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mjr_health
03-15-2005, 06:59 PM
seems that we have no end of experts out there which is fine. I am not doubting the fact that a lot of planes / effect are over / undermodeled, i am just tired of the complaints. Oleg and his boys have given us the best dam flying sim that we have had the chance to play and still we are not happy. Oleg has given us the best he can give with current tecnology, i am no programmer but would hate to think how hard it would be to simulate airflow over a wing then model how it affects an aircraft and actually make it happen realisicly then inclue 30 planes all at the same time. That must take some processing power. I love this game, and yes i have flow'n CFS3 and got tired of it. Si I would like to be one of the few ( have read other posts ) to thank Oleg and his crew, job well done and plese just give the best you can.

FlatSpinMan
03-15-2005, 07:28 PM
I totally agree.
Also, thanks to everyone who contributes to the community - skinners, mission makers and so on.the amount of work people put into making this game, supporting it and extending it is phenomenal.
This is a great game, we should all remember that. If you are unhappy just uninstall it and give your copy to someone who might appreciate it.


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FlatSpinMan - unabashed Il2 series Fanboy

Simmer2005
03-15-2005, 07:44 PM
Correct. It almosts seems like the experts here have done this for real in WWII. The fifties are not correct. The 109 should out turn this and this should do this. My question as before, how do they they know or sure. Must have been there I guess.
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Everyone needs to remember that this is a game ment for enjoyment. If you are not enjoying it then do something else.

My hat is off to Oleg and his team not only for this fine sim but dealing with all of the experts that they do.

If realism is what everyone wants, then build a time machine and go back in time and do it for real, otherwise, just play the sim and stop complaining about what you think is wrong because you read it somewhere.
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VW-IceFire
03-15-2005, 08:34 PM
Don't let the discussions get to you. Some of them are legitimate and well thought out...others are just the usual droning on.

Most Spitfire discussions are like that...they replace the old La-7 overmodeled discussions that used to pervade the forums. I haven't seen a good one of those in a while!

F19_Ob
03-16-2005, 04:58 AM
"In many cases there is no way to tell if a plane got shot down because of piloting or the performance of the plane."
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The main problem in this issue is feelings and incorrect testing and thinking-methods.

I have by my own sheer interest explored and done my own testing for years now, but its just not enough by a longshot.
I still haven't flown any of them for real and thus cant compare regardless of how much I "want" to.

The interesting thing is that most pilots from the time cant either.
They knew their plane and maybe tested some of the enemy planes for a short moment but surely not enough to be familiar with it in fighting.

The numerous accounts in the litterature doesn't give any insight in if the opponent is a rookie or expert.
Was the opponents plane in top condition or worn?
Bounces really cant be counted because the bounced is on the extreeme disadvantage.

So in many cases there is no way to tell if a plane got shot down because of piloting or the performance of the plane.
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Online most are competitive people with their favorites and they hate when their favorites lose.
Even in best case it seems hard to give any credit to an opponent for their skill in piloting or shooting, especially if he/she is in an inferior plane.
This is in my opinion the biggest obstacle to overcome in any discussion about this issue because it lies on a deeper emotional level and no reasoning will beat feelings, (exept in theory).
A cause of million years of evolution as competitive beings where losing is not an option . It wont go away.

This would partly be an explanation why many online pilots are perfectly happy to be on the winning team with double or more players than the opposing team, and in better rides than the opposition. The risk to lose is small= safe= winning= psychological reward.
Winning is so important that many dont notice that the fight transforms from beeing between equals to sheer slaughtering of the outnumbered.



Perhaps bit too deep but atleast amusing and worth some contemplating. (my opinion) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
03-16-2005, 05:01 AM
CREED sux's!!!

I hate you and the band you like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-16-2005, 05:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
CREED sux's!!!

I hate you and the band you like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



WTF?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
03-16-2005, 06:09 AM
Ohh jeeez Thunderbolt do I realy need to post a link to the source of my origional quote ?

ohhhh ok

http://gprime.net/video.php/reallifevsinternet