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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:48 AM
I have recently bought IL-2 FB and dowloaded the patch 111_full.zip and unzippet into FB and want to make some comments about FB.

The IL-2 is to my opinion the best simulator soo far and have flewn many hours with IL-2 online game at HL. I havnt dared to join any online games with FB.

I think that IL-2 and FB would be much more interesting if it was a little more historical realistic.

For example the I-16 was used so long only because the Soviets where in short supply of aeroplanes. The IL-2 is whery good in IL-2 and better in FB quick mission builder. The Hurricane avoided combat with the Me-109E and attacked the bombers during the battle of britain, because the Hurricane was inferior to the Me, which is isnt in FB quick mission builder.

The figures are that over a long period, the german fighterpilots pro capita, shoot down more planes than any of their counterparts. This can be explained by many cause/outcome theories, the numbers stands for itself.

This facts annoys many and its shown in many historical books, like The WWII by Winston S Churchill. Im not given this any political color, I hate what the nazis did and stood for. I imterested in the men who flew, how they could endure.

Its easy to make "stupid notations" about this subjekt.
As a game developer I could give a certain plane good characteristics, and make other planes unstable, inaccurate, weakly armed and soft armoured. And if I am of the same opinon as the game developer, I can call those who writes abut this for whiners, and request them imature requesitions as, play tetris instead, learn to fly, burn your computer etc.


So why give the luftwaffe plane bad characteristics? The Soviet planes wasnt so bad that they need this handicap of the oponent.

The FB is an improvment of IL-2 and that is good but it would be much better if the LW planes was given its right caracteristics.



Message Edited on 09/11/03â 03:57PM by zugfuhrer

Message Edited on 09/11/0303:57PM by zugfuhrer

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:48 AM
I have recently bought IL-2 FB and dowloaded the patch 111_full.zip and unzippet into FB and want to make some comments about FB.

The IL-2 is to my opinion the best simulator soo far and have flewn many hours with IL-2 online game at HL. I havnt dared to join any online games with FB.

I think that IL-2 and FB would be much more interesting if it was a little more historical realistic.

For example the I-16 was used so long only because the Soviets where in short supply of aeroplanes. The IL-2 is whery good in IL-2 and better in FB quick mission builder. The Hurricane avoided combat with the Me-109E and attacked the bombers during the battle of britain, because the Hurricane was inferior to the Me, which is isnt in FB quick mission builder.

The figures are that over a long period, the german fighterpilots pro capita, shoot down more planes than any of their counterparts. This can be explained by many cause/outcome theories, the numbers stands for itself.

This facts annoys many and its shown in many historical books, like The WWII by Winston S Churchill. Im not given this any political color, I hate what the nazis did and stood for. I imterested in the men who flew, how they could endure.

Its easy to make "stupid notations" about this subjekt.
As a game developer I could give a certain plane good characteristics, and make other planes unstable, inaccurate, weakly armed and soft armoured. And if I am of the same opinon as the game developer, I can call those who writes abut this for whiners, and request them imature requesitions as, play tetris instead, learn to fly, burn your computer etc.


So why give the luftwaffe plane bad characteristics? The Soviet planes wasnt so bad that they need this handicap of the oponent.

The FB is an improvment of IL-2 and that is good but it would be much better if the LW planes was given its right caracteristics.



Message Edited on 09/11/03â 03:57PM by zugfuhrer

Message Edited on 09/11/0303:57PM by zugfuhrer

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:00 AM
You is wrong ,be sure /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:06 AM
LW planes need to be flown in a certain way to be effective. may I ask what experience you have with flightsimming?

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:19 AM
Please be a little more specific about what you think I am wrong about.

I have flown flightsims back and forth for ten years. I stared with Air Warrior continued with CFS1, but stopped fly on commmon servers because it was possible to build superplanes. I have flown at private servers with CFS1 and 2 and used the 1% planes, with friends who could guarantee no cheating.
As told earlier I have been flying IL2 at HL for a year.
Zug



Message Edited on 09/11/0304:29PM by zugfuhrer

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:29 AM
It's all been said soooooooooo many times on this forum. Does it realy have to be explained again?
Do a search through the old posts.

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:39 AM
unfortunately due do much whiners LW Planes are downforced.

But it will help to learn tactics /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Search in google for Hans Wind (finnish fighter pilot) this page contains a lot of good tactic information.

Snoopy

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:41 AM
I think it would be wise to fly a bit more before making any comments since you've just recently installed FB.

A lot of guys fly the German planes and have no problem downing those pesky Yak3s and La-5FNs.

F19_Choocky

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:43 AM
this borad is full of whines like you that plane is castrated that plane is uber each plane need to be flow in it own way just cos u can throw a yak around the sky doesnt mean that you can fly a 109 like that that needs a more experience and presise why of flying. the hurricane did bomber kill in the BoB but it could if needed take on the 109's as long as they didnt get pulled into a climb then and engaged in a turning fight then they could out turn the 109's that were used in the Bob.but you need to stop whineing and compareing the game in any way to old games unless you have certified, verified data and proof of this or have actually flown the planes that stop your whineing!

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 10:55 AM
I disagree with you Zugfuhrer. German planes in FB, when flown by a pilot who utilises their strenghts and avantages properly are more than a match for the VVS, US and British planes. Especially the FW 190.

I think you should spend some more time with the sim before you claim that German planes are undermodelled, that's all. Also, the AI cheats, so comparing AI VVS planes to a LW plane flown by the player doesn't give you the whole picture.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:00 AM
"The Hurricane avoided combat with the Me-109E and attacked the bombers during the battle of britain, because the Hurricane was inferior to the Me, which is isnt in FB quick mission builder."


although it is true the hurricane was inferior to the 109e in most respects it was still superior at turning - it avoided combat with fighters as spitfires were more manevarable - therfore more suitable to combat fighters.

the superior turn rate of the hurricane makes it superior to 109's when engaged in a turn fight - which is what the AI does in FB and IL2

when the 109 uses proper BnZ tactics it is far superior to the hurricane (perhaps it is only outgunned by the IIc - but then, what isn't?)

being in QMB or FMB or anything else doesn't make any difference to the planes performance.


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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:02 AM
It is correct that german planes need a pilot how knows the strength and weakness of the plane.

But you can see in the files from Ross Youss that a lot of german planes are undermodeld. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Snoopy

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:38 PM
Black.Six wrote:
- "The Hurricane avoided combat with the Me-109E and
- attacked the bombers during the battle of britain,
- because the Hurricane was inferior to the Me, which
- is isnt in FB quick mission builder."
-
-
- although it is true the hurricane was inferior to
- the 109e in most respects it was still superior at
- turning - it avoided combat with fighters as
- spitfires were more manevarable - therfore more
- suitable to combat fighters.
-
- the superior turn rate of the hurricane makes it
- superior to 109's when engaged in a turn fight -
- which is what the AI does in FB and IL2
-
- when the 109 uses proper BnZ tactics it is far
- superior to the hurricane (perhaps it is only
- outgunned by the IIc - but then, what isn't?)
-
- being in QMB or FMB or anything else doesn't make
- any difference to the planes performance.

Infact the Hurrie got more kill's in the BoB than the spitfire so it wasnt as outclassed as you may think.

Also the close grouping of the guns on the hurrie made it more suited to killing bombers than the spit.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 09:36 AM
I have made some tests with the Me F and G. It wont reach its maxspeed at sealevel, not at levelflight. Ive tested it with different prop-pitch, radiator-settings, fuelmixture. Reduce the top-speed with 100-80 km/h.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 10:07 AM
zugfuhrer wrote:
- I have made some tests with the Me F and G. It wont
- reach its maxspeed at sealevel, not at levelflight.
- Ive tested it with different prop-pitch,
- radiator-settings, fuelmixture. Reduce the top-speed
- with 100-80 km/h.

It`s the testing of it in a QMB environment that matters. I always feel this is a mistake. You need to fly it PROPERLY against AIs in Campaign, or better still in online battles.

It`s so obvious that your claim are somewhat unproved, as any pilot who`s flown FB (patched) knows that flying the Hurricane in early 40s is quite a battle especially if caught low and is almost suicide in `43-45. Also German planes are now a real challenge to take down if flown by reasonably accurate airmen.

You really should listen to the advice here.

p.s If you want to fly the anti-grav, high climbing unrealistic Hurricane, uninstall the patch and fly the boxed version of the sim. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 09/16/0309:12AM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 06:44 PM
10 YEARS OF FLIGHT SIMMS? WHAT SIMM 10 YEARS AGO?
HELLCATS OVER THE PACIFIC?

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 06:53 PM
I love the hurri but after the 1.111 patch it is seems more realistic than before. It is definetly not some sort of super plane any more. It feels like what I would imagine it was. A good slow and steady plane with a nice turn rate and great bomber killing fire power. It isn't fast and doesn't have a great climb rate. If you have trouble taking out an AI hurricane then you need to switch to boom and zoom or get in plane that turns atleast as well. The Yak-3, LA-7, FW190-D9, and BF109-K4 now those are some killer planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif but not the poor little 1941 hurricane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.


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RichardI
09-16-2003, 07:13 PM
FB is not a simulator, it's a game.
If you want a simulator, try FS9.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:39 PM
I don't quite get this. I read all these threads about how anemic the LW planes are. I fly the 109 F's and G's almost exclusively (mostly the G2) and I almost never feel outclassed by my WS opponent. Naturally, if I go up against a very good, experienced pilot, he's going to make me look silly but I have never gotten the impression it's because my plane is inferior to his.

I honestly don't get this criticism of the LW aircraft.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 08:25 PM
snomhf wrote:
- I don't quite get this. I read all these threads
- about how anemic the LW planes are. I fly the 109
- F's and G's almost exclusively (mostly the G2) and I
- almost never feel outclassed by my WS opponent.
- Naturally, if I go up against a very good,
- experienced pilot, he's going to make me look silly
- but I have never gotten the impression it's because
- my plane is inferior to his.
-
- I honestly don't get this criticism of the LW
- aircraft.

Try playing VEF, and 109 F-2 and downing I-16 and Lagg3s /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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