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Taylortony
08-02-2005, 04:01 PM
Hope everyone got out ok and are safe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2005, 04:18 PM
so far they are saying all 291 ppl survived

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2005, 04:22 PM
www.ctv.ca (http://www.ctv.ca) can keep you posted

Taylortony
08-02-2005, 04:23 PM
Yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Watching it on TV now, Thank God http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The A340 is dog food though..

harryklein66
08-02-2005, 04:25 PM
there is a God some times http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2005, 04:25 PM
personally, im not concerned about the plane tho, just the ppl who were on it

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2005, 04:29 PM
on the above link i gave, theres a interview with a survivor of the crash

Taylortony
08-02-2005, 04:29 PM
I am not concerned about the plane either, just saying it's had it, but as said Thank God everone is safe..............

You can rebuild a plane no matter how bad it is, but you can't fix a human being...

VW-IceFire
08-02-2005, 04:45 PM
I live about 40 minutes from where this all happened. I've traveled that stretch of Highway 401 (which is a major highway with collector lanes) countless times and this is all really quite close to home for me.

I've been scanning the bands as they say...the CNN feed, CBC, CTV, CH, and CityTV. The local news stations are actually very much world class and they are doing an excellent job at tracking down the news. According to CityTV, a local Toronto based station, the reports are that many or all the passengers were evacuated from the plane before the fire engulfed the rear section of the plane.

The reports are that the plane came down in a "Red Alert" situation where all ground traffic is halted and that everything is put into a holding pattern.

They are speculating that the pilot was very low on fuel and had to come down. Eyewitness and passenger reports are that the plane was hit by lightning, that the lights went out (presumably an electrical failure), that the plane hit the runway very hard...the tires failed, and that the pilot used thrust reversers on some or all engines (speculation that not all the reversers worked) to try and slow it down. The plane hit the end of the runway and went into the Etobicoke creek (which is a small ravine).

It seems like its a miracle and we haven't heard of any dead. It looked terrible when I first saw the smoke on TV...but everyone I think is hoping for the best.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2005, 04:50 PM
rgr i was watching the news and there was actually an explosion about 15-20 minutes into the crash, its on a highway cam, i wonder if the ntsb will rewind the images from the beginning and see what happened

VW-IceFire
08-02-2005, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_Prop:
rgr i was watching the news and there was actually an explosion about 15-20 minutes into the crash, its on a highway cam, i wonder if the ntsb will rewind the images from the beginning and see what happened
Yeah...I'm wondering if the COMPASS cameras (which are normally for highway traffic monitoring - available on the web BTW) caught the whole thing or if they were turned away at the time.

The NTSB isn't likely to be much involved with this. The Transportation Safety Board of Canada probably will.

Freelancer-1
08-02-2005, 04:58 PM
I couldn't figure out what the burning smell was as I left my apt. a little while ago.

Then I get a call from my mom at the other end of the country. All worried as she knows I live within a stones throw of the airport. So I fire up the tube and see what looks like for sure a whole lot of death and destruction.

Thanks to the wonderfully trained flight attendents everyone got off the plane with only 14 minor injuries. It's great to see what could have been a major loss of life averted.

Planes can be replaced but people can't.

Freelancer

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2005, 05:14 PM
as far as i know, the ntsb will be a major player in this incident as its in north america, so will the canadian board too, theyll collaborate info

LStarosta
08-02-2005, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
I am not concerned about the plane either, just saying it's had it, but as said Thank God everone is safe..............

You can rebuild a plane no matter how bad it is, but you can't fix a human being...

I agree with your sentiments, but no, you can't rebuild a totalled plane and expect to fly it. It's illegal. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GuNzABlaZiN
08-02-2005, 05:56 PM
I live about 30 minutes East of Pearson, there is also a weird burnt plastic smell in my apt. Good thing everyone got out okay.

Taylortony
08-02-2005, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
but no, you can't rebuild a totalled plane and expect to fly it. It's illegal. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Actually you can, there is no reason why not, To write an Aircraft off it is a financial thing and is to do with the cost of rebuilding it, As an Aircraft Engineer there is nothing to stop me buying a write off and rebuilding it, have done so in the past and will do so in the future.
It is not like a car where you beat a wing out and fill it, to be honest the ones i have rebuilt in the past are better than new as I take the time to make it so, something a factory can never do. It just takes time the knowledge in what you are doing and skill.... no not bragging and wrong thread really, but as said the first item is the clincher...TIME and that costs money, therefore my time has a retail value and if i am doing it as a labour of love or a hobby then the true cost of it is no longer a commercial factor......... Have seen aircraft written off for want of a few hundred bucks worth of spares or the skill to do it, when labour is added that adds thousands and its history, where as If i did it myself then its a few hundred bucks in parts...........

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2005, 06:25 PM
right, but rebuilding an Airbus A340 from what remains after all is said and done, the cost per plane is millions upon millions of dollars

ploughman
08-03-2005, 05:11 AM
Do you guys remember Eastern Airlines Flight 401, an L-1011 that crashed in 1974ish in the Everglades. Well, spare parts were salvaged from the swamp, cleaned up, recertified and fitted on other aircraft in Eastern's fleet! This story is also quite famous because of the ghost of the engineer who allegedly haunted other Eastern aircraft that had spare parts from the doomed plane fitted.