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Airmail109
09-15-2005, 01:21 PM
Recreational flying needs
defending from these morons!

http://www.stopthenoise.org/

Feel free to spam them to your hearts desire!

Airmail109
09-15-2005, 01:21 PM
Recreational flying needs
defending from these morons!

http://www.stopthenoise.org/

Feel free to spam them to your hearts desire!

Dunkelgrun
09-15-2005, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
Recreational flying needs
defending from these morons!

http://www.stopthenoise.org/

Feel free to spam them to your hearts desire! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? They have a very valid point. Biased maybe, morons unlikely.

huggy87
09-15-2005, 02:40 PM
It affects military aviation as well. I flew FA-18s out of oceana in virgina beach, virginia for four years from 2000-2004. There is a very vocal community there that has been trying for years to shutdown or severely restrict our flight patterns. As a result we flew landing patterns and approaches that were not at all like what we flew at the boat. Needless to say, it takes a lot of practice to fly safe passes at the ship and these patterns were actually "negative training". The funny thing is, Oceana has been a naval aviation base since ww2. To my way of thinking, you do not have any right to complain about airplane noise unless you have lived there since before ww2. I wouldn't build my house next to an airport and complain about aircraft noise. I wouldn't build my house next to a volcano and then complain when it erupts. But apparently people in virginia beach get to operate outside the boundaries of common sense and reason.

Zeus-cat
09-15-2005, 02:47 PM
I agree with Dunkelgrun. They clearly have a bias and don't like the FAA.

I deal with the FAA on my job in an area that has nothing to do with general aviation, and the guys I deal with are by the book. No incompetent or corrupt people in my FAA office.

Spam them all you want, but it won't make any difference. Based on what they say, they sound pretty annoyed at the situation and a few emails will not deter them. Have you considered that maybe there is a valid reason why they are so pi$$ed? I didn't read everything, but it doesn't sound like they are mad at responsible pilots who are just flying overhead. It sounds more like people who are doing something they shouldn't be that they are mad at.

Zeus-cat

Airmail109
09-15-2005, 02:52 PM
They seem to be annoyed by every ligth areoplane tha passes over their house! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I live near a Harrier base and have become used to them! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

These guys get pissed off by a cessna 172! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

horseback
09-15-2005, 02:57 PM
It's hardly a new phenomenon. In the late sixties, people moving to the Phoenix and Tucson areas (shortly after the invention of effective air conditioning) complained quite a bit about the jets flying out of Luke and Davis-Monthan, bases established long before these ingrates decided to move west. One of the worst cases was the Sun City development in Peoria, Arizona that was apparently built directly under the approach to Luke's runway.

What really stuck in my craw was that a large percentage of these complainers were military retirees who moved there because of the proximity of these bases' military hospitals (retirees received free medical care at military hospitals back then) and comissaries...

cheers

horseback

russ.nl
09-15-2005, 02:59 PM
I don't know what those guys are babbling about, I live next to a military airfield and those planes coming over make me feel at home. Unfortunately its closing because of defense cuts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Airmail109
09-15-2005, 03:08 PM
Seriously these guys are attackin recreational flyers and want to make it illegal for you to fly over or near their property? So where will pilots fly? Under the sea? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Theyll be complaining when they have o commercial pilots to fly them on theur stupid package holidays http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

huggy87
09-15-2005, 06:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
It's hardly a new phenomenon. In the late sixties, people moving to the Phoenix and Tucson areas (shortly after the invention of effective air conditioning) complained quite a bit about the jets flying out of Luke and Davis-Monthan, bases established long before these ingrates decided to move west. One of the worst cases was the Sun City development in Peoria, Arizona that was apparently built directly under the approach to Luke's runway.

What really stuck in my craw was that a large percentage of these complainers were military retirees who moved there because of the proximity of these bases' military hospitals (retirees received free medical care at military hospitals back then) and comissaries...

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same at Oceana Horseback. The person heading the movement against the Navy is actually a retired navy captain. Probably a shoe. I hope.

felbeast
09-15-2005, 06:42 PM
One would think it would just be easier to enjoy the beauty of flight instead of dwelling on the noise - but I guess some people just have to biatch about something.

TC_Stele
09-15-2005, 06:55 PM
I saw a B-17 fly over me once. That was such an awesome and sweet sound as I tried to enjoy every second of it.

But these whiners are going to probably start replacing airplane sounds with flak guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Bearcat99
09-15-2005, 07:17 PM
They think the pilots are the morons... go figure. Just goes to show you.... everything is relative.

kameron1974
09-15-2005, 07:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TC_Stele:
I saw a B-17 fly over me once. That was such an awesome and sweet sound as I tried to enjoy every second of it.

But these whiners are going to probably start replacing airplane sounds with flak guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In Toronto we get the Lancaster rumbling over every once and awhile. The sound of four engines drowns out everything. Fantastic.
As for these morons I'd say send Stukageswader 1 or 2. Problem solved.

luftluuver
09-15-2005, 07:50 PM
Not just airports but railroad tracks and high voltage power lines do these idiots whine about.

When they looked at the house they were thinking of buying, there must have been an a/c flying overhead, so why did they go ahead a buy the house. They are getting what they deserve for being brain dead.

Remember the big hulabaloo about the school that got attacked by mistake at night? What were those idiots thinking of putting a school so near a weapons range? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

BaldieJr
09-15-2005, 07:55 PM
I live under an approach path for a smallish field. It feucking sucks. I agree with anyone who complains of the noise.

Lucky for the pilots: I only rent. If I owned a piece of land here, I'd be on thier case all the time. Home is where the peace and quiet is. If aviation technology can't advance to the point of being unobtrusive, it needs to be put to rest. This is 2005 after all.

PBNA-Boosher
09-15-2005, 07:58 PM
Great. Just great.

Now I'll have to worry about a 4 acre POS property that I have to dodge b/c some ******* doesn't like the noise?

Call me a rebellious teen, and there's no way I'd buzz the guy's house, but where the F*** does it say that he owns the air too?

Baldie, you're a different case. Sometimes there are odd things going on. Were you in your house before the airport was built?If you were then I understand perfectly where you're coming from, but if you moved in after I feel that part of your home-buying process should have been investigating the airport noise.

BaldieJr
09-15-2005, 08:00 PM
You dont own it either. You're just flying by, making a lot of racket while old people try to rest.

So you pilots must all be friggen idiots!!~!!!1132123


Or, you could consider the fact that mufflers aren't going to rob that much precious power from your flying grocery cart.

PBNA-Boosher
09-15-2005, 08:05 PM
It's not me, personally, actually, the plane I fly is pretty quiet. And if it's Cessna noise, I"m fine with that. I hate Cessnas.

And no, I wasn't saying I own the air either, though I understand how my message sounded.

Here's how I'd see it happening. The people with communities build around the airports will just have to deal, for the most part. I know at my airport it houses the Port Authority helicopters and some rescue Helos. Someone actually attempted to get those banned from the skies here in NJ, but the case never went to court as the Judge felt that those helos were necessary to help others.

other commmunities, I'm sure, could propose to the FAA that their townships be "no fly zones" but it might take more than 6 months to take effect due to the changes in sectionals.

It also will affect the gas situation, going around an area is aggravating enough. Or possibly, if the community decides to, they might be able to hire a new type of ATC, that will direct pilots on a "quiet" path away from the community, but still on course. As long as we're at odds with each other, nothing's going to get done.

Jungmann
09-15-2005, 08:27 PM
Most airports/airbases were built on the edge or outside of towns, back in the day. The towns have grown up around them. Costs too much to move the airports. Rock and a hard place--people need places to live. No easy answer.

My father-in-law was General Manager of LAX in the 70's to the 90's. Two hundred homeowners complained to City Hall when LAX extended its parallel runways to handle 747s. My father-in-law bought their 200 homes and bulldozed them. Go look at the west end of LAX--it's now nothing but sand dunes and beach. One solution.

Cheers,

Udidtoo
09-15-2005, 09:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
It's hardly a new phenomenon. In the late sixties, people moving to the Phoenix and Tucson areas (shortly after the invention of effective air conditioning) complained quite a bit about the jets flying out of Luke and Davis-Monthan, bases established long before these ingrates decided to move west. One of the worst cases was the Sun City development in Peoria, Arizona that was apparently built directly under the approach to Luke's runway.

What really stuck in my craw was that a large percentage of these complainers were military retirees who moved there because of the proximity of these bases' military hospitals (retirees received free medical care at military hospitals back then) and comissaries...

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

An all these years later and nothings changed. When the new development for Sun City Grand started about 5 years ago the area is so popular that people came from all over the U.S. and Canada to bid on lots and choose from several house models.

When they went to look at lots the F-16's were flying over their heads. When they went to join the new Golf course there 'prior' to the links being built those boys and girls flying out of Luke were over head.When they went to place their bids guess what? yep same same.

As soon as they have a full membership on their Owners associations they start a petition to get flight patterns altered. Pequito problemo. Its been altered so many times and so many over night sub divisions have sprung up that there isn't anywhere left for the flights to be altered to.

We live 85 miles NNW of Luke in a rural area where at night most of the time the only sound is Coyotes. Accept for when they start a mock night engagement directly over our home. Usually its in the day and after the 1st couple of months we learned to hang pictures more securely. The wife's cat still freaks but its all good. See we knew that we were buying land directly on one of their most trafficked flight patterns. Land was cheaper because of it.

Now we could go all anal like Baldie blows hard about further up the thread or we could make popcorn and enjoy the show. Its pretty cool when they are popping chaff and flares at the same time. You wouldn't believe how poorly made(well Huggy would) those flare canisters/rocket tubes are. And small. I watched to many MacGyver's Some old Desert rats bring them into Nina's folks bar for conversations pieces and they look like they were made by the 'special kids'for art projects. Makes sense though. Why invest high tech prices on something that gets used up so fast.

FritzGryphon
09-15-2005, 09:47 PM
Baldie, maybe if you talk to your mayor, he'll have the runway moved for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BaldieJr
09-15-2005, 10:30 PM
Dont get personal, just put a frikken muffler on your plane.

You guys dont get mad when hondas cruise around making boom-boom explosions? We passed y2k 5 years ago. How come I gotta listen to noise and I still don't have a frikken robot?

Enforcer572005
09-16-2005, 02:09 AM
UM, with all due respect, where are pilots supposed to get these majic mufflers? And since when are private planes so loud? Man those things can barely be heard from inside, even on take-off, unless some guy in a homebuilt is buzzing your house, and that is already illegal in populated areas.

When I was doing photography for a small museum at the CArtersville airport (GA. USA), they had a B-25J, an A-26, and an S-2, as well as a C-119. Now they didnt fly that much, but whenever they turned over the engines on any of that stuff there were a million complaints from subdivisions built since the airport was built WAY out in the sticks. Too bad. they can move, PLanes were there first. The Learjet business there also got complaints-never mind the money it brought in.

Same wiht military bases. Such complaints should be totally ignored when it comes to the military-To the complainers I always ask; "were they ours?" Those people who want to "rest" wouldnt be able to if not for such aircraft defending the airspace over thier head for 6 decades.

I also am a bit confused as to why some wiht so much contempt for aviation would mess with a combat flight sim, just as i am also curious as to why some pacifists do so. Not insulting anyone, Im just a bit confused over that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If someone wants seclusion, there are plenty of cheap places to live that are away from everything, especially out west.How about Montana? Opps, theres that blasted USAF base.

if light planes bug someone, then cars will to. THis is the 21st century, and we dont live in an agricutltural based society anymore. Everything is already muffled as much as it can be to any practical standard. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

My old bumper sticker: JET NOISE-SOUND OF FREEDOM.

Zjoek
09-16-2005, 08:23 AM
Cut BaldieJr some slack people, he has the right to give his opinion like everyone else here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well I have also lived near a small airfield for the greater part of my life. The most part were just Cessna's flying around. Quite low too. But they really don't make much noise... A 737 going over is another story. But single engine planes are really not that loud. Traffic is worse!

But the people on the website complain about aerobatics over their house. I've never experienced that, but it might be annoying... (offcourse I'd rather go out and watch, but that's me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif