M + 30 A6M intercepted by 16 F6F.

How widespread color cameras were at this time I also don't know, but obviously more than in June 1944.

Flight_boy1990
04-06-2009, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by blairgowrie:
I don't know who started using the word Jap here but it is a strict no, no on UBI Forums. Please stop arguing and get this thread back on topic, pronto. I am also going to give you a word of caution Flight_boy1990 about some of your comments in this thread. I know you are just trying to be funny but your comment "At the beginning of the movie,those yanks are shooting trigger happy like they're on their wedding day somewhere at Alabama." was very close to the bone.
Dear blairgowrie,
for the 3 years i've been on this forum (1 year silent reader and 2 years,registered),i've seen a lot of things,please check the following (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=search&reqWords=jap&exactPhrase=&optWords=&notWords=&f=25910613&subjectOnly=N&afterDate=&beforeDate=&authorName=&exactAuthor=Y&sortType=0&ptyp_poll=Y&ptyp_album=Y&ptyp_msg=Y&ptyp_count=3&x_display_post_details=1&groupType=1&search=Search).So you better write this law about using "national slurs " in the rulles,and delete the newer entries of such words.
And about my jokes for what i said for the trigger happy americans,i've seen the same type of things,pointed by american members here to other coultures and countries.
I don't want to start the argueing,i just want to point you out those non-less important things.
You can remove my post whenever you want.

Excuse me for the Off/Topic here.

With deep respect,
Gringo.

blairgowrie
04-06-2009, 03:18 PM
Mr Flight boy1990 I am not going to debate this with you on an open Forum. Take my comments in the spirit they were given and let me have the last word please.

danjama
04-06-2009, 05:07 PM
Man that's some of the best footage i have ever seen, so detailed!

JarheadEd
04-06-2009, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Wildnoob:
here there are pretty impressive and with excellent quality color guncams from the Pacific theater of operations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajh4wQEN5PI

sorry, I don't speak Japanese to inform the tittle, but like a people say in the comments section it's probably guncams of Hellcats during the 'Marianas turkey shoot'.

I think that one of the most impressive guncam footage I ever see is the shot from a A6M being hit and enter in stall in flammes from 13 to 18 seconds of the video.

At 1:33,..the right wingfold is,......folded. At least that's what it looks like to me.

Great finds all of you.

R_Target
04-06-2009, 11:10 PM
Here another sequence from "The Fighting Lady." The armorers must've slipped in a couple magic BBs, as this ship explodes under MG fire.

http://i42.tinypic.com/24ce0cg.jpg

zlin
04-07-2009, 04:13 PM
This one is also a very good piece and quality , although not in color .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A95ONwbq8Zw

zlin
04-09-2009, 03:43 PM
Let's not this forum topic to die ;-)
A little bump with another amazing good footage !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fklMF2e6Nts

Choctaw111
04-09-2009, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by zlin:
Let's not this forum topic to die ;-)
A little bump with another amazing good footage !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fklMF2e6Nts

Some of that film was amazing. The filming behind the 110 pilot while he was shooting...incredible. I had never seen that part before. I did see the part after the shooting where he was happy about shooting the plane down. War is not pretty, but it is good to see that movies and pictures of it are preserved to show future generations.

zlin
04-09-2009, 05:12 PM
I agree 100% Choctaw111 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I haven't seen 95% of this footage ever before and I thought I saw it all !! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
I believe it was sadly IL-2 that was shot down not to mention guy bailing out of B-17 on fire while attacking plane guns were still firing .

Sincerely,
HolyGrail

Flight_boy1990
04-10-2009, 02:37 AM
Not coloured but definitely something new to see!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...J6qc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSzBwJjJ6qc&feature=related)

Xiolablu3
04-10-2009, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zlin:
Let's not this forum topic to die ;-)
A little bump with another amazing good footage !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fklMF2e6Nts

Some of that film was amazing. The filming behind the 110 pilot while he was shooting...incredible. I had never seen that part before. I did see the part after the shooting where he was happy about shooting the plane down. War is not pretty, but it is good to see that movies and pictures of it are preserved to show future generations. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love the part where the big heavy 110 tries to waggle its wings and ends up looking like a pregnant duck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

K_Freddie
04-11-2009, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
Not coloured but definitely something new to see!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...J6qc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSzBwJjJ6qc&feature=related)

You'll find that clip from the World At War series (1975/6)
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

wheelsup_cavu
04-12-2009, 07:09 PM
I had not seen most of this gun camera footage.
Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wheelsup

BigKahuna_GS
04-13-2009, 11:27 AM
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Back on topic please gentlemen. Watch this P-38 daredevil expert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdBuTh8N_w4
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Thanks for posting W.Pepper!

Damn that P38 driver is good, the low level dive/bank/turn at 56-57sec. is very impressive. Almost looks like a partial Split-S.

I was at Planes of Fame at Chino for P38 day and while it is cool to watch them start up and fly the P38. They really baby that thing. I heard some of the WW2 P38 pilots saying that only about 20"MAP was being pulled as the P38 flew over head.

It's good to see what the P38 could really do in that video by an experienced pilot at very low level.

Nice Color Gun Cam:

P51s over Japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAtIRef7I0&feature=related)

Good Clarity

P47 Gun Cam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZD-7doU8Q0)

zlin
04-29-2009, 04:43 PM
Not bad , not bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif
There is also some of the LT.COL.Gabreski 63 SQDN. guncamera .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQcKzNNfl6A

Insuber
05-02-2009, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
just to change subjekt i hope BOB is gonna have tracers lookin like those in this guncam.
the tracers we have now are way too many and too "straight" the real ones are sort of Zig zag.

also i doubt the used so many different colours as we see in IL2.

Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Purple...

Colours are OK, they're historical AFAIK, my issue is that in game they're not very visible, but maybe it's my monitor ....

Ins