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signalnorth
01-02-2006, 01:49 PM
What aeroplanes available in this sim did Finland use?

Kuna15
01-02-2006, 01:56 PM
Bf-109G-2 & G-6 (late?)
Blenheim MK1 & MK4
B.239 (most popular with Bf-109 among FAF fighter pilots)
Fiat G.50
I-153 (captured; wasn't operational afaik)
I-16 -:-
J8A & Gladiator
Hawk 75
Hurricane MK.1
MS.406
LaGG-3 (captured; was in operational use vs. VVS)
Ju-88

Perhaps some more.

berg417448
01-02-2006, 02:00 PM
http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/aircraft.html

RocketDog
01-02-2006, 02:01 PM
B-239!!

Cheers,

RocketDog.

signalnorth
01-02-2006, 02:21 PM
Thanks for your posts everyone, Great stuff.

SaQSoN
01-02-2006, 02:29 PM
I-153 (captured; wasn't operational afaik)

A pair of I-153 was operational within Finnish AF during summer 1941 and took part in combat over Gulf of Finland. By the beginning of 1942 Finns had already about a dosen of operational I-153, mostly supplied (sold) by Germans from those, captured at the western borders of the USSR.
They participated in combat at least until the mid-43, and then the remaining ones were sent to a training units.

FiAW_Vaijy
01-03-2006, 03:32 AM
Some more with quick look....

PE-2
SB-2
DB-3
IL-4

All captured or bought from germany.

DC-2 , originally a normal passanger plane I quess.

HotelBushranger
01-03-2006, 04:15 AM
B.239 (most popular with Bf-109 among FAF fighter pilots)

A Finnish fighter pilot once said (can't remember who though, pretty sure it wasn't Juutilainen, might have been Lauri Pekuri) that he hated the 109 compared to the B-239. He reckoned the 109 had no soul, wasn't comfortable, no sense of character.

Additional Finnish Planes:
Name (How many) Squadrons
Ilyushin DB-3M (11): LLv 36 (1940), LLv 46 (1940-41, 1943-44), LLv 48 (1941-44), LLv 42 (1942), PLeLv 45 (1944-45), PLeLv 43 (1945)

Tupolev SB-2 (24): Er.LLv (1940-41), LeLv 6 (1941-44), T-LLv 17 (1943-44), PLeLv 46 (1944), PLeLv 45 (1944-45)

Bristol Blenheim Mk I and Mk IV (85): LAs 6 (1937-39), LentoR 4 (1938-39), LLv 46 (1939-41, 1944), LLv 44 (1939-43), IlmVE (1940), LLv 42 (1940-45), LeLv 48 (1942-44), T-LeLv 17 (1942-44), TLeLv 12 (1944), PLeLv 41 (1944-48, 1951-52), PLeLv 43 (1945-46), PLeLv 45 (1945-48), KoeL (1945-48, 1957-58), E/LeR 4 (1947-48), LeR 3 (1952-53), 1. Lsto (1952-57), H√¬§mLsto (1957-58)

Petlyakov Pe-2 and Pe-3 (8): LeLv 48 (1942-44), PLeLv 41 (1944-45), PLeLv 45 (1945)

Junkers Ju-88 A-4 (23): LeLv 44 (1943-44), PLeLv 43 (1944-48)

Ilyushin Il-4 (DB-3F) (3): LeLv 48 (1943), LeLv 46 (1943-44), PLeLv 45 (1944-45)

Gloster Gladiator Mk II (30): LLv 26 (1940), LLv 12 (1940-41), LLv 14 (1940-41), Er.LLv (1940-41), LLv 16 (1940-44), HLeLv 30 (1944), LeSK (1944-45)

Soon to be http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Fokker D-XXI (97 - Two Engine Variants): Mercury: LAs 1 (1937-38), LeR 2 (1938-40), LLv 24 (1938-40), LLv 10 (1939), LLv 26 (1939), KoeL (1939-40), LLv 12 (1939, 1941-44), LLv 32 (1940-41), LLv 14 (1941-42), T-LLv 35 (1944), LeSK (1944-45).
Twin Wasp: LLv 10 (1941), LLv 32 (1941), LLv 34 (1941), LLv 30 (1941-43), T-LLv 35 (1941-44), LLv 14 (1942-44), LeLv 12 (1943-44), HLeLv 28 (1944-45), LeSK (1944-48), PLeLv 41 (1945)

Fiat G.50 (35): LLv 26 (1940-44), LeLv 28 (1941), T-LLv 35 (1944), HLeLv 30 (1944), LeSK (1944-46), HLeLv 23 (1945-46)

Morane-Saulnier M.S. 406 (87): LLv 28 (1940-44), LeLv 14 (1942-44), LeLv 34 (1943)

Morko Morane - 406 with war booty Russian Klimov 105P engine (41): Not sure, but were first in operational squadrons in 1944.

Brewster B-239 (44): LLv 22 (1940), LLv 24 (1940-44), LeLv 26 (1941, 44-45), IlmaVE (1945-48), KoeL (1946-48)

*Bonus Trivia* Kills/Loses: Winter War 0/0, Continuation War 478/23 - **** good pilots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Hawker Hurricane Mk 1 and Mk II A (13): I: LLv 22 (1940), LLv 28 (1940), LLv 30 (1940-41), LLv 10 (1941), LLv 32 (1941-42), LLv 26 (1942-43).
IIA: HLeLv 34 (1944), HLeLv 28 (1944)

Polikarpov I-16 (6 - only 2 were airworthy): LLv 24 (1941), LeLv 6 (1942), LeLv 30 (1942-43)

Polikarpov I-153 (21): LLv 12 (1940-41), LLv 14 (1940-41), LLv 26 (1940, 1944), Er.LLv (1941), LeLv 6 (1941-42), LeLv 30 (1942-44), TLeLv 16 (1944), HLeLv 28 (1944-45)

Curtiss Hawk 75A (44 total in 5 sub groups, A-4's (with Cyclone engines) were never used in combat): LeLv 12 (1941), LeLv 14 (1941), LeLv 32 (1941-44), HLeLv 13 (1944-48), HLeLv 11 (1947-48), LeSK (1947-48)

Lavochkin LaGG-3 (3): LeLv 32 (1943-44), HLeLv 11 (1944-45)

Messerschmitt Bf 109G (G-2 48, G-6 109 and G-8 2): LeLv 34 (1943-44), HLeLv 24 (1944), HLeLv 30 (1944), HLeLv 28 (1944-45), HLeLv 23 (1944-48), HLeLv 31 (1944-54), HLeLv 33 (1944-54), HLeLv 21 (1946), HLeLv 11 (1946-53), HLeLv 13 (1946-53), LeSK (1948-54), PLeLv 41 (1948-54)

Curtiss P-40M (1): HLeLv 32 (1944), HLeLv 13 (1944-45)

Beriyev MBR-2 (5): LeLv 15 (1941), LeLv 6 (1942) LeLv 12 (1942)

Fiesler Fi-156 Storch (2): LeR 1 (1939-40), IlmaVE (1940-56), LeLv 14 (1942-44), H√¬§mLsto (1957-60)

Polikarpov U-2/U-2VG (4 - 2nd one captured was the only VG): LeLv 30 (1942-43), LeLv 28 (1944), TLeLv 12 (1944-45), HLeLv 32 (1944)

Douglas DC-2 (1): LLv 44 (1940), LLv 46 (1940-41), LLv 48 (1941-42), IlmaVE (1942-44), LeR 4 (1944-49, 1952), LeR 3 (1949-50), 1. Lsto (1952-55)

Think thats it. Hope it helped http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ytareh
01-03-2006, 04:26 AM
A Finnish B239("Brewster Buffalo") holds the record for the most number of planes shot down by any one individual aeroplane I believe....

HotelBushranger
01-03-2006, 04:31 AM
Capt. Hans Wind scored 39 kills with his, dunno if it's the top though.

neural_dream
01-03-2006, 05:04 AM
BW-393
41 kills, but that's not a confirmed record. 28 of those were from Wind.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/theme/2004_theme_14_color_I.jpg

http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/theme/2004_theme_14_06.jpg

On 10 June 1940 delivered to LLv 24. After full overhaul at the factory, on 24 June 1941 delivered to 2/LLv 24 and assigned to Sgt Jalo Dahl. On 28 January 1942 landed to Kontupohja before the runway and ground looped. 2Lt M√¬§kinen escaped injuries. On 3 February 1942 sent to the factory for repairs. Received a new warpaint with aluminium dope undersides.

On 1 June 1942 delivered to 1/LeLv 24 and assigned to Capt Eino Luukkanen. On 10 November 1942 assigned to 1Lt Hans Wind. On 1 May 1943 transferred to 3/LeLv 24 and further assigned to 1Lt Hans Wind.

On 26 May 1944 delivered to 2/HLeLv 26. On 2 July 1944 burned in Immola hangar after Soviet air raid. 19 October 1944 removed from the records.


17.09.41 Pyh√¬§j√¬§rvi-Pr√¬§√¬§s√¬§ 24 SSgt J. Dahl MiG-3
07.10.41 Suopohja 24 Cpl T. J√¬§rvi I-153
09.01.42 Kamenitsinj√¬§rvi 24 1Lt H. Wind R-5
06.08.42 Seiskari 24 Capt E. Luukkanen I-16
14.08.42 Tolli lighthouse 24 1Lt H. Wind Hurricane of 3 GIAP, KBF
Oranienbaum 24 1Lt H. Wind Hurricane
18.08.42 Kreivinlahti 24 1Lt H. Wind Hurricane
Kreivinlahti 24 1Lt H. Wind I-16 of 71 AP, KBF
Kreivinlahti 24 1Lt H. Wind I-16
31.08.42 Lavansaari 24 Capt E. Luukkanen I-153
13.10.42 Kreivinlahti 24 Capt E. Luukkanen DB-3 of 1 GMTAP, KBF
22.10.42 Kreivinlahti 24 Capt E. Luukkanen 2 x I-16
25.10.42 Tolli lighthouse 24 SSgt P. Heinonen Hurricane of 3GIAP, KBF
30.10.42 Harjavallanj√¬§rvi 24 Capt E. Luukkanen Spitfire ? (Yak-1)
Harjavallanj√¬§rvi 24 Capt E. Luukkanen I-16
23.11.42 Patterinlahti 24 1Lt H. Wind I-16
Tolli lighthouse 24 1Lt H. Wind Pe-2 of 73 AP, KBF
24.01.43 Kronstadt 24 1Lt H. Wind I-16
02.03.43 Tipuna 24 1Lt H. Wind I-16
18.04.43 Seiskari ‚‚ā¨" Sepelava 24 1Lt K. Lindberg Yak-1 of 21 IAP, KBF
19.04.43 Kronstadt 24 SSgt A. Vahvelainen ‚Ĺ Pe-2 of 73 AP, KBF
21.04.43 Seiskari 15 km E 24 1Lt H. Wind ‚Ĺ Yak-1
Sepeleva 24 1Lt H. Wind Yak-1
Oranienbaum 24 1Lt H. Wind Yak-1
04.05.43 Seiskari 24 1Lt H. Wind I-153
Seiskari ‚‚ā¨" Oranienbaum 24 1Lt H. Wind 2 x Il-2 of 7 GShAP, KBF
Tolli lighthouse 24 1Lt H. Wind Il-2
20.05.43 Ystinski peninsula 24 1Lt H. Wind Yak-7B of 13 KIAP,KBF
Seiskari 15 km E 24 1Lt H. Wind La-5 of 4 GIAP, KBF
Seiskari ‚‚ā¨" Sepeleva 24 1Lt H. Wind Yak-1
30.05.43 Ystinski 24 1Lt H. Wind LaGG-3
Ystinski 24 1Lt H. Wind ‚Ĺ La-5 of 4 GIAP, KBF
17.07.43 Koivisto ‚‚ā¨" Teikari 24 1Lt H. Wind LaGG-3
31.08.43 Sepeleva 10 km W 24 2Lt A. Laitinen La-5
23.09.43 Seiskari 24 1Lt H. Wind Il-2
Seiskari 24 1Lt H. Wind La-5 of 4 GIAP, KBF
28.09.43 Seiv√¬§st√¬∂ 24 1Lt H. Wind ‚Ĺ Yak-1 of 12 KOAE, KBF
Sepeleva lighthouse 24 1Lt H. Wind Yak-1
10.11.43 Oranienbaum 24 SSgt E. Vesa Yak-1

Kuna15
01-03-2006, 05:21 AM
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rotfl

HotelBushranger
01-03-2006, 08:07 AM
The Finns had plane kills instead of personal kills. Quite a great idea I think http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Still gives the incentive to achieve kills, and there isn't lying etc., and still keeps a sense of comaraderie going.

Edit: I'm pretty sure at least http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

mortoma
01-03-2006, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
BW-393
41 kills, but that's not a confirmed record. 28 of those were from Wind.

What in the heck is 'Wind' supposed to mean??

gorillasika
01-03-2006, 10:21 AM
What in the heck is 'Wind' supposed to mean??

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/finace02.htm


The Finns had plane kills instead of personal kills. Quite a great idea I think Thumbs Up Still gives the incentive to achieve kills, and there isn't lying etc., and still keeps a sense of comaraderie going.

Not exactly true. Finns counted primarily personal kills. I guess the kills/plane number was just counted sometimes out of curiousity, or if the number was high.

mortoma
01-03-2006, 10:52 AM
But what is 'Wind'?? Other than movement of air across the planet surface that is.

Tully__
01-03-2006, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
But what is 'Wind'?? Other than movement of air across the planet surface that is.


Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Capt. Hans Wind scored 39 kills with his, dunno if it's the top though.

It's the pilot's name.

Dash_C.
01-03-2006, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by ytareh:
A Finnish B239("Brewster Buffalo") holds the record for the most number of planes shot down by any one individual aeroplane I believe....

That's very interesting if it is verified...

FiAW_Vaijy
01-04-2006, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
But what is 'Wind'?? Other than movement of air across the planet surface that is.

Look at this link , then you know what is Wind.
He is pilot named Hans Wind

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/finace02.htm -----------------



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