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Blutarski2004
06-02-2007, 07:24 PM
Tali-Ihantala 1944 is a film directed by Åke Lindman, based on the Battle of Tali-Ihantala. The filming began during the summer of 2006 and is scheduled for screening in the fall of 2007. Åke Lindman himself hopes the film can be as real as possible, and only include facts. He also wants Finns to remember the sacrifices the soldiers made in those battles.

The film got €350 000 production support from the Finnish Film Foundation. The organization created to raise money for the movie is led by Admiral Jan Klenberg and is protected by the former Finnish President Mauno Koivisto.

The movie uses a wide array of genuine wartime vehicles, and when not possible, replicas are used. One interesting feature is the use of a Focke-Wulf Fw 190 replica, made by the German company Flug Werk.[1] During the shooting of the movie, the aircraft was marked similarly as Oberst Erich Rudorffer's aircraft in 1944.

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Go here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tali-Ihantala_1944

Apparently, Flug-Werke has posted photos of their FW190 in its Rudorffer paint scheme.


The Finns know how to do things right.

Hkuusela
06-03-2007, 04:33 AM
Rudorffer was apparently fighting in Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey. Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey was sent to Finland after the Russian major assault started in june 1944 and Marshal Mannerheim was forced to seek help from Germany. Kuhlmey and his detachment were a tremendous help for the Finns. It has been argued that it would have been impossible to stop the Russian assault without the detachment. With the detachment and the Me-109G6 fighters flown by Finnish pilots (the fighters were transfered from Germany in such a haste that there wasn't even time to paint Finnish insignia on them) it was possible to dispute Russian air superiority.

What struck the Finns about Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey was the commander's and pilots' absolute professionalism and the death defying way of carrying out their missions. They immediately earned the respect of the Finnish aviators.

During it's stay in Immola, Finland Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey destroyed 151 enemy planes and ca 200 panzers. Together with the Finnish artillery they helped to keep the bridges at Tali cut thus denying Russians reinforcements at the crucial moments of the battle. During those days the Finnish radio intelligence captured a Russian radio message that said: "Our attack has come to a halt. We are facing hundreds of a/c and appalling artillery fire".

With respect to the Russian fighters, I think the Finns owe their gratitude to Rudorffer and his comrades.

HotelBushranger
06-03-2007, 04:57 AM
I'll have to see about this one, no doubt it won't appear in Australia but I'll try and get a copy somehow http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers for the heads up

Aimosika
06-03-2007, 05:46 AM
Well actually it was Finnish artillery with concentrated fire of 15 artillery battalion and radio intellegency who saved Finland. Kuhlmey was a great help ofcourse. And it was President Ryti who asked for help from Germany. And those Bf109G6 fighters were bought from Germany because we were not strict allies of Germany and no Finnish pilot flew under German insignia except for transferflight from Germany. But we had the same Russian enemy. Also Finnish airforce bombed much more in that area than Gruppe Kuhlmey.

Hkuusela
06-03-2007, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Aimosika:
Well actually it was Finnish artillery with concentrated fire of 15 artillery battalion and radio intellegency who saved Finland. Kuhlmey was a great help ofcourse. And it was President Ryti who asked for help from Germany. And those Bf109G6 fighters were bought from Germany because we were not strict allies of Germany and no Finnish pilot flew under German insignia except for transferflight from Germany. But we had the same Russian enemy. Also Finnish airforce bombed much more in that area than Gruppe Kuhlmey.
Well, don't wanna enter a pissing contest here, but detachment Kuhlmey came to Finland after a request by Mannerheim to Erfurth (source, Mannerheim's memoirs). Ryti made another request later at the end of June when he also promised the Germans not to make peace with Soviet Union, but that was completely another dealing. What you said about the artillery is true, but then again, I never said anything to contradict that. In Hasse Wind's biography (Böje Sjögren) there is a picture of Wind taking off from Lappeenranta in a Me-109G6 with German insignia, with a caption that tells about the great rush to get the planes to the front, so he flew in a fighter with German insignia. I don't think it's a big deal, but since it happened, I don't see why it should be kept a secret. So at least I would like to know your sources.

Then you're saying that the Finnish airforce bombed more than detachment Kuhlmey. Well, it's not a revelation, when we are talking about one detachment and the whole bomber force of the FAF. Still detachment Kuhlmey dropped 474 tonns of bombs in less than a month...

I don't know what you mean when you say, that we weren't strict allies with Germany. Sure we didn't have a written pact with Germany, but we had joint plans and we fought with German help (troops, artillery, dive bombers, food...) so I'd say we were pretty much allied.

I'm not saying, that detachment Kuhlmey stopped the Russian assault by them selves. As you said, they were of great help. But it is the way they carried out their mission in a foreign country, that deserves our respect and gratitude, not belittleing. And you can just imagine what those 200 destroyed panzers would have done to the struggling Finnish defence...

Vipez-
06-03-2007, 09:16 PM
Lovely http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

http://www.flugwerk.com/fotos/061228/rudorrffer/ru4.jpg


http://www.flugwerk.com/fotos/061228/rudorrffer/ru2.jpg


http://www.finnkino.fi/files/moviegallery/1505/852a9021be.jpg


http://www.finnkino.fi/files/moviegallery/1505/572c46411f.jpg



I'm really looking forward for this one. And what's the best part is I hear there is not going to be any flimsy love storys here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HotelBushranger
06-03-2007, 10:35 PM
Looks good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And hurray for no love stories!

leitmotiv
06-03-2007, 10:40 PM
Looks good. Winter War was a remarkable film. Hard-edged, devoid of self-pity. A model film about war.

HotelBushranger
06-03-2007, 10:44 PM
I got Talvisota for my birthday last year, but sadly it was on 2 DVD's and the second one didn't have any subtitles :| So been trying to get that fixed.

Edit: Just talked to dad, he got hold of a complete copy with subtitles, hurray! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hkuusela
06-04-2007, 05:49 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Looks good. Winter War was a remarkable film. Hard-edged, devoid of self-pity. A model film about war. I'd have to say it is a pretty good film, given the resources. A friend of mine criticized the movie because it's mainly just fighting back and forth. Russians attacking, Finns defending, Finns counter attacking, Russians defending... "Well, dude, that's how it was at River Taipale those days".

What I like especially, is the grim, dry humor of the script. There's this scene where the guys receive packages from home in their bunker. One guy, called Arvi, doesn't get any and he wonders why. "You're such a bad person" answers another guy, Martti. Arvi doesn't even try to dispute, he just replies: "They don't know it back home", to which Martti replies "the word might have spread".

There's another scene where the Finns try to keep the Russians away from a bunker that has just been retaken with heavy casualties. Before leaving two men on guard, the platoon leader urges them not to let the Russians back into the bunker. "And how are we supposed to do that" asks one of the men? The platoon leader looks at him a bit angry and says: "Try to figure it out. You could try and shoot at them for example"!

I didn't even know there was a 2DVD-release. That's the 5 hour version? I only have the 3 hour version.

Ok, sorry for hijacking...

mrsiCkstar
06-04-2007, 06:25 AM
I always loved Talvisota... eventhough I've only seen it once so far. It's a great movie.

I didn't know about this one and now I'm looking forward to it a lot. Thanks!

leitmotiv
06-04-2007, 07:05 AM
3 Hour? 5 Hour? We have been cheated here in the U.S. We can only get a 2 hour version here. Please give me a link to where I can get the 5 hour DVD! For a long time all we could get was a terrible, blurred VHS copy (probably a bootleg) for which we had to pay quite a bit.

Kurfurst__
06-04-2007, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by Hkuusela:
What I like especially, is the grim, dry humor of the script. There's this scene where the guys receive packages from home in their bunker. One guy, called Arvi, doesn't get any and he wonders why. "You're such a bad person" answers another guy, Martti. Arvi doesn't even try to dispute, he just replies: "They don't know it back home", to which Martti replies "the word might have spread".

Looking forward to that movie. I haven't seen Winter War, in fact did not even heard about it, but it sounds like it's the Finnish Stalingrad..?

Speaking of grim humor, I sitll have some classics from Tobak's book. He was a fighter pilot of the 101st here during the war. IIRC they were pulling back from advancing Russians and relocating to a more westerly airfield, the pilots being transported by a civillian bus which already seen it's share of the war - a bomb had exploded nearby. Somehow it survived, but it had no bottomplate at all, so they could see the road under their butts. An odd view it must have been. So, while on the road they met some Waffen SS guys, not so keenly digging in an AT tank gun near the road, obviously into an ambush position to slow down the russians and cover the retreat of others.. for a while. They engaged in some talk with the pilots, and it ends with Tobak, who knows some German, is saying farwell :
'Widersehen!' (See you later).
And the W-SS guy's reply I : 'Jawohl, vielleicht in ein Massengrab!' (Yeah, perhaps in a mass grave!).

Hkuusela
06-04-2007, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
3 Hour? 5 Hour? We have been cheated here in the U.S. We can only get a 2 hour version here. Please give me a link to where I can get the 5 hour DVD! For a long time all we could get was a terrible, blurred VHS copy (probably a bootleg) for which we had to pay quite a bit. The five hour version has probably never been released as a movie. Talvisota was shown on Finnish tv as a five hour mini series. The Finnish movie version is 191 minutes. They've probably cut some of the stuff in the beginning before the actual fighting for the American release. I just thought since it was a double DVD release it might have been the whole five hours. Maybe some day...

Hkuusela
06-04-2007, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Looking forward to that movie. I haven't seen Winter War, in fact did not even heard about it, but it sounds like it's the Finnish Stalingrad..?
A bit like that, yes. It is a story of an infantry platoon fighting on the Carelian Isthmus at River Taipale, where the Finnish positions were held thoughout the war and at Vuosalmi-Äyräpää a bit further to the west. The main character is private Martti Hakala, who's brother is killed by a direct hit from a mortar shell. Just like in Stalingrad, the defenders grew fewer and fewer. So much so, that in the end there's only two men left of the platoon. When the other one goes to look for some food (the service personel had been fighting for some time at that point, so no food was brought to the front) and comes back empty handed, Hakala says to him: "The good thing about it is, that if there is no food, there's really not that many eaters either". I suppose the movie is about the soldiers and the terrible circumstances in which they fought against the odds.

leitmotiv
06-04-2007, 11:03 AM
Would be interesting if someday a film were to be made about the Finnish fighter pilots.

Hkuusela
06-04-2007, 02:57 PM
There's not enough cash in the whole country to make such a movie. Plus there are no Brewster fighters, which nearly all of the top scorers flew at the beginning of the war. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Well, I guess they can do almost anything with computers... But still a movie like that would need foreign financing and that would require international interest in the subject. A remote theater of war with it's aces doesn't qualify.

Both the top scoring aces would be suitable for a film though. Hans Henrik Wind and Ilmari Juutilainen. The latter shot down 94 enemy planes and never got a hole in his own plane from fire from enemy fighters. Wind was shot down in June 1944 when engaging 27 P-39's and JaK9's with his wingman on a reconnaissance flight.

Vipez-
10-28-2007, 03:26 PM
I felt like it was time to bumb this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

First teaser. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPiaYpqPwvo)

StG77_Stuka
10-28-2007, 03:51 PM
I've had "Winter War" on my wish list for some time, but it's still $45 here in US through amazon.com. I have Netflix but they don't carry it. Guess I'll be waiting a long time to see Tali-Ihantala 1944 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Airmail109
10-28-2007, 05:06 PM
You dont need much cash to shoot a good war film unless you intend to be using loads of high tech CGI and special effects and big actors

All you need is a good director, a few decent actors, good camera work and a load of reinactors who will most likely take part for free

Doolittle81
10-28-2007, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
... Åke Lindman himself hopes the film can be as real as possible, and only include facts....
The movie uses a wide array of genuine wartime vehicles, and when not possible, replicas are used. One interesting feature is the use of a Focke-Wulf Fw 190 replica, made by the German company Flug Werk...

In the pics of the FW190 in the sixth post in this thread, it has no Hakenkreuz....so how historically accurate is the movie realy going to be...

HuninMunin
10-28-2007, 10:09 PM
That's because these pics were probably taken in Germany, where it is concidered extremly "uncool" to fly around with Swastikas on planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

polak5
10-29-2007, 01:30 AM
speaking of ww2 movies and findland I recently saw fire and Ice, which was a really good movie/documentary. This upcoming flick sounds good aswell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

cawimmer430
10-29-2007, 05:56 AM
Erich Rudorffer is apparently still alive, according to Wikipedia. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Rudorffer


Anyone know the name of that Japanese World War II movie that deals with young Kamikaze pilots? I think it starts with an "O" but I can't find it online or on IMDB...

HotelBushranger
10-29-2007, 07:40 AM
For those we love?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MAaLP6Eu19s

What I meant by 2 parts, I got a copy of it that was simply cut in two, I didn't mean 2 DVDs or anything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I wouldn't mind seeing Fire and Ice either, for a behind the scenes look:
http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/FireAndIce.asp