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ReligiousZealot
07-21-2005, 10:10 AM
You could say I've recently come across some money for a computer. I will admit it, my parents and me are going to split the cost of a computer and I currently have $1000 (US currency) meaning my budget is $2000. I'm looking for suggestions here on what I should get to build the best PF rig for my money.

Currently I'm looking into getting the AMD Athlon FX (64 bit) not sure on the processor speed yet.
Nvidia Geforce 6800GT possibly in SLI config
2-3 gigs of 400mhz DDR RAM (was looking into 533mhz, but heard bad things)

For the record, I already have a 19" CRT monitor and a wireless logitech keyboard and mouse so the $2000 is for the pc and other stuff. Should I get Track IR and a nice joystick plus rudder pedals? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-21-2005, 11:29 AM
I'd strongly suggest going here: http://www.magnum-pc.com and ask for "Joe". He'll steer you right.

Also, you may want to wait a couple more months to get the biggest bang for your buck (unless of course you need to strike while the iron is HOT!) for the newest hardware from AMD and Intel to show up. AMD is releasing a new FX-57 and a dual-core X2 4800+

They haven't been readily available yet, but it still means the prices on the older FX-53's and 55's will be coming down.

You can go "cheap" on smaller, less-expensive peripherals like optical drives, etc,.... but buy as much processor/video card/RAM you can for the right price. Everything else you could nickel & dime if you had to.

Dual HD's are nice, but certainly not necessary. a good 7200 rpm 120gb HD should suffice just fine unless you DL lots of music and/or other multimedia content.you can partition it 40/80. Use the 40 as your OS/drivers location and use the other HD for data storage/game installations (with a pair of them though there's no need to partition.)

Any version of Audigy2 SC will do just fine, but take a look at some of the different types (i.e. Audigy2, audigy2 zs, audigy2 zs pro etc,...) and decide what 'extras' you may want/use.

Do a little research and as you already have...ASK QUESTIONS!

Good luck and keep your nose clean as we don't want that carrot snatched back...right?


TB

REDHAWK_1
07-21-2005, 11:57 AM
~S~
I think I can help you a little on this, I just up graded my PC a couple of months ago.
For the MB I got a ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe 939 pin which is one of the best on the market. I pick it up for around $206.00. I got a AMD 64 bit Athlon 3200 processor 939 pin, it is rated at 2.01 gig I paid around $300. I got a ATI Radeon X800XL PCI Express Graphic Card I got that around $400.
I picked a 200 Gig HD for about $200. I also got
2 gig of DDR 400 memoey for around $300. The Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe MB will support two Nvidia GeForce PCI Express cards.
Here are there links for u to check out:
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli-d/overview.htm
Graphics Card:
http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx800/specs.html
Make sure u check the little box on the lower right hand side about the PCI Express.
I have been running this system now for over four months now and havent have any problems at all. The system runs smoothly and I love this system. It also has an automatic over clocking when the system needs it and when the program is over with it automaticly goes back to normal speed. It is a good system. Also the AMD 64 FX 55 cost about $800.
Here is the AMD web site:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9484,00.html
U might want to check out the 64 X2 Dual Procressor. They didnt have it out yet when I up graded my PC.
I hope this help u out some and give u a little Ideal of what to look for. Good luck!
Redhawk_1
PS Yes get the TrackIR 3 Pro with Vector Expansion kit.

Hunter82
07-21-2005, 12:44 PM
A... we have 2 FX 57's left in stock http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif They do go quick though


Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I'd strongly suggest going here: http://www.magnum-pc.com and ask for "Joe". He'll steer you right.

Also, you may want to wait a couple more months to get the biggest bang for your buck (unless of course you need to strike while the iron is HOT!) for the newest hardware from AMD and Intel to show up. AMD is releasing a new FX-57 and a dual-core X2 4800+

They haven't been readily available yet, but it still means the prices on the older FX-53's and 55's will be coming down.

You can go "cheap" on smaller, less-expensive peripherals like optical drives, etc,.... but buy as much processor/video card/RAM you can for the right price. Everything else you could nickel & dime if you had to.

Dual HD's are nice, but certainly not necessary. a good 7200 rpm 120gb HD should suffice just fine unless you DL lots of music and/or other multimedia content.you can partition it 40/80. Use the 40 as your OS/drivers location and use the other HD for data storage/game installations (with a pair of them though there's no need to partition.)

Any version of Audigy2 SC will do just fine, but take a look at some of the different types (i.e. Audigy2, audigy2 zs, audigy2 zs pro etc,...) and decide what 'extras' you may want/use.

Do a little research and as you already have...ASK QUESTIONS!

Good luck and keep your nose clean as we don't want that carrot snatched back...right?


TB

LeadSpitter_
07-21-2005, 02:44 PM
The amd fx57 is out already and has been for a few months, you can get it for around $2200-$2500 2 gb of corsair ram and a ati x850 platium at alot of sites around like new egg, these same machines if not built by yourself can cost around $4000

I wouldnt go with an sli system next gen pcs will make them useless as a cyrix or celeron.

ytareh
07-21-2005, 03:08 PM
I wouldnt go too cheap on the mobo or power supply unit either(while basically it is true that CPU/RAM/graphics are main priority).Both esp. the PSU can cause a lot of wasted time and money if troublesome.

|CoB|_Spectre
07-21-2005, 04:16 PM
I've always found http://www.sharkyextreme.com to be very helpful. Every month or so they build three gaming systems: a "value" system whereby they put together the best components (including monitor, OS and everything) they can assemble for $1000 USD; their "high end" gaming machine is scaled-up to what $2500 USD will get you; and finally, the "extreme gaming machine" which is a price-is-no-object brute. They build two versions in each category, one AMB-based and one Intel-based. Check 'em out.

stansdds
07-21-2005, 05:26 PM
I'd go with at least an Athlon A64-4000, 2GB RAM, decent hard drive (real partial to Western Digital), Sound Blaster Audigy 2ZS sound card (takes the load off of the CPU), and at least a NV6800GT PCIe video card, but the 6800 series is getting real dated now, so I might look to the new cards.

This past Spring I built my AMD Athlon A64-3500, 2GB RAM, 160 GB Western Digital HD, Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS, NV6800 Ultra PCIe machine for about $1800.

fordfan25
07-21-2005, 07:26 PM
xbox 360 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Bearcat99
07-21-2005, 07:26 PM
Hey Hunter... you still check your PTs..? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ReligiousZealot
07-22-2005, 08:05 AM
Lol, Fordfan...I've already got one of those reserved http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Well, thanks for all the help guys, I'm in the process right now of checking out all the websites you've posted. Hehe, gotta love the Alienware PCs - even though they're way out of my system budget :P.

Dew-Claw
07-22-2005, 12:14 PM
I just biult a system with a k8ns nforce3 250 MB
with an AMD64 3000+ 1gb ddr,an 80gb SATA drive and a Radeon 9500xt graphics for inder $700.00

I didn't need a moniter so I put that money into a nice DVD/RW drive and extra's, such as a larger power supply and cooling fans.

It's the 1st machine I built from the ground up instead of beefing up a prebuilt system.
It was easier than I figured it would be, was up and running in an afternoon and gave me almost twice the system I could have afforded if someome had built it for me.

LuftWulf190
07-22-2005, 01:51 PM
Well I built a system for just over $1000.

CPU: Athlon 64 3200+ Vinice, fitted to HSF with Arctic silver thermal compund.

MoBO: ASUS A8N-E

RAM: 1 gig Corsair Value Select (Be carefult if you go up to two gig, I have heard the memory clock speed can go down if you do that, though I could be wrong)

PSU: Antec Smart Power 500watt

Case: ATX signature medium tower, came with two 80mm fans, and I added in two more Antec 80mm ball fans.

HDD: 80gig Seagate Barracuda SATA OEM

DVDROM: NEC IDE DVDRW OEM

CDRW: TDK CDRW, came from my old system

Floppy: came from my old system

Keyboard and mouse: from my old system along with the cat to watch the mouse

Video Card: Gigabyte Geforce 6600GT 128MB. Only thing I don't like about this card is that it does not have any heat sinks for the memory, and its the hottest item in my case running about 68C under load.

Sound card: Creative Audigy 2 OEM.

OS: Windows XP pro SP2 OEM

Monitor: A used Dell CRT 17" from current system. Hoping to replace this one with a 17" LCD.

jarink
07-22-2005, 02:13 PM
I agree with pretty much everyone else about components (Athlon 64, nForce4 mobo, etc.) Two things that people usually don't consider (or go cheap on) that can make a nice system really nice are Power Supply and fans.

Get a quality Power Supply(PSU)! Bad power causes more problems than most people realise! Don't just go by overall power rating; many companies list peak ratings, which can be misleading. Pay attention to your components and the power they use. There are several power 'rails' in a PSU; each provide different voltages to different components. I used to have a link to a good site that explained this in detail...I'll try and find it and post back.

80mm fans are OK, but to get adequate airflow can mean your PC sounds like a vacuum cleaner. If possible, get 120mm fans, as they turn slower but still move the same amount of air. But they'll do it quietly. If supported by the mobo, variable-speed fans are nice, too. Again, all fans are not equal. I've replaced too many cr@p fans that had bad bearings (making them loud or just stop working) to not recommend spending a couple extra $$ for something that will last.

VMF-214_HaVoK
07-22-2005, 02:30 PM
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $126.00

ENERMAX All in One Noisetaker Series EG701AX-VE SFMA(24P) ATX12V 600W Power Supply 90~265V(Adjusted Automatically) UL (Level 3), cUL (Level 3), VDE, CB, NEMKO, SEMKO, DEMKO, FIMKO - Retail $149.99

OCZ Peroformance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail $225.00

AMD Athlon 64 4000+ ClawHammer Integrated into Chip FSB 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor - Retail $473.00

WinFast PX7800GTX Geforce 7800GTX 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail $541.00

Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST3200822A-RK 200GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - Retail $129.00

CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS GAMER Limited Edition 70SB035000013 8 (7.1) Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail $114.00

Thermaltake SHARK VA7000SWA Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail $145.00

Total: $1903.00
http://www.newegg.com is where all items came from

LuftWulf190
07-22-2005, 02:32 PM
my system does sound like a vacume and I have though abotu replacing the rear 80mm with a 120mm. Reason I didn't get a 120mm in the first place is because when I ordered my case I though it had room for two 80mm fans in the back, so I was disapointed when I found out that it wasn't so. But over all I am very happy with my current system.

ReligiousZealot
07-25-2005, 12:37 AM
Thanks for all your kind suggestions, it'll take me some time to look into all of them and decide which best suits me. I'm not a complete and only PF gamer, but it is in my top 3 (currently the list goes, Battlefield 2, Pacific Fighters, Counter-Strike/Hostile Intent) so my new systems needs to suit a number of games with different requirements. Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks and I'll let you all know what I end up getting, see you in the virtual skies again soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ReligiousZealot
07-27-2005, 12:08 PM
Hey, I know this thread is dieing and this will be my 2nd post in a row, but I was looking for a little bit more help. I'm currently looking at 2 different motherboards, one supporting dual core, the other sli - which one would be better suited for running PF on Perfect settings? I'm wondering if PF relies more on CPU or video card power, any help would be much appreciated, thank you.

fordfan25
07-27-2005, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by ReligiousZealot:
Hey, I know this thread is dieing and this will be my 2nd post in a row, but I was looking for a little bit more help. I'm currently looking at 2 different motherboards, one supporting dual core, the other sli - which one would be better suited for running PF on Perfect settings? I'm wondering if PF relies more on CPU or video card power, any help would be much appreciated, thank you.

6 one half dozzen the other. sli is a bit problomatic right now from what iv read. pluse to get use outa it youll need to spend extra mony on two GPU's. id just as soon have 1 6800gt as 2 6600gts. if your a novice with building and working with PC's "as far as figureing out softwear and or driver conflicts" id recomend just geting a single cpu board. im not sure if you HAVE to run sli on a sli bord or not. if you can use 1 gpu in a SLI based MOBO then might as well get a sli right. my mind set has always been not to over complicate something for a min gain.

REDHAWK_1
07-27-2005, 01:46 PM
~S~ Fordfan25!
For MB I would suggest the ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe.
The reason I say this is because this MB will not only support AMD 64 FX processors but also the new 64 X2 Dual Core Processors 939 pin. Here is the link to the ASUS Company:
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli/overview.htm
Also here is a link to the AMD Processor Company:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9484,00.html
Here is a link for more MB's:
http://www.magnum-pc.com/
This will give u more answers to what u are looking for. If u find something u can always write it down and visit Computor Stores and shop around for the best prices and then go from there.
Also the ASUS MB supports both types of V-Cards, Nvidia PCI Express but also the ATI Radeon PCI Express graphics cards. I have the ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe MB with a AMD 939 64 Athlon 3200+ Processor with the ATI Radeon X800XL PCI Express Card and 2gigs of Memory. I have no problems running PF or IL@FB/AEP/PF in perfect mode. Also the ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe can run two (2) NVIDIA GeForce G70 7800GTX PCI Express cards.
So I hope this helps u. Good luck. I know others will be here telling u others things.
But everyone has thier own taste. All u can do is look and read and decide for ur self.

LuftWulf190
07-27-2005, 11:03 PM
Now dual core CPUs may sound great, but they are not the greatest gaming CPUs around from what I have heard on guru3d. GO with an SLI board if you want to really have an SLI set up, and from the looks of your budget you can do it.