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W.Irving
04-27-2005, 03:17 AM
Anyone seen them?
Their presence has neither been confirmed nor denied by the devs, and they're not in the museum either (but they wouldn't be Q-boats then, now would they? :P).

Kpt_Zig
04-27-2005, 03:23 AM
Q-Boats were all about suprise. Maybe the devs are maintaining that tradition. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fazzx
04-27-2005, 09:45 AM
hmmm... What's a Q-boat ???

bertgang
04-27-2005, 09:53 AM
It's an apparently defenceless merchant, who suddendly will show his hidden guns to sink your boat; a sort of trap, in short.

W.Irving
04-27-2005, 10:04 AM
Yeah, the sort of target you're not expected to torpedo, but instead shell with your deck gun.

They weren't very effective in the war(s) since there were not that many of them.

Would be fun to encounter in the game though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cueceleches
04-27-2005, 10:07 AM
Another Easter Egg?? Cool!

ANGST
04-27-2005, 10:09 AM
http://www.x-entertainment.com/stuff/ack1.jpg


It's a trap !!!

blue_76
04-27-2005, 10:19 AM
its a boat designed by the finest engineer in starfleet academy! Q!

http://www.thasos.ukgateway.net/images/Q_Old_Small.jpg

W.Irving
04-27-2005, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by cueceleches:
Another Easter Egg?? Cool!

Nah, not really. Q-boats existed.

What are the easter eggs?

Frederf221
04-27-2005, 11:05 AM
Isn't the German Commerce Raider such a beast? I mean, it's a merchant-looking ship that's armed.

cueceleches
04-27-2005, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by W.Irving:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cueceleches:
Another Easter Egg?? Cool!

Nah, not really. Q-boats existed.

What are the easter eggs? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, you´re right...not the kind of easter eggs I´ve read of..like the elephant submerged...or the Hitler with his feet set in a rock and leaving bubbles from his rear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

W.Irving
04-27-2005, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Frederf221:
Isn't the German Commerce Raider such a beast? I mean, it's a merchant-looking ship that's armed.

No. Q-ships attacked U-boats. Q-ships were very spartan vessels, and their guns were hidden from view.
A German 18000 ton gunship does not qualify. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

quillan
04-27-2005, 12:59 PM
I don't know for sure, as I haven't used the deck gun in a while. I have seen many armed merchants since 1941, but the last few convoys I've encountered have (apparently) unarmed ships in them. Not all, but some of the bigger juicier targets have no guns showing. The C2 and C3 were the first armed merchants I encountered, and I've seen a number with no weapons in the last half dozen or so convoys I've encountered. Perhaps there are Q ships in there, but I've sunk them all with torpedoes so far. The weather usually doesn't allow me to use the deck gun anyway, and I don't follow the wartime practice of firing a shot across the bows and demanding the boat stop.

JebUSMC
04-27-2005, 02:58 PM
I've done a little research into them since I last asked this question some time ago. Q-boats were a big thing in WW1 because of the more 'gentlemanly' way U-boats were used initially. They'd surface near unescorted merchants, stop them, allow the crews to abandon ship, then sink them. The Q-boats took advantage of this and killed something like 17 U-boats. When the U-boats went unrestricted and stopped warning of their attacks, the Q-boats success rate dropped as well. A few unwary U-boats were caught by them but at least 25 Q-boats were torpedoed with no warning. In WW2 the U-boats were more ruthless and merchants were more precious. A few large liners and passenger/cargo ships were converted to auxiliary cruisers but none were disguised. The german side is a different story with a few merchant vessels being converted to disquised merchant cruisers. That's what I've found so far anyway.

W.Irving
04-27-2005, 04:34 PM
If it's big enough you'd rather send a fish after it, it's no Q-boat. Assuming using your deck gun is possible.

I could imagine the fishing boat, trawler, and tug boat being Q-ships. Get close enough to them, and suddenly the (imagined) screen on the rear deck disappears, producing a 4.5 inch cannon (which is a significantly larger threat than a 88mm gun).

Some reports suggest the submarine was sunk with only one or two shots, sometimes only one. Which leads me to believe that the damage model in SHIII isn't very accurate. Sure, the guns of the destroyers do a great deal of damage, but nothing that cannot be repaired in 2-3 minutes.

If an 88mm cannon can penetrate 100mms of armour steel at 5kms, then surely the pressure hull (~3cms) of a submarine would be no match even to a 4.5" HE shell at the same distance.
The damage inflicted should be tremendous.

I am thinking Tiger I vs. M3 halftrack...

iceman18
04-27-2005, 05:12 PM
i fond this on a web sight.

The ships were nicknamed Q-ships after the original 'Q' numbers given to the some of these special service decoy vessels.

The ships had guns under dummy lifeboats or hidden under fake funnels and awnings. Some of the ships used paint to hide their cache of weaponry.

Forty four of the Q-ships were destroyed by the U-boats, some were sunk without trace.

However the Q-boats were able to destroy fifteen enemy boats, with many other submarines limping back to port for repairs.

bertgang
04-29-2005, 04:23 AM
Another important thing to remember about Q-ships: German captains had good reasons to fear this kind of trap.

To avoid nasty surprises, some of them totally avoided deck gun attacks against "suspected" lone merchats: so they missed lot of easy tonnage, or wasted valuable torpedoes against defenceless targets.

Messervy
04-29-2005, 04:49 AM
They even filled Q-ships with barrels and cork to make them stay afloat after being torpedoed.
This lured even a coutious U-boat commander into a false sense of security. And when they surfaced to finish the job with a deck gun they were in a nasty surprise.

W.Irving
04-29-2005, 03:02 PM
Yeah, so the hull of a submarine should not be able to sustain the impact of a large-calibre shell.

In that sense, the game is totally off in its damage calculations.

I had a Hurricane dropping a depth charge just aft of my conning tower After a lot of repairing, the only sign of being bombed was the hull integrity (99%), a huge black mark on the hull, and the two dead crew members.

That sort of hit should've torn the ship into two. The subs are surprisingly durable.