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mazexx
08-21-2006, 03:48 PM
Well, after considering it for two years I finally got my TrackIR today (4:Pro). I had read all the praise for it but I did somehow think that it was a bit exaggerated. I thought that it would be weird looking sideways at the monitor somehow...

DAMN! Why did I not listen to the inner voice telling me to buy it so many months ago?

After installing it I first did a quick 109 vs 4 Blenheims to get a slow start. Got three of them but the AAA smoked me before I could get the last one. When the AAA grenades passed me I realized that I moved my head to follow them without realizing what I did. I looked in the other direction backtracking the smoke trace and down there to my left was the battery. This may sound easy but the thing was that it was done in tenths of a second without effort and I realized that the 3D space was suddenly there!

Shuddering with pleasure in my parachute I exited the mission and fired up a fighter encounter with me in an FW190D-9 against 3 P-47's (I wanted something with a really bad view). After avoiding the head on I just looked over my shoulder as I turned to get into firing position. One of them turned too slow and I manged to nail him with a deflection shot just before I overshot him. Deciding to go for the next in line I scanned the horizon and immediately located the other two P-47's. After chasing one down to sealevel he started a tight scissor on me. Normally in an FW190 with the awful view it has I would have lost him after a few passes. This time I just played with him. We had like ten of those wild scissor switches where the other plane just flashes through your sights at 30 feet for a millisecond but now I could put holes in him many of those times. I finally got a clean hit from a few feet behind him and the 20mm rounds tore him to pieces. Never during the long scissor fight did I lose eye contact with him (accept the obvious times when a wing or something obscured him). And it just felt natural! After looking back over my right wing, easliy following the plane going down into the ocean, I did a quick scan from my right shoulder to my left and immediately found the last P47 trying to follow me through the chase. Keeping my eyes on him over the shoulder I did a yo-yo and got on a lag persuit that was successful.

After using the device for 20 minutes I had done something that I have admired people doing on the full real servers. How to follow a plane in a scissors fight without getting completely lost. It's even easier than using the external padlock that makes the snap shots during the scissor almost impossible.

Conclusion - get one now if you have the money to spare. I actually think that there should be a TrackIR enable/disable switch on the full real servers as the advantage of using one is enormous!

Long post - but I'm in trance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /Mazex

Haigotron
08-21-2006, 04:48 PM
Conclusion - get one now if you have the money to spare. I actually think that there should be a TrackIR enable/disable switch on the full real servers as the advantage of using one is enormous!

YES SIR~!!! where did u get it from?

where is it sold teh cheapest online?

SeaFireLIV
08-21-2006, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by mazexx:


After using the device for 20 minutes I had done something that I have admired people doing on the full real servers. How to follow a plane in a scissors fight without getting completely lost. It's even easier than using the external padlock that makes the snap shots during the scissor almost impossible.



Long post - but I'm in trance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /Mazex


TIR is the closest thing to aerial aircraft dogfight-viewing to real life that you can really get on a moniter (without having multiple moniters all over).

I`ve found myself doing complex ballet dances against enemy aircraft while STILL keeping full SA on it and around me. Moves where I would have instantly lost the target don`t get lost, kills are much more easier and natural. Close to reality imho.

That said, there are still very good pilots who apparently still kick butt with a Hatswitch in full real (no icons) servers! amazing.

Divine-Wind
08-21-2006, 04:59 PM
Yeah, the first thing that struck me, as with the X52, was how natural it felt. I'd been using clumsy hatswitches for over 6 years, yet this didn't take much more than 10 minutes to get used to (again, just like with the HOTAS - I'd been using the little sliders on M$ sticks for forever, and I got the hang of a 'real' throttle in a minute).
Kudos to NaturalPoint for giving us this neat little toy.

T_O_A_D
08-21-2006, 05:27 PM
Welcome to the Dark Side http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

redfeathers1948
08-21-2006, 05:51 PM
S~ Haigotron got it here: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gifProvantage (https://www.provantage.com/) cheapest out there, got tip from Bearcat

Crash_Moses
08-21-2006, 05:58 PM
lol...I thought the same thing. Just an over hyped gadget that only hardcore simmers could enjoy. Then I saw a demo and that was it...I had to have one. Worth every penny.

S!

archermav
08-22-2006, 10:51 AM
Anyone recommend the cheapest place in the UK for TIR?

carguy_
08-22-2006, 11:23 AM
Actually many non US/EU pilots on HL don`t have the TrackIR.They still pwn tir users though.

mazexx
08-22-2006, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by archermav:
Anyone recommend the cheapest place in the UK for TIR?

Bought mine from eDimensional (UK) and I paid $159 + VAT + shipping to Sweden for a total of $197. Got it in four days with a silly cap as a bonus (was fooled to belive that the cap was going to be a TrackIR cap but it's a "FlightSim.Com Pilot Shop" cap).


Originally posted by carguy_:
Actually many non US/EU pilots on HL don`t have the TrackIR.They still pwn tir users though.

Agreed - even with the TrackIR I'm still going to be shot down easily by most of the aces without TrackIR. I will at least be able to handle some of the other casual pilots going "no external views/cockpit always on" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Before I got this wonderful device it was just too frustrating flying in the "full real" servers as too much time was spent trying to maintain any SA at all so I surrendered and played on servers like UK-Dedicated with external views but with real missions. Not that I will stop doing that but with my new TrackIR I will at least be able to get some kills on the "full real" servers!

/Mazex

Haigotron
08-22-2006, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by redfeathers1948:
S~ Haigotron got it here: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gifProvantage (https://www.provantage.com/) cheapest out there, got tip from Bearcat

thanks sir http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif im currently looking, but the search yields no results with either track ir, nor trackir nor TIR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif...did they decide to sto pselling?

NP_Vincent
08-22-2006, 02:34 PM
Here is a list of all our resellers...

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/01-store/store-international-dealers.html

and glad to see another happy TrackIR user.

VF-17_BOOM
08-22-2006, 03:43 PM
I got TRK IR 4 about 2 weeks ago,you're right on target with your statement.....IT'S THE BOMB!!!!I've been practicing offline getting used to it,the situational awareness is incredible...you see EVERYTHING!!!!I trippled my kill ratio in a few missions.
I bought mine from Buy.com for $145.00 included shipping.The first one they sent didn't work but they shipped another one within a week....great support!

SeaFireLIV
08-22-2006, 05:29 PM
You can sometimes tell if you`re flying against a hatswitch or other view pilot, because they`ll come in on an attack you make a maouever to out-scissor or outturn them and they`ll almost immediately lose you more or less flying in a straight line while you`re already gaining their six. It`s like they`re flying 2D to your 3D!

Xiolablu3
08-22-2006, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Actually many non US/EU pilots on HL don`t have the TrackIR.They still pwn tir users though.

yeah, I think there are some players who are good with each. Certainly many aces with just a HAT/Mouse.

I remember that guy who did the 'Me Vs Hartmann' RPG used just a Hatswitch/Keyboard.

Dreyer, I think his name was?

I know some people are like 'nah nah, he was shot down by xxxx guy, his RPG was false' but whatever you think of that RPG, just by watching his tracks you can see he is a wicked pilot.

You dont NEED trackIR, as he shows, but your style may benefit from it if you dont feel comfortable looking around by other means.

I still get in a bit of a mess sometimes (I use a HAT) in a close in dogfight with a very manouvrable plane such as a i16/Spitfire/109/La5. I find it hard to use your thumb and make precise moves with your plane at the same time.

Worf101
08-23-2006, 07:05 AM
Yeah, when it works Track IR is all you could want. I personally had issues with Track IR 3 Pro, but since Naturalpoint made me whole with a TrackIR 4, I've laying the tall cotton. I've had nothing but good times with the device.

Da Worfster

MEGILE
08-23-2006, 07:31 AM
Because like me, you knew TIR is an exploit, like trim on a slider. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

x6BL_Brando
08-23-2006, 07:37 AM
The UK outlet (http://www.rcsimulations.com/) is a family of dedicated flight-sim nutcases located on the outskirts of Bristol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

While they have a good postal service, it's worth paying them a visit. Ask Bob if you can take a look at his simulator, he can never resist a fan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It's a commercial, twin seat- twin yoke job - but it's helluva impressive piece of kit!

Myself, I picked a secondhand SmartNav setup in '96 and got TrackIR when it launched. A great tool, and it's only got better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

B.