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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 07:11 PM
I don't mean to start a flame war or to get people
angry with this post for I'm a huge fan of IL2FB
and have been pleased with all aspects of it up until
this last patch.

Patch 1.1b has made gameplay a drudgery. I think the
FM is garbage (compared to pre-1.1b), the DM is
garbage, and the bugs (especially with sound) are
far more prevalent than past revisions.

I don't know who beta tested this, but it certainly
wasn't ready for prime time. Now we're stuck with this
less-than-optimal patch if we want to fly online.

Examples:
ME262 flies like a brick (try going more than
300mph when not in a dive) but yet shoots like
a tank (one shot obliterates the target). I'm not
an ME262 flier typically but I wanted to test it.
I blew away 9 planes in one mission with ammo to spare
because one shot destroyed the target.

Stalls and flight characteristics seem all screwed up
for some planes. Not happy at all. I was totally happy
with pre 1.1b version. I was flying a Yak and any
turn that even hinted at being tight caused stalls.
When I throttle at 100% in some plane, I can barely
climb. It just seems all wrong.

I landed off runway once and plane was bouncing all
over the place, wingtip to wingtip with no damage. I
mean the plane was bouncing like Tigger on a caffeine
high. This reminded me of what I saw with the original
IL-2. In fact, this patch reminds me a lot of original
IL-2.

Sound is completely garbage but I guess everyone knows that. Changing views can cause engine sounds to cut
out. Going to 0% throttle still has engine sound at
100%. Firing gun sounds cut in and out. and so on...

There's lots more but my point is made. I'm thankful
that Oleg and crew support the game and have produced the
finest combat flight sim ever. I'm thankful for their
efforts. I think Ubi or whoever needs to get a wider
Beta audience to flesh out problems before they are widespread like this patch.

That's all. I hope another patch is forthcoming soon.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 07:11 PM
I don't mean to start a flame war or to get people
angry with this post for I'm a huge fan of IL2FB
and have been pleased with all aspects of it up until
this last patch.

Patch 1.1b has made gameplay a drudgery. I think the
FM is garbage (compared to pre-1.1b), the DM is
garbage, and the bugs (especially with sound) are
far more prevalent than past revisions.

I don't know who beta tested this, but it certainly
wasn't ready for prime time. Now we're stuck with this
less-than-optimal patch if we want to fly online.

Examples:
ME262 flies like a brick (try going more than
300mph when not in a dive) but yet shoots like
a tank (one shot obliterates the target). I'm not
an ME262 flier typically but I wanted to test it.
I blew away 9 planes in one mission with ammo to spare
because one shot destroyed the target.

Stalls and flight characteristics seem all screwed up
for some planes. Not happy at all. I was totally happy
with pre 1.1b version. I was flying a Yak and any
turn that even hinted at being tight caused stalls.
When I throttle at 100% in some plane, I can barely
climb. It just seems all wrong.

I landed off runway once and plane was bouncing all
over the place, wingtip to wingtip with no damage. I
mean the plane was bouncing like Tigger on a caffeine
high. This reminded me of what I saw with the original
IL-2. In fact, this patch reminds me a lot of original
IL-2.

Sound is completely garbage but I guess everyone knows that. Changing views can cause engine sounds to cut
out. Going to 0% throttle still has engine sound at
100%. Firing gun sounds cut in and out. and so on...

There's lots more but my point is made. I'm thankful
that Oleg and crew support the game and have produced the
finest combat flight sim ever. I'm thankful for their
efforts. I think Ubi or whoever needs to get a wider
Beta audience to flesh out problems before they are widespread like this patch.

That's all. I hope another patch is forthcoming soon.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 07:38 PM
the_great_dane wrote:
- I don't mean to start a flame war or to get people
- angry with this post for I'm a huge fan of IL2FB
- and have been pleased with all aspects of it up
- until
- this last patch.

Um... hi! You may want to tone down the rhetoric if you don't want to start a flame war /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You should be aware that the 1.1b patch is an INTERIM patch and we are all "beta" testers. Indeed, Oleg has announced that there will be an "interim sound patch" to 1.1b, forthcoming.

You make valid points but why not send in a "bug report" (see the readme.txt file with the patch) to the tech forum?

Moreover, subjective reporting on FMs "Me-262 flies like a brick but shoots like a tank" (well, that plane does have 2/4 30 mm cannons after all /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif will not be taken into account unless supported with data (everybody tends to FEEL that their favourite ride is "porked" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

anyhoo, cheers,
C_G

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 07:40 PM
the_great_dane wrote:
-.... I'm not
- an ME262 flier typically but I wanted to test it.
- I blew away 9 planes in one mission with ammo to
- spare
- because one shot destroyed the target.

Hello,

I think this is correct because the Me 262 had four 30mm MK 108 Cannons in its nose. These cannons have combined a huge firepower, and that seems to be correct to me (I'm no expert, so please correct me if I'm wrong),

Pilot99

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 07:44 PM
I dont know.....I mean, prepatch hurricane was very unreal, now at least planes can STALL so its hard to recover, before it was pretty easy.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 07:54 PM
Hi Great Dane!!
Thats fair and square, and a good post.
This is your thoughts and thats that. I tend to agree with you on some of the points.... so cross your fingers and lets hope for the betterhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Nothing is lost yet.

Regards

VH.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 11:05 PM
I think you need to realise that the Me262 is not supposed to be a fighter. It was designed as a Bomber Interceptor, and later went on to become a ground attack aircraft.

Because it's made to bring down big birds, it has a quartet of one of the most potent cannons the Luftwaffe ever got airborne. For a Mk108 to NOT rip the wing off something with a single shot would be blasphemy. 30mm HE is not some sort of little stinger like a .30cal that just makes some pretty little holes.

They released the patch because they wanted to shut idiots up. It's a beta, there's supposed to be bugs. If there were no bugs, it wouldn't be a beta. Don't like it? Go back to v1 until 1.1 Final is released.


Remember: "b" means "beta"

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 11:38 PM
What the fish aren't biting. Good try this fish will have nothing to do with this thread.

In fact lets hi-jack it now...everyone!

What is your favorite pickle?

Mine: Bread n Butter!

Happy hunting and check six!

Tony Ascaso, RN

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 11:40 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 12:12 AM
Branston.



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Pro patria mori."

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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 01:53 AM
Smegmatron wrote:
- I think you need to realise that the Me262 is not
- supposed to be a fighter. It was designed as a
- Bomber Interceptor, and later went on to become a
- ground attack aircraft.

Sorry, you've got your facts wrong here.

The Me 262 WAS designed as a fighter. When Hitler went to inspect the prototype he asked Willi Messerschmitt if it could be modified to carry bombs. Messerschmitt foolishly suggested that the modifications could be carried out while Hitler waited.

From that point on Hitler overuled everyone and would fly into a rage if anyone suggested using the plane as a pure fighter. He insisted that it be used as a JaBo, a role for which the plane was not ideally suited.

XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 02:17 AM
With all due respect,(which I don't think there is any)

I am ever more glad they don't have "wider range" of beta-testers, and only a few are chosen for the task. I shudder to think what would have become of this game if anybody like the guy who started this thread had influenced IL2/FB in its developing stages.



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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 02:46 AM
Jester1 wrote:
--
- The Me 262 WAS designed as a fighter. When Hitler
- went to inspect the prototype he asked Willi
- Messerschmitt if it could be modified to carry
- bombs. Messerschmitt foolishly suggested that the
- modifications could be carried out while Hitler
- waited.
-
- From that point on Hitler overuled everyone and
- would fly into a rage if anyone suggested using the
- plane as a pure fighter. He insisted that it be used
- as a JaBo, a role for which the plane was not
- ideally suited.

Although you are right here, i believe the poster meant that it was designed as a fighter with its primary target being bombers. It was not designed as a fighter to fighter aircraft. It was built to destroy bombers.

"Yellow-nosed b@st@rds, 6 o'clock high, coming down now!"

XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 04:11 AM
whine whine whine..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 11:56 AM
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fluke39
08-30-2003, 01:08 PM
Black Eye ?? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 01:28 PM
Cold_Gambler wrote:
-

-
- You should be aware that the 1.1b patch is an
- INTERIM patch and we are all "beta" testers. Indeed,
- Oleg has announced that there will be an "interim
- sound patch" to 1.1b, forthcoming.
-
-

This INTERIM patch was suppose to be THE patch./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

We all know now, why it is an open beta patch.

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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 11:52 PM
fluke39 wrote:
- Black Eye ??

Don't look at me, nuttin to do with me.

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 12:23 AM
">Whats your favourite pickle?"
----

Sturmovik-FB with a dud patch!

..A pickle right enough - but still my fav FS!

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 01:20 AM
the_great_dane wrote:
- I don't know who beta tested this, but . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



You are beta testing it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 02:57 AM
i think its funny you didnt put any real evidence into this post that supports an FM problem.

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 07:58 AM
I agree, the game was better before the patch. Especially the sound. I don't use the Huri or the 262. I do know the Yak 3 can out dive the La's... by 100kmph or more most of the time. Something is definitely wrong with that picture. I like to fly the 39's and with each patch, game version it seems to get better. But I fly alot of coops and know how the other planes used to fly from way back to the pre patch version of IL-2. Customer satisfaction is the first rule in business if you want to keep customers. It looks like Ubi has made it taking your money and callin it good. I wish they had never released the patch untill it was 100% ready instead of 10%. The sound issue is totally unforgivable. They knew it was bad and they included it anyway instead of fixing it. I love the Bug reporting criteria. If you just play the game, fly a few campaigns or coops you can see exactly what's wrong. You don't need a planet full of Beta testers. Either the beta testers could not recognize the proplems or the developers refused to listen and Ubi forced em to release a very bad patch. I find it less enjoyable to fly the game as I used to. So yeah Ubi and Maddox 1C have given themselves a self inflicted Black Eye. Put some raw meat on it and fixing the sound right would be a good start.

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 03:00 AM
Well Kweasa!
There certainly is respect and if you would carefully
read the original post (which I started), you
would see that my wording and intent was not to
attack anyone but to point out that the patch was
released with many glaring problems.

As for being a beta tester, I admire them and
how much they need to do if they are good ones.
I was a beta tester for Red Baron 3D and decided that
the amount of work and documentation wasn't worth it
for future games so I'm out of that business.

I think we all realize that the 1.1b patch is less
than optimal. It gives a black eye in the fact that
we all need to use it to play online and it wasn't
ready for release. They should have waited. I think
we have a rather patient community for the most part.

GreatDane