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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:36 AM
If you don't fly this plane you're crazy.





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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:36 AM
If you don't fly this plane you're crazy.





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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:40 AM
yeehoooo, i'm not crazy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:44 AM
I want a P11 mounting two gatling guns under the wings!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:54 AM
The I-153 is a blast to fly, but utterly useless in combat except as a light bomber.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:56 AM
try catching up with anybody.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:00 AM
I-153 is totally overmodelled!

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:01 AM
One of the worst planes in this game.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:04 AM
Heretics in my thread? Begone!

I-153 is a hardcore pilots dream. You people just amaze me sometimes.

Speed speed speed. The only times you need speed are when you are running away. This is online play: hostiles come to you in waves. They think speed is some kind of advantage.

I suspect some of you fly with precision.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:28 AM
I153 is THE single most fun plane in the whole set./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Wish we had more of those early war planes.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:56 AM
Baldie I totally agree wish you hadnt told people as some still dont know,btw which model do you prefer?

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 05:26 PM
For offline it's easy to kill 109s with ease, even if they are ace AI. But you wouldn't want to take on FW's since the guns on either model of the I-153 are not effective enough.
Plus the P model has a nasty nose-dip when you fire it's guns. Makes it hard to get high percentage hits, unless you are extremely close. But I can do as well against AI in the I-153 as any other plane, despite the sluggishness in top speed. But if I were an online player, I wouldn't fly it.
You guys are far better on average than even "Ace" AI.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 05:46 PM
But that double sight system make it hard to aim properly,for me anyway.Wish I could remove either one.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 06:18 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
- Heretics in my thread? Begone!
-
- I-153 is a hardcore pilots dream. You people just
- amaze me sometimes.
-
- Speed speed speed. The only times you need speed are
- when you are running away. This is online play:
- hostiles come to you in waves. They think speed is
- some kind of advantage.
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- I suspect some of you fly with precision.
-

You should try it in Full-real servers. it is the slowest plane available so, anyone who doesn't wish to engage you, simply flies away, and comes back again when the odds are right.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 06:47 PM
You forgot one of the most useful features of the Chaika - the amazing Bullet Strike Indicator that turns your upper wing blue so you know when you've been hit!

Clever fellows, those Russians.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 07:03 PM
Do not know about how fun it is to fly. Never tried...
But have no problems bringing them down online.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 07:56 PM
it is fun to fly and you do extremely well in it but its fm is so unrealistic same with its damage model,

They are like the agents in the matrix if im in anything else and get caught dogfighting another player and one creeps upI will run from them or if its too late crash into the ground so they dont get a kill on me i hate them so much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
06-27-2003, 08:00 PM
Last night - in the 190 a4 I got into it with a 109f4 - which I eventually dispatched - meanwhile an I153 with shvaks got in on my six - I could not gain running in a dive - in fact - I gained a little initially - then the I153 started to close - a modeling issue there methinks.

Normally though - you bnz these types and it works out fairly well.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:25 PM
Someone please tell me what part of the I-153 is overmodelled. The TWO gunsights?

I wish we could remove the electro-sights and use the iron sights instead. That would make the plane perfect.

I'm looking forward to the patch since the I-153 is going to be even better /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:25 PM
i love the chaika and can be very effective, my fave is the m62 version, for people who say its a bad plane dont use it right. you have to take every oppurtunity possible at shooting (but it has to be well aimed, of course) and turn and keep turning and turning if somebody is dumb enuff to turn with you will end up damaged or dead, they keep turning and slowing down when they stop turning swing round and you should be close enough to give a good long burst at the pilot or wings before they get too far away

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2+ YAK 3 or 9's
4 LA 7's
1 ME262
many (into double figures) hurricanes



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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:27 PM
The I-153 is an awfully annoying little bastard that you can only shoot down from surprise, but apart from that, it`s equally frustrating to fly it and being unable to shoot at anything but the worst players who come down and turn... it`s a completely harmless plane as long as you keep speed up while flying against it. And, sooner or later, you get him. He can`t do the same thing.

Against experienced, disciplined pilots, it`s a coffin (though a rather lasting one).

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:41 PM
Yeah is fun to flight BUT waint until the Cr.42 arrives to FB...THEN you know about acrobatic flight. ;P


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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:43 PM
Even a Hurri MkIIc can out run an I-153./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

When I'm online and see an I-153, I immediately go vertical. All I do is get about 2km above the little turn wizard and keep diving, shooting and climbing back up.

Sure, there are some good I-153 pilots who can avoid B and Z very well, but if I get caught low, I just nose down and run and climb again. The I-153 will never catch the Hurri at same altitude.

A slow, highly-maneuverable plane is only good when you get someone to turn with you. Speed is life in this game and knowing when to switch over to a quick T and B is essential to online survival when dealing with I-153s. Get them at the top of a loop or ready to stall and be ready to make your shots count, as you will only get one or two chances per pass.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:45 PM
Oh and of course every now and then, it's fun to hop in an I-153 and joust with another one, too. Sometimes, the rolling, scissoring, wingovers, tail slides and constant turning are fun. I had to tone my stick down a bit because the roll axis was a little twitchy for that bird.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:53 PM
Actually Nagual, the only reason that 153 closed in on you was because you were trying to turn fight with it, when you finally went vertical(where you would have eventually lost me for good) it was close enough to remove your left wingtip with a lucky shot.

I was flyin that plane, and recorded the whole incident, as well as that superb df that you had with karl the next meeting you guys had.

I was flying as my training name (UB6MEB9 that goes back to RB days and its a hard habit to break).

If you really want I can send you the track and you can see for yourself. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Earlier in that game, all the 109s and a couple of 190s were running away and leaving me alone as they could not get a solid solution on me unless I did not see them coming.

The top speed in a level flight is a mere 220 (atleast in my experiments), but it does dive a tad fast without any significant adverse effects (had it up to 450 and only minor shakes).

The 153 is my plane of choice and if it is not available I like the p11 too, but its an easy kill with those fragile wings.


Saluté from CR

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:08 PM
the thing is with the hurri is that it is slow (compared to 109 etc.) slow enough for the 153 at least so it dont pull away for too long. also it likes to turn to get its advantage, but the 153 can out turn it so its screwed,

a got trick to avoid b'n'z ers is to stay level for a little let on that you hadnt noticed them and then turn sharpish 180 deg. they cant compute the deflection for that in time and have to start all over again

you cant get to shoot at it though you just have to wait until they run outta ammo!

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ZG77_Nagual
06-27-2003, 09:22 PM
LWuffe - I agree - and failed to add - I was experimenting with trim on the a4 (just got me a belkin nostromo and I'm gettin used to it) and wanted to see what I could do against the best turner in the simm. Guess I found out! You did fail to add that you were flying the I153 quite well.

I pretty much know what i did wrong there - but I'd love it if you could send along the clip from the flight with Karl - regardless of who won that was an epic flight!

Salute! and thanks for comin by

- my email is cmorey@chartermi.net - If the clip gets bounced for size email me and I'll give you another addy

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:15 PM
BaldieJr wrote:

- I'm looking forward to the patch since the I-153 is
- going to be even better

Then I think you are gonna be disappointed. I have a feeling that this little bird is gonna get remodelled something like it was in reality, which is a sitting duck.

As it is now it retains E way better that it should and it's DM makes it a little indestructo-plane a la the I-16.
In RL I-153s and I-16 were shredded and flamed all accross the Eastern front by the likes of F-2s which are concidered weakly armed by the standards of this game.

Personally I hate the little buggers as they are now. I should know better than to turn with them, but sometimes I still do. Otherwise, yes, extend away. Only problem with them is because they are unrealistically robust damage-wise, making a BnZ pass on them may not yield the desired results.

Hawgdog
06-27-2003, 11:24 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
- Heretics in my thread? Begone!
- Speed speed speed. The only times you need speed are
- when you are running away.



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 01:47 AM
LilHorse wrote:
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- BaldieJr wrote:
-
-- I'm looking forward to the patch since the I-153 is
-- going to be even better
-
- Then I think you are gonna be disappointed. I have
- a feeling that this little bird is gonna get
- remodelled something like it was in reality, which
- is a sitting duck.
-
- As it is now it retains E way better that it should
- and it's DM makes it a little indestructo-plane a la
- the I-16.
- In RL I-153s and I-16 were shredded and flamed all
- accross the Eastern front by the likes of F-2s which
- are concidered weakly armed by the standards of this
- game.
-
- Personally I hate the little buggers as they are
- now. I should know better than to turn with them,
- but sometimes I still do. Otherwise, yes, extend
- away. Only problem with them is because they are
- unrealistically robust damage-wise, making a BnZ
- pass on them may not yield the desired results.
-

No offense, but you are wrong on many accounts. Try flying the plane, rather than repeating something you read.

After the patch, it will be even better. Be sure.



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:53 AM
It sucks that I cant figure out what is wromg with the FB fm.How can you zoom by a low E I53 at500kph and after gaining some good distance do a slow shallow combat turn and when your directed back at the I53 he has his guns on you.the way ive found to take them on is to loop with em.Your gonna be faster and so you gain more height with each loop.You need to be a great shot for the quick window this gives and the steel enclosed plane is a batch to take down.

For the longest time I took the wrong advice here that I should extend a good length and slowly climb and then return.heck this never works/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif All that happens is that as you extend you gain distance then as you climb and turn back to meet the I53,that plane has been steadly climbing to meet you.

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:34 AM
Ahh 'tis true... for some that bnz me then eventually lose enough E that they have to dive and extend a bit thinking to return at a higher alt again... I let them dive (pointless to chase a diving 109 in a 153) and I climb like all heck while following the same course.

Eventually the (insert plane of choice here) gets some alt but it takes awhile, or they get fustrated and come back at even alt, which I treat very similar to a bnz attack. (wont get into secret details /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

The worst thing some can do in this plane (which I see often) is go head-on with another plane (unless its another 153 but even this is bad)... contrary to some beliefs... these things are fragile, one just has to hit it in the right spot (ala engine or pilot... doh gave away a weakness) otherwise your just shooting holes in mostly non vital areas.

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:44 AM
It's so ugly it's beautiful :-)

Besides, it's always a pleasure to fly an inferior plane and shoot down better ones, I can only imagine how it feels for someone in an Me 262 to get shot down by a Chaika. Can almost hear the curses... ME loveth this little ugly duckling, but i mizzzzz the gladiator.

PS. Just watch out for negative G:s



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:53 AM
(insert sigh here) Neg G's..... (insert curses here) took me awhile to figure out what the heck was killing my engine... at first I thought I was running out of fuel... so I went to 100%... still died... (insert stronger curses here) eventually I read up on the little devil and figured it out.

All was happy again in 153 land. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 12:11 PM
I never flew this little sucker, but i have a blast shooting them down. I find it much easier to kill than the Rata. They often catch fire and desintegrate on my first shooting pass, just like Migs.
When the enemy sees me coming and starts evasive maneuvers, I keep doing B&Z on him, not doing many loops, but doing high yoyos at a high rate. This means the little sucker has to turn and turn and turn, looses speed without having a couple of seconds to regain it.........so he eventually gets below corner speed, until he is nearly motionless, paralyzed target....and thats when i get him.

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 01:19 PM
I think the chaika is bit too good.. I would be very surprised if Oleg is planning to improve it.. Dive speed is way too high, and personally I have huge problems dealing with Chaikas in Emil/Brewster/F4/F2s.. mostly because German MG have no damage to Chaikas.. if the patch fixxes this then it brings some balance to the game...

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 02:49 PM
I love the Chaika. She´s beautiful (yea she is) and really fun to fly, although a little b*tchy to takeoff in, especially with rockets underwings. A little to much power -> boom /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif
Maybe she is inferior (an OVErmodelled inferior plane? /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif ), but its fun, the noise from the air around you, the view, the slowness.... /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 03:33 AM
I'd be crazy to fly I-153, it just too ugly for my taste. lol

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XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:26 AM
Aww, i think the Chaika is cute!

It's kinda like a charicature of an airplane....only it's real & it really flies!


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XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:35 AM
People can't stand when a sport looking aircraft makes a fighter.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 10:27 AM
BaldieJr wrote:
- If you don't fly this plane you're crazy.

but my shrink said im still sane /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 08:46 AM
Dayak wrote:
-
- BaldieJr wrote:
-- If you don't fly this plane you're crazy.
-
- but my shrink said im still sane

How would a shrink know? They just make stuff up so pharmecutical companies will have something to do (since they can't seem to cure any real diseases).

I starved my engine at the top of a loop today. I hate doing that.

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