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Stingray-65
07-18-2006, 04:57 PM
Interesting:
MSN article on the Hunley (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13870913/?GT1=8307)

Southerners from the USA (or the CSA during that time to be exact) were the 1st in history to sink an enemy warship with a submarine.

Stingray-65
07-18-2006, 04:57 PM
Interesting:
MSN article on the Hunley (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13870913/?GT1=8307)

Southerners from the USA (or the CSA during that time to be exact) were the 1st in history to sink an enemy warship with a submarine.

KaleunFreddie
07-18-2006, 05:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stingray-65:
... "inbred redneck idiots". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure Robert E... would agree with you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, but then would tell you that they were more accurate than their 'northern' neighbours...

"Who's your Daddy Now" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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U301
07-18-2006, 06:47 PM
I suppose looking back at History we all have 20/20 vision.
I would not categorize all guys from the South as rednecks!
There are a lot of good people in that country and elsewhere.
But if you would like to tell us what any African has done for Medicine, Politics, Science, Literture, The Arts, Industry or Travel it might shed some light on the mentality of those guys in their little Hunly mico boat.
Y'all tell me now!
KUrtz.

Stingray-65
07-19-2006, 10:31 AM
Hmmm OK, I see somehow I was partially quoted from my pre-editted post. Funny, I editted it immediately after, thinking better of what I had originally said... because I realized someone was gonna take it the wrong way.

What I had originally posted was that "sadly, Southerners in the USA are often stereotyped as being inbred redneck idiots". I would know, I'm a Southerner & I hate how the majority of the world (especially Hollywood) labels everyone here as that without taking into consideration that you cannot force everyone into one category simply because of where they live. This is the same problem as categorizing all WWII-era Germans as "evil nazis". And just for the record, The U.S. Civil War was not entirely about slavery, just like the Allies of WWII weren't solely fighting to save Jews.

@U301
African-Americans HAVE contributed a GREAT deal to the world in all the fields you mentioned. No-one said or implied that they didn't. Many prominent people of my state are African-American.

Celeon999
07-19-2006, 11:11 AM
Ah yes the Hunley. I saw a docu about her latey. Very innovative for its time i bet the enemy ship crew was real shocked http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


I also saw a docu about a special mini-sub that was build by the british to sink the Tirpitz. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It was nearly the same principle like the mission of the Hunley : The mini-sub was supposed to sneak into the harbour where the Tirpitz was , get close to it and attach a huge amount of explosives with a timer. (The hunley used a explosive device that was triggered with a rope from the distance)


But the british sub couldnt get as close as they planned.

They interviewed one the veteran crew member of the sub and he said :

"As we came closer to the Tirpitz we suddenly had contact with the torpedo net around her"



"That was no surprise we saw it on the photos in our briefing so it was planned to dive deeper and deeper to get under the net and slip into the protection circle around the Tirpitz but.....well deeper and deeper and suddenly we were at the bottom and the net was still on our hull"

"I said to myself : We should had known it!"

"It was typical german , everyone else would had said ok ok a 10 meter deep swimming net is enough to stop even air dropped torpedoes but not the germans....their net was going down all the way to the bottom"

"Just like they expected such an undertaking from us" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bucketlung
07-19-2006, 11:21 AM
The Hunley was certainly a dangerous boat for its crew. How they got guys to sail on that thing is unbelievable.

It will be interesting to see if they can piece together a reasonable explanation of what happened. Even if they opened the hatch to do something and it started taking in water at least a few of the crew should have gotten out.

Celeon999
07-19-2006, 11:30 AM
Maybe they underestimated the blast power and range of the explosion underwater and its steel hull was slightly deformed by that.

This might have pushed the hatch door out of lock a bit or better said the hull itself squezed the door out of lock and water started to come in. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

brewens
07-19-2006, 10:11 PM
If I remember right they had lost one crew and captain in a training accident. They raised it, hosed it out and got a new crew.
One theory is that they didn't realize the concussion of the blast would travel so efficiently through the water and were not far enough away.

Gmuno
07-20-2006, 02:43 AM
Maybe they were far enough away for the blast of the charge, but an ammo storrage from the Unions ship blew up too.