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ninjaMuffin1976
04-03-2008, 06:17 AM
Hi im very new to this game,i have about 5 hours flying time and im really badly in need of some help/tips.

For some reason the 3 planes ive used all tend to start turning right,only slightly but it makes it impossible to use time compression
Is there a way i can fix this so i can fly about on the map better?

Can i set my own waypoints,the auto pilot dosnt have a problem with flying level at x4 or x8 the only problem is it seems the suto pilot is very single minded,so im thinking if i can set my own way points maybe i can make my life easier.



Ok that will do for now and i really hope you guys can help.


Edit: im using keys as i need a new joystick.

ninjaMuffin1976
04-03-2008, 06:17 AM
Hi im very new to this game,i have about 5 hours flying time and im really badly in need of some help/tips.

For some reason the 3 planes ive used all tend to start turning right,only slightly but it makes it impossible to use time compression
Is there a way i can fix this so i can fly about on the map better?

Can i set my own waypoints,the auto pilot dosnt have a problem with flying level at x4 or x8 the only problem is it seems the suto pilot is very single minded,so im thinking if i can set my own way points maybe i can make my life easier.



Ok that will do for now and i really hope you guys can help.


Edit: im using keys as i need a new joystick.

flyingloon
04-03-2008, 07:26 AM
hey ninjamuffin, welcome to the forums. the turning right thing is down to torque, the planes need rudder trim to fly straight. try one of the jets and you'll see that there is a lack of torque pulling you to one side.

you really need to get a joystick though, a twisty stick one so you have the additional axis for rudder control. i'd say this is truly essential. keys just aren't right for flying.

i'd suggest looking in the nuggets thread for lots of useful info, tips and links. others folk will be along to offer more/better help shortly.

ninjaMuffin1976
04-03-2008, 07:38 AM
Thanks for the quick reply

My other problem atm is everyone else seems to be faster than me,im currently doing the RAF missions in japan and im in a hurricaine.
I cant even catch bombers,its soul destroying,ive tried diving to get speed but then i loose altitude and it takes so long to get back.
Also with keys i have to bounce the enemys into target and slow the game down to 1/4 just to get a kill.
I think at the weekend ill try get a joystick.

Im playing the 1946 DVD but what i really would like is a recomendation of which career to select for the best planes to fly just so i can get used to the game.

What are the best planes to get a feel for flying?

chicondaman
04-03-2008, 07:59 AM
Yeah, def get a joystick. I rock a inexpensive Saitek AV8R.

Also, as mentioned, read the "Nuggets Guide to Getting Off the Ground" thread that is pinned to the main forum page. Read it now and then re-read it once a month. It's great.

I would personally recommend the p-40M for learning to fly because the torque is not as much of an issue and it has all three trims (rudder, aleiron, elevator). Plus it is very stable. The ball stays centered by itself most of the time so you don't have to worry as much bout twisting the stick to keep it centered.

And be ready to crash a lot. I've been playing a lot for close to a year now and I still die more than kill (offline and on). And practiceX3. Just last night I went to Quick Mission BUilder, B239 brewster vs 2 random 1939 bombers (friendly so they wouldn't shoot at me). Then I just practiced boom and zoom targeting for like 30 minutes.

I just read this targeting thing yesterday on simhq: http://www.simhq.com/_air/air.html

The article "IL-2 Series Training: Part 5: Fundementals of Gunnery" It was A-Mazing when it was explaining how to use your gunsight to determine angle off. All this time I just guess at how to lead the target when I should of been using the sight for what it's designed for!!

Good luck man! Have fun!

flyingloon
04-03-2008, 08:08 AM
no worries. um the hurricane... are you chasing g4ms or ki-21's? hurricanes aren't the fastest out there, and it could simply be that the bombers you are chasing are actually as fast or faster. make sure and get plenty of height before heading to intercept them, if you know where there target is gain height over that and wait for them, or patrol the area that they have to pass through to return home.

i think you may be better of getting some time in the quick mission builder, rather than a campaign, to get the feel for some planes. set the enemy to the big russian bombers, TB3's, or ju52's - nice slow targets - and take up 109's, 190's, il2's, hurri's, spit's, f4u's... any you like the look of basically. they all handle differently so it's probably pretty much as long as it's short what you learn on. i have seen the il2 series recommended as ones to get used to flying. try out a couple of the jets as well for just fun. but yeah, joystick - priority. as you've identified, shooting is nigh on impossible with keyboard, it just lacks accuracy and well... anything you'd look for in a controller.

Mercwolf2
04-03-2008, 08:15 AM
First off your plane's speed will be affected by climbing and if yuur plane is trimmed out. Look Up AOA (angle of attack) and read about it. This will describe your trim and the effect it has on your plane. Second AI planes are flown by the computer who is perfect when it comes to aircraft setup. He will always fly faster than you in an equal plane. Do not get frustrated just keep practicing. Attacking bombers is best done from a higher altitude. You dive down on the bomber attack and run then gain more altitude and repeat. Try not to attack a bomber from the back if at all possible as AI gunners are deadly. That is why you need speed as it helps throw off the AI gunners in bombers. Hope this helps

DmdSeeker
04-03-2008, 09:26 AM
Planes turn in the opposite direction to which thier propelloers turn. This is due to torque: the plane is turning the propelloer, but the propellor pushes back and turns the plane too, a bit.

This can be trimmed out using airliron trim, but by no means all planes have this.

You mention that this means you can't use time compression.

This implies you're flying off line. Off line, you can use auto pilot when speeding the game up or when in time compression. It's the "A" key, by default.

chicondaman
04-03-2008, 09:37 AM
Another good time compression is default "\" key. It will autopilot for you and the screen will go black with a clock ticking in the corner. You can hit the same key again to stop it and be back flying your plane. OR it will switch back to your plane automatically at waypoints or if enemy is nearby.

I use this a lot in offline campaigns where I just keep hitting the key until it says enemy nearby then I'm straight into the action.

ninjaMuffin1976
04-03-2008, 03:57 PM
Thanks guys some really good tips there and some nice links.
I also tried out the mission builder to test fly some planes and while doing it i found the no cockpit control by chance,it takes alot of the atmosphere from the game but makes it alot easier to to find planes and the gunsight also helps.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Another good time compression is default "\" key. It will autopilot for you and the screen will go black with a clock ticking in the corner. You can hit the same key again to stop it and be back flying your plane. OR it will switch back to your plane automatically at waypoints or if enemy is nearby. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The \ does nothing in my game,can you tell me what the control is so maybe i can apply it to my game as it sounds great,watching the auto pilot on x8 isnt much fun and this function would really help save me some time.

Also ive just done a mission and i had to bomb somthing,i say somthing as there was nothing there,i flew over where it was supposed to be but it was just a flat green surface,once i flew over it my waypoint changed so i let the auto pilot fly and it took me to the next way point i then let it fly me home and ten mins later still no mission complete.
It said in the breifing that there would be lots of targets in AK 21 but all i saw was a very small and very lonely tree,is it a known bug?

Also do the careers follow events historicaly?

I ask as ive probly got a 85% success rate in missions but were down to one base,were effectivly being wiped from the map.
Does it matter how well i do in the missions as it dosnt seem to be affecting the battle field at all


As always thanks for any help

Zeus-cat
04-03-2008, 04:11 PM
First of all, you MUST have a joystick to play this game.

Download my training campaign, "Straight From the Farm". There is no official training for this sim, so my campaign is sorta the unofficial one. It is mentioned in the Nugget's Guide. It shows you how to takeoff and land on grass and then on a carrier. It also shows you some important functions that you need to map.

AS far as campaigns go, the dynamic ones can be influenced by the player. If you AND your squadron do well, you change history. Static campaigns like the ones I (and all users) make are fixed and nothing you do will change the missions. Historial campaigns are also fixed and you do not influence the result.

chicondaman
04-03-2008, 05:01 PM
Hmm, for me the \ key is mapped to "Time Skip" in the controls section. I have 1946 though. What patch level are you running? 4.08?

Or are you maybe running only what came out of the box?

ninjaMuffin1976
04-04-2008, 06:45 AM
Thanks guys

Ill try the landing sim and see how i do atm though im really struggling in my dynamic RAF vs japan.
in 29 days were down to a tiny corner of the map and for the last 15 days ive been in a time warp of escort bombers to the far corner of the map and strike a nearby base,its been escort&gt;strike&gt;escort&gt;strike with the strike target changing somtimes but the escort is always the one that goes over all the enemy AAA and is as far away as any target can be,i have unlimited fuel and ammo so the strike one isnt a problem or so you would think.
I never get mission completed even though all my guys say target destroyed and i spend a futher 10 mins real time carpet bombing the whole area where the icon is just to make sure,i let auto pilot take me back to base but all it says is mission over and every day we loose ground.
Im currently squadron leader and every flight my guys get KIA or MIA as the way points are over AAA so im wondering if thats the problem as i take crazy losses every mission.
Ive tried going around the AAA and taking my own route so they dont get shot down but then 90% of the time they get a command from the base saying come home so i suppose thats cus of fuel im not sure really.

I think the only thing i can do is start another one but id like to know what ive done wrong on this one really as i have an insane amount of ground kills somwhere in the region of 300 in about 30 missions,you would think after that we would get some ground back.

So maybe i could get some campaign advice.

Ive read a few of the forum posts and it seems the biggest part of the game seems to be online action but id really like to get the offline side down as i got this game on recomendation for the career option after playing silent hunter 3.

Also thanks i found the option called time skip but it seems to take as long as auto pilot x8 just without the engine noise which is good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was kinda hoping it would just skip to events but without the wait.

Anyway thanks as always for the input guys im going to go back and see if i can break this continual loop of strike&gt;escortstrike ect ect

stathem
04-04-2008, 08:32 AM
I'd really recommend picking up ZeusCat's Straight From the Farm campaign he linked to above, but also stopping by the rest of the Mission4Today site and getting some other user made campaigns from there.

I personally found the default, automatically generated campaigns a little boring as well - I was brought up on the static campaigns in the first Il2. The user made static campaigns you find on M4T will usually have been put together with a lot of thought about storyline and variety of mission - and so long as you're not bothered about changing history, will be probably more to your taste.

ninjaMuffin1976
04-04-2008, 09:09 AM
Thanks,i`ll give the mt4 missions ago but if i dont have much success i think ill just take a break and wait till i have a joystick and see if its any more fun.
I hate to say it as so many people seem to like it but it seems to me realism owned fun in this game,im sure the online side of this game is alot better but then online play always is.

I think the other problem with me is ive spent alot of last year playing X3:reunion a space sim and im just to used to flying in space,i think the last non jet non space sim i played was knight of the sky.

Anyway downloads done so thanks to all who helped maybe ill be back again thirsty for more,if not goodluck and all the best.

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-04-2008, 09:35 AM
Yeah, you will have more fun with a joystick, this game is up there in the realism department and there's no way you can be an effective pilot without the proper control input. Once you have a stick you'll have more fun, and yes, online play is a blast, even if you're getting your @$$ shot off 99% of the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Also, once you get a stick and if you have the time I highly recommend www.joint-ops.com (http://www.joint-ops.com) it's an online flight school that will teahc you a lot, great for noobs and veterans alike, great bunch of instructors and lots of fun.

Xiolablu3
04-04-2008, 12:11 PM
The RAF vs Japan campaign is very tedious IMO, the missions are soooo long and boring.

There is a way to edit you config.ini file to make missions shorter distances. This way you should never have to use autopilot or timeskip again.

In your Il2 folder there is a file called conf.ini

Add these 2 lines to it :-

[dgen]

MissionDistance=40

The number can be any number of miles you like, 40 or 50 means after climbing to combat hieght, you are usually straight into the action. I'm not sure what happens if there is sea inbetween you and the enemy, I have only used it in Europe.

I would recommend flying the German fighter campain South and use Missiondistance=50 for a action packed game.

The Germans have overwhemling planes vs the Russian in 1941-42 with the Bf109F4/G2 and Fw190A4 so you should have it easier. Of course you still have to use historical tactics to stay on top, the I16's can easily outturn you on the horizontal, but they are far slower and cannot climb at all compared to a Bf109F.

Just remember to pick your planes in the selection screen for your future theatres, you can plan out what planes you get in each theatre, when you get there. Then pick the first theatre and start.

Oh, and you NEED a joystick. If you have a gameport on your soundcard or motherboard then a Microsoft Force Feedback Pro is a bargain buy off ebay, they are selling for around 15.