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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 02:54 PM
Very nice to finally be able to make one without turning into a heap of scrap metal on the runway or bouncing up 10 meters. Even tho it wasnt common practice to land in this manner it did happen occationally. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 02:54 PM
Very nice to finally be able to make one without turning into a heap of scrap metal on the runway or bouncing up 10 meters. Even tho it wasnt common practice to land in this manner it did happen occationally. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:03 PM
I've read a lot that you are supposed to land three point in a tail dragger. I've never been good at doing this however until I started flying the P-39. I know that sounds strange, but when you watch the training films @ Zeno's it says to land nose high so you slow down faster, then keep the nose wheel of the tarmac for as long as possible. After I got good @ this I tried to do 3 point w/ other planes and found it difficult and dangerous. I'll have to give it a go now.



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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:05 PM
Never had a problem pre-patch doing 3-pointers??

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:10 PM
ELEM wrote:
- Never had a problem pre-patch doing 3-pointers??
-
- I'd never join a club that would have ME as a
- member!!.

Specially the 109 stalled way to early prepatch...maybe it was possible...but its much easier now it seems. The bounce isnt as hard now... At leats thats my impression.



Message Edited on 08/13/0302:11PM by Olli_72

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:23 PM
georgeo76 wrote:
- I've read a lot that you are supposed to land three
- point in a tail dragger. I've never been good at
- doing this however until I started flying the P-39.
- I know that sounds strange, but when you watch the
- training films @ Zeno's it says to land nose high so
- you slow down faster, then keep the nose wheel of
- the tarmac for as long as possible. After I got good
- @ this I tried to do 3 point w/ other planes and
- found it difficult and dangerous. I'll have to give
- it a go now.


I've never flown a tail-dragger, but have been told that a 3 point is desired, and a bit difficult. I fly a piper (I am a student, not an expert) Cherokee (how appropriate), and in the game I love the P39 because of the tricycle gear; It's like a Piper on steroids. I flare, back wheels touch, then I let the front one 'sink' down as the plane slows.

I can see what you are saying, about landing this way in a tail dragger, and it makes perfect sense to do a 3 point this way. It shouldn't be that much different, except that touchdown will (should) be on three points, and will happen when the plane is much lower, and closer to the runway. Thanks, mate. I'll give it a try now. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:40 PM
Just let me clearify that you should always land "nose up" attitude or to "flare out" the plane to reduce speed...that doesnt automaticly mean you make a 3 point...ive seen a number of old journal films where they land and i dont ever recall seeing anyone making a 3 point landing.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:40 PM
The Flare, a technique that took me over a year to master. I used to just come at the runway as flat as posible and fight the brakes till I stopped. Amazing what stupidity I lived through!!! Now I slow, I use flaps and I flare. The plane sinks slowly and the horizon disapears. Then the nosewheel comes down. In a taildragger it feels real nice to get that three pointer. Now if we only had a Carrier. Then we could really talk about landings.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:51 PM
Tsisqua, wich tribe does that man in your picture belong to? i am researching a lot at the moment on the history of native Americans.
Regards'
Kees from Amsterdam.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:57 PM
I've been flying taildraggers in RL for over 20 years, and wether you use a 3-pointer or a wheeler landing depends entirely on the a/c type and where you are landing. As a general rule, a wheeler landing is prefered as it gives you a view of the runway over the nose for longer. However, if runway length is an issue then a well executed 3-pointer will get you down and stopped in the shortest distance. So considering the huge runways available in IL-2/FB dont bother trying to 3-point unless you like the challenge!

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:03 PM
Flydutch wrote:
- Tsisqua, wich tribe does that man in your picture
- belong to? i am researching a lot at the moment on
- the history of native Americans.
- Regards'
- Kees from Amsterdam.
-
-

Flydutch,

The man is Cherokee. Tsalagi, in our language. His name was Zeke Proctor, and there was almost a war fought with the United States over this man. He was found innocent by the Cherokee courts of the murder of a white person. Then, Federal agents from Fort Smith attempted to arrest him so that he could be tried in a white court. The agents were all killed at the courthouse. All of the soldiers sent to arrest him in Indian Territory were massacred. Ullyses S. Grant pardoned him to avoid all out war with the Cherokee, which had fought along side the USA in the three previous wars. The decorations on his hat are rattlesnake rattles, and killing a rattlesnake was a very feared thing to do in our old culture; the snake's spirit would return to take terrible vengence. He was famous for being fearless, and those rattles were a strong statement to his enemies.

Tsisqua (Bird)

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Message Edited on 08/13/0311:05AM by tsisqua

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:46 PM
I don't know about a 3 point .............but i did a heavy landing which flipped me over (Hurricane)...usually I can get out and run for it before she blows.........this time I was dead.............first time this has happened to me
or is this usual..........

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:10 PM
3 point landing in a taildragger: a good thing.

3 point landing in a tricycle gear: a bad thing (boing, boing, boing, crunched nose gear, boing ...)

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:49 PM
Actually, a lot of tail-wheel fighters of WW2 vintage couldn't be landed 3-point.

Greg Boyington explains this in Baa-Baa Black Sheep when comparing the F3F-3 that he had flown in the USMC to an AVG P-40 that he wrecked in the CBI.

The P-40s "oleo" landing gear was really stiff and the planes landing speed was much higher than that of the biplane's.

As a result, a 3-point landing would lead to a horrific bounce (if you actually hit one) and pilots subsequently couldn't recover control of the plane.

Three-point landings are pretty to look at in a sim like CFS2 or FB, but they aren't always particularly "realistic."

Moe

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:52 PM
I always go front wheels, then i pull on the stick and bring the back wheel down.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:53 PM
carbheat wrote:
- 3 point landing in a taildragger: a good thing.
-
- 3 point landing in a tricycle gear: a bad thing
- (boing, boing, boing, crunched nose gear, boing ...)
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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:09 PM
I agree that 3 pointers are more feasible now and that before, in FB or IL2, most of the time if you attempted to do it, the plane would stall out first and drop a wing, rather than land on 3 points. Some planes were worse than others. In RL ( I think ) in a Me109, you almost had to make a 3 point landing to land safely but I don't know if that's really true or not. Just something I read once. Something about how the plane would yaw and go off the runway if you didn't. I forget if it was left or right yaw. Because you needed the tail wheel to bite in for steering it more effectively?? Rudder alone supposedly was not effective enough.