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zhenelzuar
10-14-2006, 06:14 AM
Did you like the movie? I think it was great.
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leitmotiv
10-14-2006, 08:55 AM
AGHHHHH

berg417448
10-14-2006, 09:06 AM
Terrible movie.

VW-IceFire
10-14-2006, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by zhenelzuar:
Did you like the movie? I think it was great.
And it looks very simmilar to Pacific Fighters.
Not a bad movie persay but the gross historical inaccuracies make it painful to watch. I own it...I enjoy watching it from time to time but as far as movies about Pearl Harbor go...its not the best.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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joeap
10-14-2006, 10:59 AM
Do yourself a favour and rent "Tora Tora Tora" a mcuh more accurate film than "Pearl Harbour." If you must see Kate Beckinsdale go rent "Von Helsing" or something.

Tater-SW-
10-14-2006, 02:28 PM
Worst ww2 movie, well, ever, perhaps. I can't begin to describe how awful it is. Run from it. It has less to do with the real attack on Pearl Harbor than the movie Dune had to do with the book, or even what the movie Starship Troopers had to do with Robert Heinlein's book. Yuck.

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10-14-2006, 03:36 PM
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roybaty
10-14-2006, 04:19 PM
That a quote from the movie? Good gravy, did they have a tech advisor, or even read books?


Originally posted by VF51_Flatspin:
"P-40's can't outrun Zero's boys, so we'll have to out fly them"!

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10-14-2006, 04:36 PM
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Tater-SW-
10-14-2006, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by roybaty:
That a quote from the movie? Good gravy, did they have a tech advisor, or even read books?
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No, aparently not.

The proper way to deal with a Zero accoding to them is to fly sideways between buildings to scrape them off your 6.

I wish I was joking.

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Waldo.Pepper
10-15-2006, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
AGHHHHH

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mrsiCkstar
10-15-2006, 01:11 PM
I still remember the massive feeling of being let down... I had such high expectations for that movie but turns out all the air combat sequences in the movie were already in the trailer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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roybaty
10-15-2006, 05:45 PM
It a sad thing really, I love movies like tora. tora, tora, and BOB, always wish there'd be a big budget modern remake or new movie with the same feel using modern effects/cg to compliment the storyline.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Skoshi Tiger
10-16-2006, 01:21 AM
I had a "pearl harbour" moment the other day. I had just shot down a zero at low level when I was attacked from behind. I madly trying to get out of the way when a wing tip was shot off and I cartwheeled into the water! After a groan I noticed that I didn't get a Pilot Killed message, so I ejected! The canopy poped out through the water and I poped up in my life raft! Then it was back to old bighty for tiffin!

And who said Pearl Harbour wasn't lifelike?

VFA-195 Snacky
10-16-2006, 06:52 PM
If they had spent more time on actually telling the story of Pearl harbor and less on the stupid love story it might have been worth a DVD rental. I liked the special effects and I got some entertainment value out of it, but I didn't expect a historical movie either. Some of you guys need to lighten up and realize these movies are supposed to entertain and not be a documentary.

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VW-IceFire
10-16-2006, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
If they had spent more time on actually telling the story of Pearl harbor and less on the stupid love story it might have been worth a DVD rental. I liked the special effects and I got some entertainment value out of it, but I didn't expect a historical movie either. Some of you guys need to lighten up and realize these movies are supposed to entertain and not be a documentary.

Nothing worse than sitting next to someone in a theatre sighing and pointing out inaccuracies. RELAX!
True that. I did actually buy it and still enjoy occasionally watching it. The theme and the capturing of essence of the early 1940s was excelently done from that part of the history. Its a dichotomy because the filmic components of the movie are so well done too...but the actual event that they were aiming to tell was the worst part of it for accuracy.

What we have here is a true hollywood style movie...with the best of the giant blockbuster style of movie telling. Things like the camera work, how the scenes are cut, and the score really impressed me. So from that perspective...a great movie...but when you approach it from the historical perspective in terms of the warfare and the details in the events its somewhat lackluster.

The optimist in me screams out that they should have spent more time making it more historically correct. They could have done so I think...if htey had...it'd be near perfect.

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roybaty
10-17-2006, 10:37 AM
I'm not uptight, just that i like "historical" movies that are somewhat historic. If I want to just see action I'll see an action film like Ronin or something.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Takekaze
10-18-2006, 11:06 AM
Did you notice how IJNAF pilots drank sake before taking off to the attack? Sakai and Nishizawa are rotating in their graves.

I refuse to comment on the movie itself. There are scenes were torpedo bombers are flying right above water and the CGI models don't cast any shadows. It's as "accurate" and "brilliant" as U-571 or Last Samurai, or any other of those Hollywood cluster-****s.

Though, as for remakes, isn't Peter Jackson doing Dambusters? That might work well.

Scrapper_511
10-18-2006, 08:34 PM
I take movies for what they are; entertainment. Some may suck while others may rule.

Pearl Harbor has lots of good eye-candy with a good story-line...reasons enough to enjoy the movie and buy the DVD (Aflek still can't act). It may have technical and historical innaccuracies but considering the director I knew this was going to be pretty much "Hollywood".

horseback
10-18-2006, 09:31 PM
Actually, it was the transfer of the fighter pilot heros of Pearl Harbor to Doolittle's Raiders that got my goat-closely followed by Alec Baldwin playing a real man (Jimmy Doolittle).

Spencer Tracy must have been spinning in his grave-Doolittle was too good a pilot to ever go into a spin, even in death.

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fly_zo
10-18-2006, 10:13 PM
Did US army sponsor that movie? If it's true they must interfere in writing scenario so maybe director had no choice.

berg417448
10-19-2006, 09:07 AM
The Army doesn't sponsor Hollywood movies.

The director is the one who has the final say ...but the script was probably **** from the beginning.

fly_zo
10-19-2006, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by berg417448:
The Army doesn't sponsor Hollywood movies.

The director is the one who has the final say ...but the script was probably **** from the beginning.

funny, just last week i saw documentary on tv about how army refused to sponsor movies like platoon and how they sponsored pearl harbor and longest day. (i believe the term was: full cooperation) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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berg417448
10-19-2006, 12:12 PM
Sponsor is not the correct word. Sponsor implies an organization that finances and/or buys the time to broadcast a program to advertise a product, etc.

The Army may sometimes provide information and technical advice, if asked, to movie makers but they do not finance the movies. And the term "full cooperation" hardly implies any control over the script. For example, full cooperation for the Pearl Harbor movie consisted of furnishing the decomissioned ships for the explosion scenes, giving permission to shoot at protected sites around Pearl Harbor, and granting special permission to dive on the USS Arizona for an underwater sequence.

fly_zo
10-19-2006, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
Sponsor is not the correct word. Sponsor implies an organization that finances and/or buys the time to broadcast a program to advertise a product, etc.

The Army may sometimes provide information and technical advice, if asked, to movie makers but they do not finance the movies. And the term "full cooperation" hardly implies any control over the script. For example, full cooperation for the Pearl Harbor movie consisted of furnishing the decomissioned ships for the explosion scenes, giving permission to shoot at protected sites around Pearl Harbor, and granting special permission to dive on the USS Arizona for an underwater sequence.


Don?t be so naive, they showed interview with army officer explaining how he censure the script (everything that puts bad light on army).

Example was scene supposed to be in "thin red line" (us marine pulling out teeth from dead Japanese soldier) they even showed documented picture of actual act.

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berg417448
10-19-2006, 12:55 PM
Please show me where they forced the makers of the movie Pearl Harbor to alter their already terrible script to make it even less accurate. Please show me where the director had "no choice".

For example:

"Before Hawai?i-location shooting started on Pearl Harbor, Disney covered its historically correct bases and consulted with the U.S. Defense Department, the National Park Service and military veterans? representatives. According to Daniel Martinez, NPS Historian at the USS Arizona Memorial, the PH script Disney showed him last year before production started had about 50 factual errors. "I think they wanted to look at how many problems were in the script historically, and then mitigate those problems as best they could to accommodate the vision of the scriptwriter, Bay and Bruckheimer," says Martinez. He says he gave Disney detailed documentation with his comments.

"The script was not historically accurate in many ways," asserts Martinez. "Initially, I was a little disappointed. Early on, I had the impression this was going to be a historically accurate film. I had discussions with Bruckheimer, Bay and [producer Bruce] Hendricks. In fairness to them, it was made clear this was not going to be a documentary, and that it was going to use the backdrop of Pearl Harbor to paint a drama surrounded by a love story. ? I then came away with the impression the film was going to be an interpretation."


Pretty clear that the script was garbage and historical accuracy wasn't the primary concern of the makers.

tagTaken2
10-19-2006, 06:31 PM
I've seen that documentary, it gave a really unpleasant impression of the military, out of their own mouths. They were less concerned with historical accuracy, than ensuring the military is represented positively.

It's peculiar... if you look at the list of movies they refused to support... most of the classic war films are on there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Tater-SW-
10-19-2006, 07:31 PM
Like which films?

I think as a taxpayer, it's in my interest for tax money to be spent on films that will improve the military I pay for, not attack it, that would be absurd. The military spends millions flying helos around for some POS film like Platoon, so that the director can make them look like sh*t?which might reduce enmlistment and cause them to have to spend MORE millions of OUR money to advertize to correct the problem.

So I can see the rationale.

tater

berg417448
10-19-2006, 07:48 PM
My point was that the military did not "interfere in writing scenario" with the Pearl Harbor movie.

In the case of Pearl Harbor, the script was already error filled before any cooperation by the military. Most of those errors were still in the final product so the director definitely had a choice and opted for an action/adventure/love script over an accurate one.

The military obviously decided to cooperate because it saw the movie (even with the errors) as a potential boost for recruiting as well as a reminder to the American people of the brave actions of World War II veterans...but it wasn't responsible for the script's errors.

fly_zo
10-19-2006, 11:48 PM
@tater and berg:

Are you with the military? I believe so (all that officially demagogic cr@p).

End of discussion for me.
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Tater-SW-
10-20-2006, 07:31 AM
No, I'm not in the military, but I pay a huge amount of taxes, and I don't want them to waste my taxes helping the likes of Oliver Stone who has given us so many historically correct movies in the past.

Again, what are the example of the great war movies about US military forces where the military refused to cooperate?

tater

berg417448
10-20-2006, 08:29 AM
Not with the military at all. Another wrong pre-concieved notion on your part.

Not surprised that you are dropping out of the discussion of the Pearl Harbor movie since facts were provided that conflict with your pre-concieved notions about this movie.

I am unconcerned about other movies which have received pressure to change scripts from the military. This discussion was about one movie, Pearl Harbor.

Your assertion that maybe the Pearl Harbor director had no choice is wrong. He had a choice and he chose to make an error filled movie anyway even after being made aware of the errors.

Wtornado_439th
10-20-2006, 08:36 AM
My god its just a Hollywood film http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif not a documentary http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

ShaK.
10-20-2006, 08:46 AM
are you all crazy? PH is the best military flight movie since... ah topgun.

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Tater-SW-
10-20-2006, 12:02 PM
Yeah, it's just a hollywood film. Would have been better as a bollywood film, at least it would have had dancing (and maybe wet saris).

It SUCKED. If it had been a wonderful movie, but historical ****, it might be an acceptable fantasy I guess. Honestly though, if you want to make a fantasy movie, why tie it to a very well known historical event? Want pilots in the pacific disconnected to reality? Make something up, or add a fantasy squadron to some other location. If you do something iconic, you need to do it right or leave it alone, IMO. In general, i'd say you shouldn't remake something unless you know you will do a better job in every way. I wouldn't redo my own kitchen, for example, unless I was confident I could do a better job than anyone I could pay to do it, regardless of cost. Since I'm not that good with that kind of work, I paid people who were.

Obviously movie people don't care, it's not about a quality product, it's about making a quick buck. More power to them, that's their job, but we can refuse to fall for **** movies to punish their lack of attention. Glad I rented it for a couple bucks instead of seeing it full ticket at the theater.

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joeap
10-20-2006, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
Glad I rented it for a couple bucks instead of seeing it full ticket at the theater.
tater

Yea, that's what I did. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Cadet_Bobo
10-20-2006, 05:49 PM
There's a pretty good song about the movie "Pearl Harbor" in the movie "Team America"
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Peckens
10-20-2006, 09:33 PM
I never liked 99% of the movie except for the eye candy, but believe it or not Pearl Harbor got me into WW2 aircraft. (I was only 12 when it came out).

Tully__
10-20-2006, 11:05 PM
Pearl Harbour was pretty good as pure entertainment (if you like your war movies with a romantic sideline) but is really bad in terms of historical accuracy.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WTE_Googly
10-21-2006, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by Tully__:
Pearl Harbour was pretty good as pure entertainment (if you like your war movies with a romantic sideline) but is really bad in terms of historical accuracy.

You mean romantic movie with a war sideline don't you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Bloody awful movie in most, if not all respects I feel.

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Tully__
10-21-2006, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Googly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tully__:
Pearl Harbour was pretty good as pure entertainment (if you like your war movies with a romantic sideline) but is really bad in terms of historical accuracy.

You mean romantic movie with a war sideline don't you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Vidarts
10-21-2006, 08:12 AM
From a pure technical point of view the film was perfect. Unfortunately this is not the only ingredient for a good movie. Unfortunately the other ingredients were missing.

The first thing missing is:
not to mix genres. It's all right to tell a love story with a war background. It's all right to make a war movie with a little love story in it. But never, NEVER try to do both!!!

The second thing is:
Don't underestimate the intelect of the audience. Unfortunately and very Hollywood-like they did exactly that.

the third thing is:
Good acting! Or at least some acting ...

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Takekaze
10-23-2006, 12:14 AM
They called it a "love triangle", but both guys were just after the girl. Why didn't they show the two pilots going for each other in the end? THAT would have been funny. And it would have been a real love triangle.

The romance itself, though, was rather lame and nothing new.

I also loved how the nurses -all of them- ran around with full make-up and a lot of lipstick, not to mention open hair. As if any chief nurse would allow that even today, and especially back then, when they were even more strict than today.

I wouldn't even say that the film was perfect from the technical point of view. It just wasn't. It was half-assed. There are editing errors in it, CGI mistakes (no shadows), etc. And, let's not forget, the shots of the American fleet show us clearly missile destroyers and other stuff from the 90s. Whoops? Someone crossed the Pearl Harbor script with Final Countdown.

And Doolittle's Raid and the "Hoorah Patriotism" attached to the final minutes. Yuck. Amazing they didn't show the US flag like they did in Saving Private Ryan (I wish Spielberg had not added that scene and just left the movie as it was planned, no graveyard scene, but right into the landing).

BTW, some of the "Japanese" characters spoke such an ugly Japanese, it's not even funny. One of these guys had such a bloody American accent, oivech. Happens when you cast Asian Americans and not Japanese to play those parts.

See, this movie explains why I don't consider Hollywood "entertainment" anymore, just an annoyance. Just take the "Flight of the Phoenix" remake, dear god... someone shoot it to put it out of its misery.

Now... I need my monthly dose of Jimmy Steward and real planes.

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10-23-2006, 04:20 AM
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tagTaken2
10-24-2006, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
Again, what are the example of the great war movies about US military forces where the military refused to cooperate?

tater

Aaargh, off the top of my head, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket, I believe were on the list. There were more, but don't recall all of them.

Miss-Kitten
10-24-2006, 09:29 AM
It was an overly romantisized version of Pearl Harbor, I didn't think it was bad.

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VF51_Flatspin
10-24-2006, 09:39 AM
Indeed, Tora Tora Tora! Remains as the definitive Pearl Harbor movie to date. And there's REAL love in that movie: "Honey, shut up and drive the car would ya?" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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