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scishark
03-31-2011, 06:20 PM
We all know Assassin's Creed revolves around the concept of using a machine (the animus) to access Desmond's DNA and unlock his ancestors memories.. One might think of this is an absurd concept but actually there is some science behind it. This revolves around the concept of epigenetics, and I've written an article about it here:

http://scishark.com/2011/03/epigenetics/

I hope its an interesting read for you guys

Now the question is this, does real science really matter in games?

monkeyuncle8
03-31-2011, 07:25 PM
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Abeonis
03-31-2011, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Oh yes, because your father's decision to have a certain job in no way affected your quality of life...

monkeyuncle8
03-31-2011, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Abeonis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Oh yes, because your father's decision to have a certain job in no way affected your quality of life... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes it affects the quality of life, but it in no way affects the DNA

just becuase your mother dies her hair red, doesn't mean you will be a red head

AntiChrist7
04-01-2011, 02:09 AM
if it mattered the only games that could be made were Pong and sport games


AC did a nice job, it's a good theory, not too crazy

trueflyingsheep
04-01-2011, 07:36 AM
well, since the WHOLE dna only has some GB capacity (because of epigenetics some more than <number of basepairs>×2 bit, but still…), you couldn’t save more than some hours of memory in the complexity that is required to recreate it. and that would be if you ude the whole dna to save it, without having to save the building plan of the organism.

itsamea-mario
04-01-2011, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Well, actually genetic modification is passed down to offspring.
Wether we can passively alter DNA through the way we live is a different matter completely.

scishark
04-01-2011, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Not all things in life are black and white. There seems to have been some research showing that epigenetic modifications do get pass down the generations. One thing to be clear is that this doesn't change the sequence of dna, only what sequences are active or not, ie, if your parents haven't unlocked the achievement you won't get it either.

monkeyuncle8
04-01-2011, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Well, actually genetic modification is passed down to offspring.
Wether we can passively alter DNA through the way we live is a different matter completely. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes but when you have a memory thatisn't recorded in your DNA it is recorded in your brain

also genes are very complicated and huge, so in order to modify it you need a lot, you cant just experience something that affects all your reproducte cells DNA in such a way

bioshock is way more believable than assassins creed it

El_Sjietah
04-01-2011, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Well, actually genetic modification is passed down to offspring.
Wether we can passively alter DNA through the way we live is a different matter completely. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes but when you have a memory thatisn't recorded in your DNA it is recorded in your brain

also genes are very complicated and huge, so in order to modify it you need a lot, you cant just experience something that affects all your reproducte cells DNA in such a way

bioshock is way more believable than assassins creed it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'd only have to modify the DNA of the sperm/egg producing cells to pass it onto your offspring.

Not saying it's backed up by science, but it does make it at least more believable.

monkeyuncle8
04-01-2011, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Well, actually genetic modification is passed down to offspring.
Wether we can passively alter DNA through the way we live is a different matter completely. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes but when you have a memory thatisn't recorded in your DNA it is recorded in your brain

also genes are very complicated and huge, so in order to modify it you need a lot, you cant just experience something that affects all your reproducte cells DNA in such a way

bioshock is way more believable than assassins creed it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'd only have to modify the DNA of the sperm/egg producing cells to pass it onto your offspring.

Not saying it's backed up by science, but it does make it at least more believable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
there are litterally millions of sperm and eggs, there is no way that 1 experience can change all of it, thats why we cant cure cancer

El_Sjietah
04-01-2011, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:

there are litterally millions of sperm and eggs, there is no way that 1 experience can change all of it, thats why we cant cure cancer

There are millions of sperm cells, sure, but not millions of eggs. And the cells producing those sperm cells don't count in the millions either.

Of course there's the problem of every egg already being made as soon as a girl hits puberty, but that's been an issue since the very beginning of the AC series.

Again, I'm not saying there is any scientific base whatsoever, but it doesn't take the modification of millions of DNA strings either.

And curing cancer has nothing to do with this. Cancer is a mutation that can happen in any type of cell, which causes it to reproduce without restraint, clogging cell tissue and hampering its function. No idea how you go from that to the way sperm/eggs are made.

scishark
04-03-2011, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Well, actually genetic modification is passed down to offspring.
Wether we can passively alter DNA through the way we live is a different matter completely. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes but when you have a memory thatisn't recorded in your DNA it is recorded in your brain

also genes are very complicated and huge, so in order to modify it you need a lot, you cant just experience something that affects all your reproducte cells DNA in such a way

bioshock is way more believable than assassins creed it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whats up with comparisons to bioshock :P

Johno_efc
04-03-2011, 03:58 AM
Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Abeonis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by monkeyuncle8:
no actually it is impossible for the decisions that we make in our life to affect our offspring, Darwin was arguing this to a person who thought that it was becuase of past experiences that lifefroms evolved

Oh yes, because your father's decision to have a certain job in no way affected your quality of life... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes it affects the quality of life, but it in no way affects the DNA

just becuase your mother dies her hair red, doesn't mean you will be a red head </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends where you worked, if you worked at Chernobyl, it probably would.

monkeyuncle8
04-03-2011, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:

There are millions of sperm cells, sure, but not millions of eggs. And the cells producing those sperm cells don't count in the millions either.

Of course there's the problem of every egg already being made as soon as a girl hits puberty, but that's been an issue since the very beginning of the AC series.

Again, I'm not saying there is any scientific base whatsoever, but it doesn't take the modification of millions of DNA strings either.

And curing cancer has nothing to do with this. Cancer is a mutation that can happen in any type of cell, which causes it to reproduce without restraint, clogging cell tissue and hampering its function. No idea how you go from that to the way sperm/eggs are made.
curing cancer has everything to do with it, cancer cells are formed becuase the DNA messed up along the way, so if we were able to fix the DNA of millions of cells then we wouldn't have to worry about cancer

Mich4elSmith
04-06-2011, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by scishark:
We all know Assassin's Creed revolves around the concept of using a machine (the animus) to access Desmond's DNA and unlock his ancestors memories.. One might think of this is an absurd concept but actually there is some science behind it. This revolves around the concept of epigenetics, and I've written an article about it here:

http://scishark.com/2011/03/epigenetics/

I hope its an interesting read for you guys

Now the question is this, does real science really matter in games?

wish they just cut desmond out