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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 05:07 PM
Oleg:

There has been much speculation about where the next expansion will take us. I hope you will consider expanding Il-2 into those areas where no other flight sim has covered, the Mediterranean front.

The early war engagements over Yugoslavia, Greece, and Crete have never been covered. Tunisia and Italy have likewise been neglected!

To the Med, Oleg! It has the sand we want to feel!

Thanks.

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 05:07 PM
Oleg:

There has been much speculation about where the next expansion will take us. I hope you will consider expanding Il-2 into those areas where no other flight sim has covered, the Mediterranean front.

The early war engagements over Yugoslavia, Greece, and Crete have never been covered. Tunisia and Italy have likewise been neglected!

To the Med, Oleg! It has the sand we want to feel!

Thanks.

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06-13-2003, 05:10 PM
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dux-1
06-13-2003, 06:19 PM
This deserves a bump....

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 07:04 PM
Yeah, I agree! Hope to see it

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 07:28 PM
And after doing a Mediterranean, how about a sim that covers the Mexican war of 1916? What about the Russian Revolution? Are there any wars where no aircraft were ever shot down - perhaps we can have a game that covers those conflicts? That would be fun.

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Message Edited on 06/13/0306:50PM by Beery

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:27 PM
I think a sim about North Africa would be realy cool.
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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:30 PM
I hope its the Med, can't wait for the Hurrican Mk.IID

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 10:50 PM
I hope it is not the Pacific, though i love to see it.

1st, it requires a much deeper level of AAA.

2nd, it requires a much deeper level of AI maneuvres(surface objects)

3rd, it requires carriers. at least 3 american and 3 japanese

4th, the current PCs cannot support the Naval carrier battles(some 100s of planes and a LOT of ships firing like crazy!

I hope it is Med, not North Africa. With italy, Malta, North Africa, Balcans, Crete...

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 11:00 PM
Crete and Operation Merkur !




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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 04:36 AM
I strong agree with you. Very serious.

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 10:41 AM
I can 't belive still exist people like you Beery ! The North Africa and the Mediterraneo area has been the second front in Europe an till Normandy. Did you hear something about: Creta, Tobruk, Malta, El Alamain, Tunisia, Sicily, Montecassino, Anzio ect ect? I know you are that kind of people who wants another version of Battle of Britain but i think the sim community is tired of it!
To undestand how important has been that area in the WW2 for almost 3 years look how many countrys fight there with them troops: Great Britain, Germany, USA, Italy, France,New Zeland, Australia,India, Poland, Yugoslavia, Greece, Marocco,Brazil ( someone alse?). Last thing: you don 't forgett the raid on Ploesti started all from the airports in the south of Italy.

I realy hope we will have a sim on this area realy soon

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 10:44 AM
Yes Keep us Europeans (The USAAF they where in there to!) happy with the Med that was promised a long time ago!!!!

1, The Med came out as the big winner in a poll on a new sim theather!

2, In a other Poll the Luftwaffe was the favourite airforce

3, a lot of a/c for the Med/North African campaigns are already finnished or in development for a long time!( look at the large amount of beatifull skins that are made for it aswell)

4, Stay true to the 'Forgotten' but interesting wars formula that haven't be featured in a million flight sims before!
That is what makes the sim's of Maddox so special!

Wasn't the European comunity the largest slice of the cake by far in a poll not so long ago!

For the carrier fans (Like myself, there was carrier action in the Med aswell!)

I love to see a paccific sim in the future but whe have been waiting a verey long time already for this one!
regards,
Kees

XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 10:48 AM
Beery wrote:
- And after doing a Mediterranean, how about a sim
- that covers the Mexican war of 1916? What about the
- Russian Revolution? Are there any wars where no
- aircraft were ever shot down - perhaps we can have a
- game that covers those conflicts? That would be
- fun.
-


hehehe.... you remind me the guy (I won't say his nationality) that once asked me if Napoleon was before or after Hannibal. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
I suspect you think that the Mediterranean saw just the Roman and Greek wars. Isn't it? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif





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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 11:07 AM
Yes,Mediterranean front!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 11:25 AM
Sry i forgott Canada too.
I think we have to wait a realy long time to have a sim about Mediterraneo front. We need: all the maps, all the italians, english, americans ect ect boats, lot of planes: Macchi 200, 202,205,Fiat Cr 32, Cr42, G50,G55, Reggiane,2000,2002,2005, SM79, SM81,SM82,P-38, B-17, B-24 Spit, Swordfish, P-51, Gloster Gladiator, P-80 ( they flew just twice in the WW2 in Italy!) Dewotine, ect ect.
Lot of job and it needs a long time but the finaly product it could be fantastic,we could fly from the desert to the alps!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 12:37 PM
yeah, med all the way. that would be the absolutely best theatre and the history is not as cruel as in russia...

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 03:09 PM
Beery wrote:
- And after doing a Mediterranean, how about a sim
- that covers the Mexican war of 1916?

Cementing your reputation on the forums, eh Beery?

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 03:22 PM
Cossack13 wrote:

- Beery wrote:

-- And after doing a Mediterranean, how about a sim
-- that covers the Mexican war of 1916?
-
- Cementing your reputation on the forums, eh Beery?



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Yeah, stop arguing, bring on the Med!

XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 04:34 PM
LOL a game about the mexican air war in the 1910s 1920s revolt, that would be cool lol (i am a mexian) we were the first to use a plane like a war machine (not as they all say the germans, we did it months or about a year before)
our light planes even had devise to drop the bombs hanging from the belly or the plane, not as many of the ww1 pilots had the bombs in their copit and they would drop them by hand, i imagine it, he drops it and hits the wing lol, boomb! wow what kind of new wepong is that..

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 11:23 AM
Well Guys,
When they ran the Online Poll to see what theatre of the War would be next, The MED got the majority poll vote.
So I would not be surprised if it is the Med they are working on now.
I do not mind at all admitting that I would love to see an Aircraft carrier find its way into a Med Sim as well.

I tell you what though I can just imagine the clamour from the American contingent about a Pacific Sim if a British Air craft carrier shows up in a Med Sim, created by Maddox 1C ( chuckle)
Incidently I was researching Pacific War history the other day, and came accross American support Aircraft carriers that took part in operations of the Battle of the Phillipine sea, in 1944.
As it turns out these little support Carriers where called in from North Atlantic escort duties.

Hows that eh, American support Aircraft carriers providing air cover at sea for the North Atlantic convoys headed for Russia!!

LOL, if it suited Oleg and team they could model American support carriers for FB and be historicaly accurate right now.




Message Edited on 06/15/03 10:30AM by Artic_Wulf

Message Edited on 06/15/0310:31AM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 12:42 PM
These 'escort carriers' were part of the hunter/killer AS groups.

They were built using mostly C-3 freighter hulls.

There was ~120 built.

American built but not American manned, for the RN (and RCN) recieved many of them via LL.

The USS St. Lo (CVE 63) spent it's whole time in the Pacific. Neither did the USS Gambier Bay (CVE 73) ever see Atlantic waters.

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 01:19 PM
Artic_Wulf wrote:
- Well Guys,
- When they ran the Online Poll to see what theatre of
- the War would be next, The MED got the majority poll
- vote.
[SNIP]

Yes, I hope Ubi and 1C:Maddox will see that poll as an "advisory referendum" from the community on which theater of the war to cover next!


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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 03:44 PM
For Stuka fans the Med will be paradise, read Peter C. Smith's book at the awsome impact the Stuka made on the enemy navy's and convoy's!
Lots of destroyers where sunk but even famous RoyalNavy Carriers where heavely damaged in this theather.
In North Africa the Stuka's where the Nasty nemisis towards troop convoys in the Desserts.

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 04:43 PM
Beery wrote:
- And after doing a Mediterranean, how about a sim
- that covers the Mexican war of 1916? What about the
- Russian Revolution? Are there any wars where no
- aircraft were ever shot down - perhaps we can have a
- game that covers those conflicts? That would be
- fun.


-
-IIRC the first aerial engagment ever was in the Mexican Revolution,between 2 americans fireing handguns at each other until they ran out of ammo,where they than landed at the nearest cantina and got very drunk together.

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 04:56 PM
Yes, Med first !!!!!

Thank you,

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 06:23 PM
Totally agree!

Fantastic theater for all: England (and friends), France, Italy, Greece, Germany, USA.

The problem? Naval operations and graphic engine.

I would like very much sink (sorry, try to sink) "Ark Royal" on my SM 79 "Sparviero"!!! Or engage Hurricanes and Spit over Malta with my "Macchi"!!!

Yes absolutely agree with MED!

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:48 AM
YES YES YES.

MEDaglia
MEDaglia
MEDaglia.... for those who don't know italian, medaglia=medal... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 09:04 AM
Shardana wrote:
- YES YES YES.
-
- MEDaglia
- MEDaglia
- MEDaglia.... for those who don't know italian,
- medaglia=medal... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 12:27 PM
aaaah you forgot about USS Wasp.
She would be good in a Med scenario, after all those Spitfires she delivered to Malta,

While the Spitfires warmed up their engines in the Hanger decks the F4F Wildcats took off and circled the area the carrier was in.
Then up came the Spits with engines warmed up and ready to go.
Unfortunatly most of the Spits from that delivery where destroyed by german Air Raids, or shot down over Malta by 1/JG77 who had been transfered from the Russian Front to deal with Malta.
Seigfried frietag from 1/JG77 shot down about 70 RAF aircraft over Malta, during the time JG77 was stationed in the area.
The Germans called him Die Stern Von Malta (The star of Malta)
Also the F4F Wild cats from USS Wasp where invloved in quite a few air strikes against German positions during the initial invasion of North Africa.

Hows that eh! a USA Aircraft Carrier operating in the Med, she was transfered to the Pacific later as well but got torpedoed by a Jap Sub.



Message Edited on 06/16/0311:29AM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:25 PM
Great post, Artic Wulf!

Clearly, the Med would be the optimal theater to allow for the intoduction (albeit eventual) of aircraft carriers!

Even our pro-Pacific friends should agree (if they know what's good for 'em)!

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:58 PM
Mediterranean is all i dream about, since we started to work on the P-47.

It's the theatre of the 1st Brazilian Fighter Squadron! Lets go to Italy!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:26 PM
Yep. The Med and North Africa would be nice. And for you carrier lovers, Operation Torch might be interesting. For myself, it would be nice to have a flyable D.520 and a Hawk 75, as well as those very pretty Italian fighters.

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 05:52 PM
PACIFIC!

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 08:55 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- PACIFIC!

It's been DONE! AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN!

Now, it is time for something new!

Geez, if it were up to some folks, Oleg wouldn't have been ALLOWED to do the Eastern Front in the first place! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The previously mentioned poll plus the responses to this thread show the preference is for the Med.

Particularly when one considers the European market...

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 09:27 PM
Hey Guys,
At the Momment the Maddox 1c group has no peer when it comes to creating WW 2 Combat flight Simulations.
They are establishing a Fanatical World Wide following, because of game Quality.
You may find that Maddox 1C keeps on creating combat flight Sims, and gets around to doing the Pacific eventualy.

Perhaps Oleg could give us some insight there.

At the moment they do not have a single seriouse competitor in this caper, so it stands to reason they will continue to clean up with Sales world Wide in regards to WW 2 Combat Flight Simulating, as long as they keep producing new titles.

Myself I would also like to see the Ultimate Pacific Sim one day from the Maddox gaming house, but am looking Forward to the Med also, as well as WW 2 RTS, what a quantum leap WW II RTS will be over Close Combat 3 the Russian Front!!

Its getting to the stage now that when ever you go into a Software Store looking for a WW II Simulation, your going to ask the retailer,
Hmmmm excuse me but what does Maddox 1C have in regards to this theatre of the War.

dux-1
06-17-2003, 09:33 PM
Cossack13 wrote:
- LeadSpitter_ wrote:
-- PACIFIC!
-
- It's been DONE! AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN!
-
- Now, it is time for something new!
-

DITTO!

S!

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 01:35 PM
Always the same story: please the next sim on BoB ( how many of them in the shops 23?), Pacific fist!!! ( one sim made just 2 years ago!)

Mediterraneo is samething totaly new like the easter front has been and i'm sure could have the same success!!! Afther this you can remake BoB or Pacific teatre no first...

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:18 PM
S!
Mediterranean sounds great!!! But it should come with some BoB´s map!!!! it will be a complete sim!!!!!!! /i/smilies/16x16_man-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:45 PM
Pacific would be great but MED is better: more airforce involved.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 06:22 PM
Ha! I see the opponents to the Med are reduced to personal attacks on me! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The enemy have surrendered! Onward to the Mediterranean! Woo-hoo!

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 06:50 PM
Damn you Cossack....getting my thread locked like that !!

It's a conspiracy, a conspiracy I tell yah !


Lixma,

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 07:23 PM
Do you remember "Desert fighter" by Sierra? It was cancelled.

MED would be the first.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 07:31 PM
I agree, the Mediterranean should be the focus of the next expansion. As far as I'm concerned, the Pacific is just a bunch of water! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 07:45 PM
Ops! What have you said! Thank!

In MED we have also the possibility to have air-naval battle!

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 08:00 PM
Lixma wrote:
- Damn you Cossack....getting my thread locked like
- that !!

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 08:56 PM
This gets my vote. I love all of those Italian planes!
Does this mean I'll be a Medwhiner? Bravo! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 05:00 PM
Yes, I vote for Malta,Sicily, North Africa ...


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:21 AM
O yeah do not forget the Tuskegee airmann!
They started in north Africa and flew on from Italy over Europe without losing a single Bomber that they escorted,
These guy's are certainly not forgotten but it would be nice if they are not forgotten in this sim, just like their Brazillian college's!

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:28 AM
Sure, the Pacific was done serveral times, for MSDOS. There has not been one good Pacific sim for Windows (CFS2 was medicore); this theater could certainly use a treatment by Maddox Games.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:31 AM
Hey guys,
There was one sim out a few years ago that had North Africa, I think it was Fighter Squadron: Screaming Demons Over Europe (But it had a Tunisia/Sicily terrain too). The main problem with it was it wasn't IL-2

Anyway, when you consider Oleg likes to use a base texture set that is common, which makes sense, I have listed the various maps I would like to see in the Med. Theatre release, whether it's their next release or not. Notice, since the textures would be similar, I am including a terrain for part of Spain so we can have the Med AND the Spanish Civil War with one release

I assume all of these terrains are the size of the Balaton and/or Finnish Gulf terrains in FB or slightly larger on the terrains that cross the med due to all of the water.

Terrain 1: Madrid Terrain A square terrain map approximately centered on Madrid roughly the size of the Balaton terrain for the Spanish Civil War.

Terrain 2: Operation Torch Terrain I don't know if it would be too large to load, but I envision this as a rectangular terrain stretching from just west of Casablanca to just east of Algiers and stretching from just south of Casablanca and extending North to just below the southern tip of Majorca. I am hoping all the water would make that doable. If not, then I would either split it into two separate terrains or just have it extend west to just beyond Oran, maybe to Melilla.

Terrain 3: Straight of Sicily This would include northern Tunisia, all of Sicily and Malta and Pantelleria and include the southern tip of Italy, Calibria, just south of Catanzaro. If that is too big, make one that is just the straight of Sicily, with the south and west of Sicily all of Malta and northern Tunisia and then make one that is Malta Sicily and far enough north into Italy to simulate Operation Avalanche at the Gulf of Salerno and the earlier raids on Taranto flown from Malta.

Terrain 4: El Alamein: North Africa With all the combat that took place here, this would be THEE must have of all the terrains, because of the land battles that took place here.

Terrain 5: Libya-Crete-Peloponnesos Now, asking people to fly across the Med might be a bit much, but I really want to use the Beaufighter there the way it was used later in the war. This would include northern Libya (Cyrenaica), maybe go as far east as the Sinai, just because it would be cool to fly by the Pyramids in IL-2?
It would then go north far enough to include all of Peloponnesos Island in Greece which means it would include Naxos as well.
If this terrain proved to be too large, due to the Med, I would remove the north Africa part and just make it more centered on the Aegean Sea, with Crete included of course.

Oh well, it's a dream anyway. If they DID make those terrains, I would then make the follow up release most of Italy, Switzerland, Austria, southern Germany and the French German Border. It would be cool flying over the Alps in IL-2. That would sort of take care of mainland Europe, except the part they would model for BoB which could be used for Normandy, then Oleg has all of the PTO and the CBI to conquer.

Also, maybe they could add a "low detail", i.e., only have a few Major cities and the main airfields and alternates for the Ploesti raids. You have to admit it would be cool to be able to fly a B-24 from Africa and bomb Ploesti and try to make it back or land on some of the alternate airfields that had cliffs at the end of them. or even fly for the Luftwaffe and defend the raid. Or maybe they could just make enough terrains that border each other that you would get a "pause" flying from one to the other as the next terrain loaded. I know I'm probably dreaming there, but...

Bring on the Med and the Beaufighter!


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 05:32 PM
Good points Sundog i only don't see how the Med is a larger terrain problem then say Russia?

For CFS2 I have already Downloaded and flown over gorgeous Crete (=Kriti in Greek or Kreta to the rest)made by a third pary modeller.

Ofcourse unlike FS 2000 where you can fly over the entire world Olegs product will probaly concentrate on the highlight's Like Torch Malta Sicely Crete Ploesti, (Hell (why not Madrid, Or you could pretent one of them to be Spain)etc, etc, or maybe Oleg want's to try something new and ad interlocking terainsections so we do get a huge terrain from North Africa, Roemania Hungary Poland (Where it all started!) towards Russia and Finland.

By the time a new sim will be finnished by the team the PC level will be much higher I recon!

Anyway i like the idea of using beau's against shipping but I prefer the Stuka wich sincerly earned it's title in the Med theather!

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:40 PM
Except for the Finland map, all FB maps are in the 3-400km sqaure range. Put some of those squares on a map of the Med and see what you get. The whole Med theatre is something like 4000km by 2000km.



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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 12:49 AM
Cossack13

LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- PACIFIC!

It's been DONE! AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN!

Now, it is time for something new!

Geez, if it were up to some folks, Oleg wouldn't have been ALLOWED to do the Eastern Front in the first place!

The previously mentioned poll plus the responses to this thread show the preference is for the Med.

Particularly when one considers the European market...

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It hasnt been done from pearl harbor to the surrender of japan including the japanese invasion of chn AVG!!!

the pacific would be a HUGE SELLER med and north africa would sell about as many copies as FB did

btw the russian theater was done already too

Aces over russia
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arent you glad it was redone???????

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 12:58 AM
Sorry Leadspitter, but I still think the Med would be the better place to go.

I'm really looking forward to some of the early war battles, such as Yugoslavia and Crete. It will also be interesting in the later war when the Yugoslav Partisans start flying Yaks and captured 109s!

Sorry, but going where no one has gone before is a lot more interesting the revisting Aces of the Pacific...

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 01:21 AM
I respect your opinion but having my grandfather on the carrier tarawa in wwii in guada canal and the korean war along with my granmother a nurse in hawaii and sent to japan after the war my heart is in the pacific and really want a descent pacific sim from the start to the end. cfs2 had no online ordinances or movable carriers online which is something I been wanting for along time. I have alot of pictures of my grandparents alot from the tarawa I need to scan a bunch, theres some good ones of my grandmother and bob hope.

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06-21-2003, 05:43 AM
Posted by Aztek Eagle:

LOL a game about the mexican air war in the 1910s 1920s revolt, that would be cool lol (i am a mexian) we were the first to use a plane like a war machine (not as they all say the germans, we did it months or about a year before)
our light planes even had devise to drop the bombs hanging from the belly or the plane, not as many of the ww1 pilots had the bombs in their copit and they would drop them by hand, i imagine it, he drops it and hits the wing lol, boomb! wow what kind of new wepong is that..

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06-21-2003, 08:00 AM
---LOL a game about the mexican air war in the 1910s 1920s
---revolt, that would be cool lol (i am a mexian) we were
---the first to use a plane like a war machine (not as they
---all say the germans, we did it months or about a year before)

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Tell more, please. !!!!!!!! And the trains too.

All I ever heard was German/Austrian dropping bomblets or darts from Eitrich Taube in 1912 middle east or someplace.

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 01:41 PM
BOB again? YAWN!

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06-23-2003, 02:10 PM
I agree on Med. Why BoB if we can have all the planes of BoB + many more planes in the Med scenario?



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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 06:48 AM
Just keeping up the chatter!

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 10:38 AM
of course we want med....

much more countries involved than in bob or in pacific.... and of course, we already have most of the planes that were used in med....

can't wait to fly over desert, or crossing mediterranee from sicily to malta....

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 11:12 AM
Give me the "ARK ROYAL"!!!!
Give me a torpedo bomber, SM 79!!!

Totally agree!

MED

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:32 PM
I hope we can also sink the Italian Fleet at Taranto in Swordfish /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:44 PM
Yes Looking Forward to the Med, but also the Pacific one day, after all the Pacific was not given as an option at the poll.
Most likely because it would have Won, and developer does not wish to go that way yet.
Good to see the Pacific Aircraft slowly starting to enter the game though.
The Med will be just as much fun though so nobody is going to lose.
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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:55 AM
Ixnay on the Acificpay Ontray!

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:17 AM
med is good


my vote here

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:31 AM
ya all the way,gooo MED

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 10:50 AM
I vote for Mediterran maps. it would be very very nice

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 11:05 AM
Fenna wrote:
- I hope we can also sink the Italian Fleet at Taranto
- in Swordfish /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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He he.......you are wellcome my friend!

MED would be great!

Ciao.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 11:38 AM
Actualy Guys,
While I am looking forward to the Med, it was a small and limited War in comparison to the Pacific.

The greatest Naval Battles in History where fought in the Pacific, and it was the largest Air Sea Power War ever fought in Human History.

A lot of people have Forgotton ( pardon the Pun) just how close America came to losing in the Pacific.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:15 PM
Artic_Wulf wrote:
- A lot of people have Forgotton ( pardon the Pun)
- just how close America came to losing in the
- Pacific.

With all due respect, the outcome of the Pacific War was determined at Midway. That was in 1942! Japan was on the defensive from that point forward and it was simply a question of how long it would take to focus America's industrial might against her.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 08:20 AM
You are totaly correct,
Bear in mind the Americans where out numbered at Midway, and only a few of their aircraft, actualy got through to attack the Japanese fleet carriers.
Lady Luck played its part because these few planes only had to hit the carriers a couple of times because, the Japanese where loading their aircraft with bombs to attack Midway a second time.
When the Japs found out American carriers where in the area, they ordered change to torpedoes, and those bombs originaly loaded where never returned to the Amoury.
There was no time!
So all of those Bombs taken off the Jap planes where left in the upper decks, only a few American Aircraft had to hit with their Bombs on the Jap carriers, to start the chain reaction.
Those big Jap Fleet carriers could easily shake off the effect of only the few bombs dropped by those dive bombers.

Luck! went Americas way at Midway, the Japs not sending the ordinance back to the amoury, in the rush to change to torps, the Dauntless dive bombers arriving high over the Jap carriers while the Avenger torpedoe bombers where bieng slaughtered at low altitude, by the Zeros.

Lucky the Jap task Force commander did not order the Aircraft already armed with Bombs to only change targets from Midway to the American Carriers instead of changing ordinance.

With 4 Jap fleet Carriers and only 3 American Carriers, 1 of which was still damaged from the Battle of the Coral Sea. The Americans came close to losing in the Pacific indeed.
They where out numbered in Ships, Aircraft
and numbers of seasoned Combat Pilots, at Midway.

ALL of the Luck went their way however, and the Sword and Pride of Japan was broken as a result.

Due respect in return!



Message Edited on 07/01/0307:33AM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 12:04 PM
Artic,

nothing against Pacific. I really hope in the next future in a Pacific sim; first of all Midway. It wuold be a dream.

But now MED is better: never simulated, never!

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 09:26 PM
Luck... the US were lucky they intercepted the radio message from a cruiser to RADM Nagumo "we will be unable to accompany on the campaign" it`s how it all started.

lucky the Arashi, left behind to deal with USS Nautilus, was speeding away to the main force, when Wade McClusky saw it.

lucky RADM Nagumo chose to wait and lash out a full strike at the US ships, instead of sending 36 Vals with almost no escort.

lucky, the jap scout saw first 5 destroyers and five cruisers, without a carrier.

lucky the AA gunners were looking out for more torpedo planes, not looking above.

but it would be all over if the pilots from the torpedo squadrons did not sacrifice their lives, forcing the Jap carriers into turning, splitting from their box formation





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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 10:30 PM
All the more reason to go with the Med! That string of American luck would cause certain Luftwhiners (present company excluded) to go into apoplectic fits (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Spare the life of a Luftwhiner! To the Med!

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 06:21 AM
BUMP!!!!

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 06:26 AM
CAN U IMAGE ,its a must,

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 06:47 AM
A flight sim of IL2 quality in the pacific is unrealistic. I dont think the hardware we have today could model 30-40 planes all lined up on a carrier deck, engines running-especially the way they are modeled in IL2. Yeah and I want to see the Mosquito modeled for the Med.

In a partially related statement, can anyone tell me if the greeks ever flew against germany. Was there even a greek air force at that time?

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:08 AM
Yosumi wrote:
- In a partially related statement, can anyone tell me
- if the greeks ever flew against germany. Was there
- even a greek air force at that time?

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The Greek Air Forces commenced fighting in WWII on 28 October 1940 when the Italians invaded Greece. They managed to hold the Italian forces, and it was not until the Germans intervened and invaded Greece on 6 April 1941 that the stalemate was broken. Although assisted by British, Australian and New Zealand forces, and maintaining high levels of skill and morale, the Greek forces were defeated by 26 April 1941. Elements of the Air Forces escaped to Egypt where they were reorganised, with RAF assistance, into the Royal Hellenic Air Force. They operated one squadron each of fighter and bomber aircraft throughout the remainder of WWII. RAF personnel were provided for the bomber squadron as required.

Fighter Aircraft

Avia B.534-III* (6)
Bloch MB.151* (9)
Gloster Gladiator* Mk I (19)
Mk II (about 6)
Hawker Hurricane Mk I* (30+)
Mk II (19+)
Panstwowe Zaklady Lotnicze PZL P24F* (30)
P.24G (6)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk Vb and c* (?)


Bomber, Ground Attack and Torpedo Aircraft Bregeut Bre.19 B.2* (30)
Bristol Blenheim Mk I* (2)
Mk IV* (12) (and 13 Sq Hellenic Airforce)
Fairey Battle* (12)
Hawker Horsley Mk II* (6)
Henshel Hs 126A-1* (16)
Martin Baltimore Mk V* (13 Sq Hellenic Airforce) (29)
Potez 633 B2* (11)



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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:17 AM
Thank you, Galway!

What other sim has dared to recreate those match-ups!

BRING ON THE MED!

Ah, to recreate Hans-Joachim pouncing P-40's in a Lufberry circle!

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:48 AM
were would forgotten battles be with out LUFTWAFFE ?

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:21 AM
Med all the way!

But only if they can graphically render adequately the area. Have you ever been to Crete? Or Sicily? If so, you know what I mean..

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 11:17 AM
meds the one i would like to see a much greater array of planes and terrian, spitfires also.

Also New Zealand forces were heavly involved in the area, sicily a big one, also i belive a NZ unit did more sorties than any other, this is on the ground tho so dosnt hold much relevance for this thread :P.

Med far more interesting.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 01:50 PM
Yes, med theater would be a very good choice !!

BUT, not agreeing that US nearly lost war in the pacific. Midway was a lucky victory, sure. But industry, weapons and training effectiveness were far more important to victory than a single battle.

Just compare the numbers of ships or planes put in service by each side in 44. A disaster at midway perhaps would have delayed the US victory for one year, two at most. But the numbers in the end would have given the same result...

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 08:42 AM
Well this thread really wasnt meant for what if Scenarios, so I deleted it.



Message Edited on 07/03/0309:09AM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 02:05 PM
tsss

i did fight over pacific with aces of the pacific

i did fight again over the pacific with 1942 pacific air war

i did fight once more over the pacific with european air war pacific mod

i didn't fight with CFS2, but some of us did... fighting over the pacific...


Mediterranee... please, something new, with lots of interesting planes, lots of nations, new wonderful landscapes, and english carriers...

really, i think i did fly over every single atoll of south and north pacific... i have crashed in every single palmtree modelled in this TOE...

save pacific palmtrees, send me over north africa...

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 02:37 PM
I'm from Mediteran, Croatia. (Part of Ex Yugoslavia, and most of their coast.).

I can only invite Oleg and team to make hollidays in my home on Adriatic coast to
see how beautifull it will be to do it for IL-2. I dont know much about air battles here,
on ground wos hell, but hundered Croatian (and Greeks..) islands will be unforgetablle
scenario for IL-2.


I wish to thanks Oleg and whole team for meaking IL-2.

You have support from my hart for enormes exalted work you have done.

All bugs are so little in compare to IL-2 that I have to make my critics
to all people that have 'just for fun critics and complains' on IL-2.

I hope your entusiastic work will never stop. And things that makes you go on.

Spasiva Thanks Hvala

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:25 PM
As PE is from all over ex-Yugoslavia, I can have one opinion only--it's got to be the Med and include Yugoslavia too.
Just to remind everybody Yugoslavia saw several phases of air operations beginning in April 1941 and ending in May 1945, with airforces of Yugoslavia (first Royal, than partisan), Italy, Germany, Croatian puppet state, USAAF and VVS taking part. Planes used varied from French obsolete types (like Breguet 19) to U.S. B-24s in Ploesti raids and their Mustang/Lightning escort, as well as Yaks, Sturmoviks, and assorted Bfs, FWs, Spits, Hurris, Heinkels, Dorniers, domestic Yugoslav types etc. etc.
As for the terrain, you have coastline with hundreds of islands, high mountains, woods, plains, large rivers, cities--all kinds of stuff. As for other theatres/maps, I'd definitely choose Sicily/Malta/Tunisia, rest of Italy, Ginraltar and Algeria, and Krete plus Greek islands.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:31 PM
Give me a sandgelb Ju-87 Stuka! and give us: Malta, Crete, allied Destroyers, cariers(Ark Royal)naval Convoy's, dessert-rat collone's, Beau's, P-51B, P-38, Sparviero's,Fiat Falco and Macchi's!

and I will shut up.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 04:50 PM
The Med is definitely more interesting than the Pacific.

The Pacific gets USN, Australian, and Japanese airforces, carriers, and warships, and lots of sea and islands and palmtrees.

The Med gets RAF, FAA, Luftwaffe, Italian, USAAF and USN airforces, carriers, warships, tanks and other ground forces, sea, desert, islands, cities, and it has never been done before!



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:25 PM
PE_Tigar wrote:
- Just to remind everybody Yugoslavia saw several
- phases of air operations beginning in April 1941 and
- ending in May 1945...

I certainly think the fact that the Yugoslav map would be usuable for two periods of the war would increase its value to the game. I certainly want to see it!

Tigar, maybe some of your guys could help with the topographical mapping of an Il-2/FB-sized map?

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07-03-2003, 08:08 PM
Oleg, give me a virtual Crete (only the most spectacularly beautiful place in the world for those who've never really been around it) and I'll treat you with the best holidays of your life!

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 10:47 PM
Philipscdrw wrote:
- The Med is definitely more interesting than the
- Pacific.
-
- The Pacific gets USN, Australian, and Japanese
- airforces,
- carriers, and warships, and lots of sea
- and islands and palmtrees.

Depends on what you call the Pacific. If you mean
the island-hopping war, then yes.

If you mean the series of engagements in the war
against Japan then you get the RAF, and also India,
Burma, China, New Guinea, Manchuria, and all points
in between!

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07-03-2003, 11:45 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:50 AM
bump!!!

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:22 AM
I don't think this thread is usefull. Maddox allready started working on a new map.
So, let's just wait and see when Oleg tells us which one he choose (and probably his choice was influenced by the results of the poll AND what the distributor wanted him to make).

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 01:24 PM
this thread is useful, as it allows all players interested by this TOE to see that not only they are not alone, but that they can hope having the possibility to fly over mediterrannee someday in this wonderful sim...

it is at least as useful as the threads that ask for pacific and western theatres...

this is our way of telling Oleg that if he already planned to release something related to mediterranean war it is to be much appreciated, and if he haven't already planned it, it should be worth consider it....


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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:37 PM
If you can explain what exactly needs to be done to get the ex-Yu map in FB we'll most likely be able to help http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif What exactly do you mean--making a new map for FB or adapting the existing one?

Cossack13 wrote:

- Tigar, maybe some of your guys could help with the
- topographical mapping of an Il-2/FB-sized map?
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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 05:49 PM
I was thinking along the lines of a new map. Your squad probably has the best ideas as to what area such a map of Yugoslavia should cover, particularly in regards to determining which areas saw the most aerial combat.

Beyond that, I don't think anyone outside of 1C:Maddox could actually start modelling the map, but having electronic versions of the topographic maps, period aerial photographs, etc. would be quite useful (I'd imagine).

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07-05-2003, 08:54 PM
bump

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 05:28 AM
Serval_EAF310 wrote:
- I don't think this thread is usefull.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:42 AM
There are two areas in which the most of air combat took place--the first one would be Belgrade amd Voivodina region all the way to what is now Croatian border on Danube. This was the site of major fighting in 1941 and later in late 1944-1945. The second one would be Bosnia and Croatian coast, where there was a lot of activity on all sides through 1942, 1943 and 1944. We could gain access to the Aviation Museum in Belgrade which is likely to have the topograpohic maps and aerial photography of these areas, and we would certainly be more than happy to help.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 01:39 PM
yes, the Med front!

i want to see Hans Joachim Marseille in action and Spits with air filters (looks beautiful)/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 04:05 AM
I totally agree, the mediterranean would be a great theater to set the next addon in. Personally, I would very much like to see action over Crete, Malta, North Africa, etc.

The Pacific and Western Theaters would also make fine additions to the game, granted, however, that they have been done extensivly in this genre (though I would not neccessarily say that this diminishes their level of fun!).However I still believe that the Mediterranean would be the most interesting at this point in time.

In the future, I would envision an IL-2 that spans all theaters of WWII, thus forever cementing its already valid claim at being the ultimate WWII flight simulator in the world.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 05:57 AM
I must protest when people keep saying that the Pacific Theater has been extensively done. When? Where? There has been one Windows compatible Pacific flight sim, Combat Flight Simulator 2, and it was released in 2000. That's it. 1. One. Une. Uno. And its three years old. The only other Pacific sims are all from the late 80s to mid 90s, and, while they may run great on a 486 with an SVGA graphics card, they hardly count. There was also one sim released for Windows that covered the Med, SDFSOE, in 1998 or 1999 (I forget). The Pacific Theatre is in just as much (if not more) need of a good sim as the Med.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 06:14 AM
Nimits, you have a valid point. I think I would also venture that no flight sim (which deals with either western front or pacific) has ever been done in the detail that we have come to expect from IL-2. In any case, both fronts are still very interecting in my opinion.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 10:55 AM
the next flight sim from oleg maddox should be the : ....
KOREAN WAR
KOREAN WAR
KOREAN WAR
KOREAN WAR
KOREAN WAR
KOREAN WAR
computers have come a long way since " MIG ALLY " came out

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 05:29 PM
We are including the previous games as well, not just those that have been done since 2000.

Compare them to the times that the Mediterranean has been done.

I've not doubt that Oleg will get to the Pacific at some point, but the Med and Southern Europe would include more of the current plane set, would appeal to the European market better, and is the best way to go from here!

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07-10-2003, 09:22 PM
ONE BIG BUMP!!

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 02:54 AM
Yeah, the Korean War.

So that virtually none of the current aircraft could transfer over.

In time, but first to the Med! Whoo-hoo!

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07-11-2003, 11:20 AM
I agree for one Mediterranean card because this fits better into the Chema for Forgotten Battles. We have most airplanes and it is a war scene that comprises both air battles and battles at the ground. Moreover, what we want with a Pacific Kampagne if we cannot land on aircraft carriers, (FB-Engine). Pazific is a subject for the next Sim, where all US and Japanese airplanes pure ability, without the European.

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07-11-2003, 11:55 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:39 PM
I vote battle of Holland/France/Belgium. Those are the REAL forgotten battles. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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07-12-2003, 05:58 PM
I would like to fly this forgotten fighters
from the MED theatre
Fairey Fulmar
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/fulmar_X8812_profile.jpg

PZL P-24
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Yugoslavian Rogozarski IK-3
http://www.kotfsc.com/warbirds/graphics/ik3-plate1.jpg


Italian I.M.A.M. Ro. 57
http://www.fido.sakhalin.ru/timurk/fighters/ro57.jpg

Italian Abrosini S.A.I.
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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 04:35 PM
Ignore those requests about the Pacific!

Southern Europe, the Med, and North Africa pretty please with sugar on top!

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 01:24 AM
bump

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 01:47 AM
If we get a North African scenario, please dont forget a South African pilot career. South Africans flew in almost all theatres of WW2 and with many airforces, but especially so as South African Airforce in North Africa.They were instrumental in driving the Italians out of Etiopia, and so forcing the opening of a third front for Germany.

There were quite a few aces, amongst the South Africans.Some of the most succesful of all alied pilots, most notable Adolf"Sailor"Malan.

They also flew later in the Korean war(P51's and F86's).

Anyway, seeing Marseille in the air would not be complete without some South African's for him to shoot at lol!

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 09:28 AM
Yes i am a bit of a Sailor Malan fan especialy because after the war he fought Apartheid! (Dutch word)

But He fought in the BoB, not the med N-African theather!

Don't get me wrong I am all for the Med!
My wife is from Kerkira (Corfu)
Italian food is my favorite.
And I am bored with the depressing wheather here in Holland, and will be more so fliying over the same dark and cold northsea in a flightsim!

Kees.

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 01:18 PM
Yes I know he didnt fly in North Africa, what I meant was that of all the SA pilots, who flew in many theatres, he was the most notable.

Apartheid is actually an Afrikaans word, closely related to Dutch.

These days everybody and his uncle "fought apartheid" and one time or another /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 07:08 AM
Ixnay on the Acificpay!

Geez, how many games have to be sacrificed on that altar!

Let's go where no one has gone before!

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08-01-2003, 02:25 AM
Cossack's sig "America: #1 military...#15 in literacy...
Because right wingers run our military
and leftists run our schools!"
LMAO I never saw that point before but it's so true. Good one dude.

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 06:22 AM
As vanElvis would say, "Thankya. Thankya very much!"

Some leftistwas using that stat as a put-down of the US and it dawned on me why there could exist such a disparity. Leftists louse up everything!

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:50 AM
Simpe; If it doesn't feauture the Luftwaffe Il2 will lose it's biggest audience!



Poll that was held long ago on IL2 comunity's most favorite air force: Winner by far: The Luftwaffe!

Poll winner by far for the most favorite theather for a follow upproduct: The Medeteranian N-African theather!



I hope Madox will keep listnening to the comunity's wishes!
(As they have done before and improved this product accordingly!)

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 10:56 AM
Flying_Merkava wrote:
- Cossack's sig "America: #1 military...#15 in
- literacy...
- Because right wingers run our military
- and leftists run our schools!"
- LMAO I never saw that point before but it's so true.
- Good one dude.


Hmm. isn't the most part of the illiterate ppl int he army run by the right wing ppl?


2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 04:23 PM
Actualy Guys,
Apparently Oleg is now accepting 3rd party Maps as well as third party aircraft, for FB.

Thats Awesome! potentialy FB will become even more versatile because the 3rd party maps would no doubt need to meet very strict standards set by 1C like the 3rd party aircraft that are modeled.

Have you noticed how more people are jumping onto the 3rd party modeling band wagon, now with maps as well.

And lets face it Oleg and team do not have un limited resources, however as the developer they can be the controlling gate way for new maps and planes entering the sim to ensure Quality is kept up, and that no cheat Mods enter the game.

It looks as though every theatre of the War will be mapped sooner or later.
The Fans with the know how and talent will Map the Pacific, or Med or Malta no doubt.

Notice how the aircraft are begining to appear in the Sim like the Zero and the P51, be on the look out for the maps following not too far behind.
Remember Ian boys made a post awhile back about an entire Online Russian Gaming community out there, about how there was heaps going on that will never be mentioned in these forums.
Im going to get a Russian Text translation program and start cruising Russian Forums myself.

Should be an interesting experience finding out what people are actualy doing instead of reading posts here from people about what should be done.

S!

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 05:21 PM
If they could sim ever theater of war, that would be simply outstanding.

Now, what about aircraft carriers . . .?

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 05:54 PM
Gershy wrote:
- Hmm. isn't the most part of the illiterate ppl int
- he army run by the right wing ppl?

I had a little trouble reading this post because of the bad English but the fact is that you cannot serve in the US Armed Forces if you are illiterate.

You can, however, work for the DNC. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:45 PM
Ouch . . . heheh

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 09:59 PM
Cossack13 wrote:
- Gershy wrote:
-- Hmm. isn't the most part of the illiterate ppl int
-- he army run by the right wing ppl?
-
- I had a little trouble reading this post because of
- the bad English but the fact is that you cannot
- serve in the US Armed Forces if you are illiterate.
-
- You can, however, work for the DNC.


OOOps just saw my mistakes myself but anyway:
Think you're funny right? Sorry for not being a native speaker. Seems like it's a crime to make mistakes when typing in english if you are not American, or what?

Anyway, i didn't really like your answer. I didn't offend you right? So why do you attack me? You could have informed me that the US forces are able to read.



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The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 11:26 PM
-- Gershy wrote:

- OOOps just saw my mistakes myself but anyway:
- Think you're funny right? Sorry for not being a
- native speaker. Seems like it's a crime to make
- mistakes when typing in english if you are not
- American, or what?
-
- Anyway, i didn't really like your answer. I didn't
- offend you right? So why do you attack me? You could
- have informed me that the US forces are able to
- read.


Don't pick a fight you can't win son, or, as in this case , have already lost. You can't slap a guy and not expect to get jumped on.

It is also bad form to blame others for one's own lack of information.(I am using the phrase "Lack of information" here as a euphimism for something else)

I'd let things like this go. The world is large enough for us all.

Having said that, are we not a tad off-topic already?

Any mods?

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 12:23 AM
Cirx wrote:
- Don't pick a fight you can't win son, or, as in this
- case , have already lost. You can't slap a guy and
- not expect to get jumped on.
-
- It is also bad form to blame others for one's own
- lack of information.(I am using the phrase "Lack of
- information" here as a euphimism for something else)
-
- I'd let things like this go. The world is large
- enough for us all.
-
- Having said that, are we not a tad off-topic
- already?
-
- Any mods?
-

well m8. I didn't blame him for my faults i blamed him for attacking me. btw i did not insult anyone as far as i remember all i did was to give a comment on the sig. i didn't say anything about the US military just about my opinion about right wing. but as we both know this leads to NOTHING. So lets go back to the topic.

Italy and Africa would be great Oleg

Message Edited on 08/02/0312:12AM by Gershy

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 06:20 AM
Gershy, Cossack didn't insult as far as I could tell. The post of yours he quoted above was written in bad English, in as much as it is extremely difficutly to understand what you were attempting to communicate.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 06:47 AM
Gershy wrote:
- Think you're funny right? Sorry for not being a
- native speaker. Seems like it's a crime to make
- mistakes when typing in english if you are not
- American, or what?

For the record, Gershy, I wasn't sure if English was your native language or not. Quite frankly, I've seen Americans use worse English in their posts.

- Anyway, i didn't really like your answer. I didn't
- offend you right? So why do you attack me? You could
- have informed me that the US forces are able to
- read.

Well, I'm glad that you recognize that suggesting that you should work for the DNC is an insult. Obviously, you are better educated that some of my left-leaning countrymen.

I'm a little shocked that you may have thought that US servicemen were illiterate! That's a falsehood that is spread among leftists in the US, that the only people who serve in the military are people who are too stupid to do anything else or can't find jobs any other way.

The US Armed Forces have very high standards. Believe it.

And sorry if I offended you because English isn't your first language. It's pretty much my only one and my hat is off to those who post here while stuggling with a foreign tongue!


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08-02-2003, 06:54 AM
Nimits:

Ok, here why I responded in the manner that I did. Looking at Gershy's post:

- Hmm. isn't the most part of the illiterate ppl int
- he army run by the right wing ppl?

To me, this was Gershy saying that most of the illiterate people in the army were run by right wing people.

I believed that to be insulting, in addition to being grossly inaccurate, to those serving in the US Armed Forces.

Anyway, Gershy's subsequent posts suggest that to be a less-than-accurate interpretation.

Enough about sig's, let's duke it out over Crete...or Tunisia...places where God intended us to fight! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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08-02-2003, 10:49 AM
Cossack13 wrote


- Enough about sig's, let's duke it out over
- Crete...or Tunisia...places where God intended us to
- fight!

lol

but there is something i'd like to add:

my sig!!!!!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 10:58 AM
Cossack13 wrote:
- Nimits:
-
- Ok, here why I responded in the manner that I did.
- Looking at Gershy's post:
-
-- Hmm. isn't the most part of the illiterate ppl int
-- he army run by the right wing ppl?
-
- To me, this was Gershy saying that most of the
- illiterate people in the army were run by right wing
- people.
-
-


OMG, now that you pointed that out I read my post again lol. Well to be honest, (now sober), this sentence was quite confusing indeed. i screwed it up a bit lol. Sorry guys.

As we are talking about the MED here.

Which part of the med would you prefer?

I'm not sure if i'd like to have a map with southern Italy and the cost of Tunesia. Too much water in between. I don't like the Finnish map because of all the water.

2 maps would be nice maybe: Italy with the Balcan
N Africa(Egypt up to Crete maybe)



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The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 04:06 PM
Gershy wrote:
-
- OMG, now that you pointed that out I read my post
- again lol. Well to be honest, (now sober), this
- sentence was quite confusing indeed. i screwed it up
- a bit lol. Sorry guys.

No big deal. Everyone does that now and then. Let's move on.

Now let's grab a pair of 110's and go hammer some British armor columns sneaking around the desert.

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08-02-2003, 04:55 PM
I mean that would be great: 110s, 109s, Spits, Jugs, Macchis, Stukas, Hurris, lots of tanks, taking of from a desert airfield, flying over the Sphinx, ground attacks in ElAlamein, fightercover over the harbour of Tunis, protecting a convoy to Malta, escorting Ju52 with paras over Crete,......

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 09:22 PM
Keep it up!

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:57 AM
*cough* pacific first, pearl harbor to the surrender of japan including japanese invasion of china and chinas fight against the japanese. AVG http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:07 AM
AaaaPacificchooo!

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:04 PM
hmmm....i don't understand what ppl want the pacific for. The majority of all WW2 flightsims so far were based on Americans and their theatres in WW2, so we get 1942 till 45 planes from Pearl to Normandy and back to Japan. Now we have a sim which focused on the East and NOT ONLY on the USAAF. If you want the pacific get some microsoft games, i know some'd like a pacific sim with FB FM and there'd surely be some nice battles to fly, but:

This is Forgotten Battles: So let's add something that was not added before. Med would be great simply because there were long and big battles but they were never modelled. btw the Americans were in NAfrica too and you could attack Sicily and stuff, so there will be something for everyone, not only for some Americans and some Japanese( little bit exagerated). I'd rather finish the eastern front and the rest of europe (BoB, med, usw) before making the pacific.

. This game was great not only because of the FM and such things but because we could fly planes we haven't heard about, planes and maps new to most of us. So let's not spoil that by getting something we don't need.


We get the Zero!!!! and we still don't have a Spitfire!!!!!! one of THE fighters in WW2!!!! isn't that strange???


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The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 04:38 AM
Gershy wrote:
- hmmm....i don't understand what ppl want the pacific
- for. The majority of all WW2 flightsims so far were
- based on Americans and their theatres in WW2, so we
- get 1942 till 45 planes from Pearl to Normandy and
- back to Japan. Now we have a sim which focused on
- the East and NOT ONLY on the USAAF. If you want the
- pacific get some microsoft games, i know some'd like
- a pacific sim with FB FM and there'd surely be some
- nice battles to fly, but:


With the exception of the Eastern Front, any flight sim that covers the period from 1942 on is going to be heavily featuring, even dominated by, USAAC/USAAF, USN, and/or USMC aircraft. Such is the fact of history

-
- This is Forgotten Battles: So let's add something
- that was not added before. Med would be great simply
- because there were long and big battles but they
- were never modelled. btw the Americans were in
- NAfrica too and you could attack Sicily and stuff,
- so there will be something for everyone, not only
- for some Americans and some Japanese( little bit
- exagerated). I'd rather finish the eastern front and
- the rest of europe (BoB, med, usw) before making the
- pacific.

The Med has already been covered in one modern sim, Fighting Squadron: Screamind Demons Over Europe, plus in excellent (read commercial release quality) add-ons for Combat Flight Simulator 2 and European Air War. (FYI, the Russian front was also well covered in both sims prior to and following the release of the original IL-2, and had also been included in the somewhat lackluster Luftwaffe Commander flight sim). Whether the Med has been done well and in sufficient detail is open for debate, but than neither has Combat Flight Simulator 2 done justice to the PTO. The Pacific would feature the RAF (plus Commonwealth), the RN, the Chinese, the USAF, the USN, the USMC, the IJN, and the IJA. The Eastern Front is finished (or nearly so), the Battles of Britain and France are probably too limited in scope and number and types of aircraft to warrant a full sequel, and the Western Front has definately been overdone. It is time for a change of pace from the never-ending monotony of Bf-109s and He-111s to more exciting A6Ms and G4Ms.

-
- . This game was great not only because of the FM and
- such things but because we could fly planes we
- haven't heard about, planes and maps new to most of
- us. So let's not spoil that by getting something we
- don't need.

The PTO is by and large a Forgotten Battle. As evidinced by posts on this forum. many people have forgotten already that World War II was fought in both hemispheres against the Japanese as well as the Germans and Russians. I bet half the people on this forum could not, excluding the Big 3 (Zero, Val, and Kate) name five Japanese aircraft, nor could more than a third find tell where Torokina airfield was without consulting a book. On the other hand, with the exception of some of the more exoctic Russian planes, very little in Il-2 is that new, and the German planes are simply a slightly more expanded version of the same plane set we have been getting for decades in the numerous Western Front and BoB sims. The thing is, we do need a good PTO sim (well, at least as much as we actually NEED any computer game), both because that theater has sadly lacked in coverage, and to do justice to a theater that did much to ultimately defeat the Axis but which recieves extremely little attention in modern histories or sims.

-
-
- We get the Zero!!!! and we still don't have a
- Spitfire!!!!!! one of THE fighters in WW2!!!! isn't
- that strange???

Well, considering that this was oringally a Eastern Front sim, yes. I guess that's what happens you farm out plane development. Of course, to my mind, the A6M Zero and F4U Corsair were just as much "THE FIGHTERS" of WW2 as the Spitfire (or Yak3 or BF-109 for that matter.)

XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 07:37 AM
Nimits wrote:
-
- ...in excellent (read commercial release quality) add-ons
- for Combat Flight Simulator ...

For saying excellent and CFS in the same sentence, Nimits comments can henceforth be ignored without comment.

To the Med!

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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 09:53 PM
bump

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:46 AM
Cossack13 wrote:
-
- Nimits wrote:
--
-- ...in excellent (read commercial release quality) add-ons
-- for Combat Flight Simulator ...
-
- For saying excellent and CFS in the same sentence,
- Nimits comments can henceforth be ignored without
- comment.
-
- To the Med!
-
-

Okay, you got me there . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Although, you do prove my point. CFS2 is all there is for either the Med (with the exception of FSSDOE), Russia (until Il-2 came along) or the Pacific. The Pacific is in need of good coverage as much, if not more so, than the Med, which in a way is simply another spin off of the ETO.

Of course, if we could have them all, that would be even better.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 07:01 AM
PTO a forgotten battle????? So you mean Pacific Air War and CFS2 (plus at least another game - name escapes me) were actually not about the PTO??


In my opinion the Med holds far more variety. In the PTO the Navy, the USMC and the US Army dominated and the Aussies and NZ's played a minor role. In the Med we have:

Regia Aeronautica
Luftwaffe (and not only Afrikakorps)
Desert Air Force
Vichy France
Free France
New Zealand
Royal Australian Air Force
USAAF
USN


IMO a lot more variety than in the PTO.

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08-05-2003, 07:31 AM
csThor wrote:
- Regia Aeronautica
- Luftwaffe (and not only Afrikakorps)
- Desert Air Force
- Vichy France
- Free France
- New Zealand
- Royal Australian Air Force
- USAAF
- USN

Hmmm-hmmm, and South African Air Force (SAAF)
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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:55 PM
Mediteranian!!!

BUMP

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:40 PM
If you want to play the Med, buy Screaming Demons: Fighter Squadron over Europe or Combat Flight Simulator 2 and download the Desert Air Force add-ons. They are as good or better quality than what PTO fans have in CFS2, whil Pacific Air War and Aces over the Pacific hardly count anymore, since they were designed to run on 386 systems with SVGA and VGA video cards! Most computers won't even run those two games even if you could stomach their atrocias (by today's standards) graphics and limited FMs.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:50 PM
We want the Med and Southern Europe in Il-2!

Business-wise, it would also be the better move for 1C:Maddox and Ubi as it would have a larger international appeal (see above posts for lists of nations involved).

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08-05-2003, 08:37 PM
Med bump



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08-05-2003, 11:47 PM
BUMP

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:48 PM
That is strange when triying to respond on page 6 of this post i get the (Horrible)headline: "Oleg please paccific first!"

Does some wizkid hacked this forum to try and get med bumps to the sadly small Paccific whiners?

Nice try but i'm not falling for that!
kees

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:55 PM
Flydutch wrote:
- That is strange when triying to respond on page 6 of
- this post i get the (Horrible)headline: "Oleg please
- paccific first!"

Good spotting, Flydutch. Someone simply changed the subject title during a reply.

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08-06-2003, 12:22 AM
You can edit your own thread titles.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 12:32 PM
Ok mustn't become a conspiracy theorist!

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 04:49 PM
I admit it. It was me.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 05:48 PM
Nimits wrote:
- I admit it. It was me.

We know.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:30 AM
Yeah your name is suspect!

Or was there a Nimitz bombed out in the Med?

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:31 AM
mediterranean pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssseeeeeeeee! !!

2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:51 PM
beautifull picture of the zerstoerer over sand were did you get it? Some where over Tobruk?

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:46 AM
Better put my 2 cents worth in while I'm here....
...Med ,Nth Africa & Southern Europe get my vote!



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:09 AM
God, I would love to see the Med, especially if some work was put into expanding the anti-shipping component of the game (i.e. complex damage models for ships and greater variety of targets and target behavior). I would pay for it in a heartbeat if it was 1940-45, included complex anti-shipping, field fortifications along front lines and maybe even aircraft carriers!

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 09:43 AM
Nimits wrote:
- The Med has already been covered in one modern sim,
- Fighting Squadron: Screamind Demons Over Europe,
- plus in excellent (read commercial release quality)
- add-ons for Combat Flight Simulator 2 and European
- Air War. (FYI, the Russian front was also well
- covered in both sims prior to and following the
- release of the original IL-2, and had also been
- included in the somewhat lackluster Luftwaffe
- Commander flight sim).

LC wasn't lacklustre - it was terrible!

Also CFS2 flight models are better than some, but
still seem a bit too lear jet for my liking.

Certainly the PTO is not a forgotten battle in
terms of the island-hopping campaign. It was been
done, and in detail, a number of times. The most
recent complete product being CFS2, with modellers
doing PTO aircraft for CFS3. Currently there is
a new flight sim, Target Rabaul, in open beta,
covering the PTO.

The coverage of the med in FS:SDOE is pretty sketchy
as released, due to the nature of the sim. I don't
think you can really count add ons or mods as coverage
without counting add ons for EAW that cover the Pacific,
for example. Or the Pacific add ons for FS:SDOE. There
is a desert add on for Janes WW2F - not sure about a
Pacific add on for that sim.

- Whether the Med has been done
- well and in sufficient detail is open for debate,
- but than neither has Combat Flight Simulator 2 done
- justice to the PTO. The Pacific would feature the
- RAF (plus Commonwealth), the RN, the Chinese, the
- USAF, the USN, the USMC, the IJN, and the IJA.

And Dutch and French. Covering the PTO in this detail
is certainly missing. It depends, a bit, on what
your definition of the PTO is as to whether these
would be included, though.

- The Eastern Front is finished

There are still a number of types used there that
are not flyable (e.g. Hs126, Ju88) or not even present
(Hs123, Spitfire, for example).

- (or nearly so), the
- Battles of Britain and France are probably too
- limited in scope and number and types of aircraft to
- warrant a full sequel,

France: Ms406, D520, DB7, Hawk75 (P36 export), Did any Bloch fighters or bombers take part?
Germany: 109E, 110, He111, Do17, Ju88, Ju87
UK: Fairey Battle, Hurricane I, Spitfire I, Defiant, Blenheim, Gladiator, Whitley, Wellington, Hampden, Skua, Roc.

- and the Western Front has definately been overdone.

It does given an extra 2 1/2 years of time coverage,
though.

- The PTO is by and large a Forgotten Battle. As
- evidinced by posts on this forum. many people have
- forgotten already that World War II was fought in
- both hemispheres

I'd consider them more to be two separate wars with
Japan and Germany having an arms-length alliance that
led to little actual direct mutual aid. The conflict
in the East had been going on before Poland was invaded,
and only escalated to bring in the Western Allies later.
In fact I'd say that they are only the same war really
from a Western perspective.

- Germans and Russians. I bet half the people on this
- forum could not, excluding the Big 3 (Zero, Val, and
- Kate) name five Japanese aircraft, nor could more
- than a third find tell where Torokina airfield was
- without consulting a book.

I think the same would go for Amiens or Biggin Hill!


- Well, considering that this was oringally a Eastern
- Front sim, yes. I guess that's what happens you farm
- out plane development. Of course, to my mind, the
- A6M Zero and F4U Corsair were just as much "THE
- FIGHTERS" of WW2 as the Spitfire (or Yak3 or BF-109
- for that matter.)

The Spitfire was in the PTO anyway.


But then I don't understand all the brou-ha-ha. Oleg
has announced the next sim will cover all theatres. I
can't see us getting the MTO or PTO until then, and likely
we will get both.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 11:34 AM
Med Please...
Thanks...

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 11:57 PM
Just wanna get on top of the bloody Aztec!

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 09:50 PM
Just wanna remove any mention of the over-done Pacific from the Subject Title! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 01:02 AM
Were there any cossacks in the Med?
Yugoslav maybe?

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 03:23 AM
i don't know if there were cossacks in med... but bump anyway /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 07:34 AM
bump

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 11:40 PM
brookt wrote:
- bump
-
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I 2nd that! *bump*

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 11:19 AM
I hoped that the Cosack him self would answer that.

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:17 AM
Oops...so much going on here this slipped to the 3rd page.

back to the top

..and do'nt those palm trees look nice!

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:29 AM
did i see palm trees as a update ..were would they be .hmmmmmm


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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:48 AM
I don't care where the next scenario takes place. Put it on the moon for all I care. All I ask for is that it include LANCASTERS!!!

There must be Lancasters! Moon based Lancasters, who cares, just please, please include this lovely four Merlined machine.

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 03:22 AM
Too bad Luthier seems to prefer the Japane A/C (Ki-84). He is one of the main guys doing the map objects, so I guess we are unfortunately getting yet another Pacific sim............

Where is the Med & North Africa ??

Do217P

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:45 PM
Flydutch wrote:
- Were there any cossacks in the Med?

I don't think anyone's ever found a way to keep the Cossacks out of anyplace they really wanted to go!

- Yugoslav maybe?

Hmmmm, could be. Got any slivovica?



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08-15-2003, 03:00 PM
I'm sorry i don't drink, don't smoke don't eat meat but i do fly (If the problems in the new patch are solved!)

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 07:35 PM
Flydutch wrote:
- I'm sorry i don't drink, don't smoke don't eat meat...

Are you sure that you're alive? I'm mean really sure?

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08-16-2003, 12:34 PM
Don't forget the Stuka they sure kicked *** in the Med, It is amazing what they achieved against allied Convoy and Navy, several times the Allied navy had a large no go zone because of the danger of beeing attacked by these "Obsolete" Divebombers!

The Med was a Paradise Anti-Shipping theater for the Stuka, SIA Sm79 'Sparvierro' and it's counterpart the Beaufighter.
(Both are under development as thirdparty a/c)
The North African dessert was excellent theater for gound attack against vehicles, the huge sand dust clouds (Featured in V1.1.b) betrayed their presence, and the dessert gave little shelter to groundtroops!

Again I state that the develloped Channel Bunkers are their to be featured in a 'special map' to me i understand that this implies, that this map will be a 'extra map' to the Existing FB maps, to keep the BoB whiners happy. as probaly their will be a special map also to keep the paccific whiners, who are getting some birds to play with already, Happy and hanging on for more.
Now for us Med MTO Whiners wich are the largest and longest waiting part of the comunity, Their will be more then just a Special map I hope! .... A follow up product to FB that will feature the Poll elected Theater: MTO, N-African theater!

regards,
Kees.

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 01:38 PM
Only one problem FlyDutch, hope the uber ship AA in FB is not carried over to the new game/sim./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 07:02 PM
Palm trees! Hmmm, and with no beaches in sight. Ahhhhhh!

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08-19-2003, 02:57 AM
Flydutch wrote:
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- Now for us Med MTO Whiners wich are the largest and
- longest waiting part of the comunity, Their will be
- more then just a Special map I hope! .... A follow
- up product to FB that will feature the Poll elected
- Theater: MTO, N-African theater!
-
- regards,
- Kees.
-
-

I am hoping for the Med, but I do not consider myself a whiner, whinger, or complainer. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The poll which Ubi ran last year gives some legitimacy to the request for the Med Theater. Still, I understand that was the result of an UbiSoft, informal, non-binding poll; neither 1C:Maddox, nor the publisher may choose to go in that direction, perhaps.

I do not think the poll got into the exact region of the Med which would be represented. A representative map from each of several different regions of the Mediterranean would be nice. Maybe it is time for a more specific poll concentrating on the Med regions! Compared to the famous BoB, Northern France, "Market Garden", and the "Battle of the Bulge", the battles for the Med. really are "forgotten".

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08-19-2003, 01:19 PM
I agree much

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 11:48 PM
YEP,
It has to be the Med. you have all theatres of combat
land, sea and air. Taranto would be good, Crete Evac. Sicily
Alamein, Op. Pedestal challenging,
The aircraft types are so varied, It was where the British first started to turn the tide against the Axis.
Do it, Oleg. Please

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 07:05 PM
Poehiiiy, just been back from explaining again to a uninitiated person "why the Med first!"

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 06:47 AM
With all the problems i am expieriencing since the instal of the new patch, i removed FB from my PC!

I got a better Idea: Let's forget Forgotten Battles,
Let's start develloping a new sim!

It will be situated in the Med North African theather,

It will make the Italians, Germans, Croat, Yugoslavian, Rumanian, Greek, Maltese/Comonwealth (UK (they devently need some sun), Australia,New Zealand, Canada etc) Unitedstates, Brazillian and even the French Audience Happy!
(and me as a pale Dutchman)

There will be no Bias,
and no flame wars,
But Sun and lots of Fun.

A/c will have correct FM as been still experimented with in FB.

There will be a alphabettic coded map and ground ontrollers (Just like Janes WWII fighters already had)


and the Anti- shipping will get some serious atention, and the posibility for decklandings on carriers will be develloped (As a follow up product featuring the paccific might be next, I said might be!)

But with all the devellopments of the Italian a/c the Beaufighter, the Gladiator, the dessert maps I am pretty sure this already is been planned and worked on by some mercenary team hired by Oleg!

Regards,
Kees.

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 07:04 AM
Cossack can anyone be sure he is?