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Sturm_Williger
12-15-2005, 04:50 AM
Ok, here's the question.
In Game, the Allies generally have WEP that kicks in automatically when above 100% and you don't need to even use the "W" key.
I haven't a clue what methods the Japanese and Russians use.
In game, the LW have at least 3 kinds of WEP.

GM1, MW50 and Erhote Notleisting.

Some of these require specific altitudes and/or to be engaged at idle.

I've read that the one's required to be engaged at idle only "work" when your throttle goes over 100%.

Can some expert please explain to me which is which, whether this is true for all or not.
I'd hate to find that I'm using all my "special juice" up before even entering combat because I've turned it on on the ground.

I know for instance that the GM1 only works above 9000m in the Ta152 - what happens if the Wep is still engaged if you drop below 9000m ? Does it automatically switch to MW50 ? If you turn it off and on at 8950m, does it swap to MW50 ? Do you need to be at idle to do this ?
And do the Japanese versions function similarly ?

Sorry if this is obvious to most of you, but I've never seen it comprehensively explained.

TIA
Sturm

robban75
12-15-2005, 05:16 AM
Fw 190A-5/6/8/9, F-8 and D-9 '44 uses Erh√¬∂ten Notleistung. It can be activated at any RPM, and it seems to give an enhanced effect at all throttle settings, not just above 100%.

The Fw 190D-9 '45, Ta 152H-1, Bf 109G6/AS,G-10/14 and K-4 uses MW50. Press the "W" key whenever power is below 100%. Otherwise engine will be damaged. MW50 kicks in when power goes above 100%.

The Ta 152H-1(and one of the 109E's?) uses GM1. GM1 is activated above 9000m. If you drop below 9000m and press the "W" key, it will switch to MW50. Keep throttle below 100% when you do the switch, otherwise engine will sustain damage. I haven't noticed if the engine is damaged if GM1 is used below 9000. But I don't think so. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Xiolablu3
12-15-2005, 05:27 AM
The engine is definitely damaged on the 109E with GM under 6000m, I have done it many rimes in my early days and been confused why my engine died.

After around a minute of use under 6000, your engine will be screwed.

robban75
12-15-2005, 05:38 AM
Well, after a quick test, it seems that using GM1 below 9000m doesn't damage the Ta 152 at all. Actually, it's slightly faster at SL with GM1 than MW50. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

JG53Frankyboy
12-15-2005, 05:46 AM
german planes:

-erh√¬∂hte Notleistung of Fw190A5-9 , D9'44
.brings more power at all powersetrtings
.can be activated at all powersettings
.can be used till the fuel tank is emtpy - because it nothing more than an additonal fuel injection

-erh√¬∂hte Notleistung of Fw190F-8
.more power output only below 1000m

-MW50 of Bf109 and D9'45 , Ta152
.brings more power only above 100% powersetting
.should be activatet/deactivated at very low setting (to be sure as best at 0%) , otherwise you will damage your engine
.it HAS to be deactivated when the fluid id empty
.Fw&Ta have fluid for 35minutes use in total
.Bf109 have fluid for 26min

-GM1 in Bf109E-7Z
.activate it ONLY above 6000m !! activatet below that alt will damage your engine


japanese planes:

-notleisung of A5M3,5,5a,6b,7-63
.brings more power at all powersettings
.can be activated at all powersettings
.can be used till the fuel tank is emtpy - because it nothing more than an additonal fuel injection


-Wather methanol of A6M5c & 7-62
.brings more power at all powersettings
.can be activated at all powersettings
.can be used for 18minutes in total

-wather methanol of Ki84 &Ki-100
.brings more power at all powersettings
.can be activated at all powersettings
.can be used till the fuel tank is emtpy <- strange but it is so in game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Sturm_Williger
12-15-2005, 05:50 AM
Thanks guys

Is there a HUD message when the MW50 fluid is exhausted ?

JG53Frankyboy
12-15-2005, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
Thanks guys

Is there a HUD message when the MW50 fluid is exhausted ?

no, you have to watch the manifold pressure gauge - it drops dramaticly when the fluid is empty in the german planes.

the Zeros have a gauge , were the left MG in the cockpit is in the earlier models

Sturm_Williger
12-15-2005, 06:56 AM
Ah cr@p ! Another gauge to learn ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks mate - up till now I could get away with just using fuel and temp gauges ( speedbar is your friend ).

I probably usually die before the fluid runs out though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Xiolablu3
12-15-2005, 12:30 PM
Lol, I dont htink I have ever run out of MW50 mixture in my life and I use it a lot.

Says a lot for the length of my sorties!

Maybe I just didnt notice? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IL2-chuter
12-15-2005, 12:53 PM
MW50 would give an extra 4% at ANY given power setting. I've noticed that at any power setting switching water on and off gives a very definate change in engine note. I've never hurt my engine engaging/disengaging water at 95% . . . I do it all the time.

"Well, after a quick test, it seems that using GM1 below 9000m doesn't damage the Ta 152 at all. Actually, it's slightly faster at SL with GM1 than MW50." quoted from above.

LOL. How the heck do you run a "test" like that. You must be really good.

fighter_966
12-15-2005, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
Ok, here's the question.
In Game, the Allies generally have WEP that kicks in automatically when above 100% and you don't need to even use the "W" key.
I haven't a clue what methods the Japanese and Russians use.
In game, the LW have at least 3 kinds of WEP.

GM1, MW50 and Erhote Notleisting.

Some of these require specific altitudes and/or to be engaged at idle.

I've read that the one's required to be engaged at idle only "work" when your throttle goes over 100%.

Can some expert please explain to me which is which, whether this is true for all or not.
I'd hate to find that I'm using all my "special juice" up before even entering combat because I've turned it on on the ground.

I know for instance that the GM1 only works above 9000m in the Ta152 - what happens if the Wep is still engaged if you drop below 9000m ? Does it automatically switch to MW50 ? If you turn it off and on at 8950m, does it swap to MW50 ? Do you need to be at idle to do this ?
And do the Japanese versions function similarly ?

Sorry if this is obvious to most of you, but I've never seen it comprehensively explained.

TIA
Sturm
Iam makeing an essee about the topic. Ill look my files through and see what I can Find..try
Google and put DB605 to search that would help..

robban75
12-16-2005, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by IL2-chuter:
"Well, after a quick test, it seems that using GM1 below 9000m doesn't damage the Ta 152 at all. Actually, it's slightly faster at SL with GM1 than MW50." quoted from above.

LOL. How the heck do you run a "test" like that. You must be really good.

No problems actually, start at 10,000m, engage GM1, dive for the deck. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

And my bad on the speed thing, the Ta 152 isn't faster with GM1 than with MW50, it all depends on what altitude one is flying at. at 3m altitude the plane is several km/h slower than at 6 or 7 meters. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

fighter_966
12-16-2005, 06:46 AM
There is new information and detailed analysis
of theGM1 and Mw50 boosting systems at this
address:www.bf109.com/engine.html