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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 06:56 PM
New spitfire should be great and below will be the best prop plane:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/ta152.html

couple of interesting notes..

Several Fw 190C airframes were used in the project. The first Ta 152H-0 service test aircraft rolled off the assembly lines in October-November 1944. The Ta 152H-0s had no fuel tanks in their wings. They were joined a month later by the first production Ta 152H-1 aircraft, which had fuel tanks in the wings. The Ta 152H-1 was armed with one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon with 90 rounds and two 20-mm MG 151 cannon in the wings with 175 rpg. 330 pounds of armor were carried for the protection of the engine and the pilot. Most production machines were delivered to Ta 152H-1/R11 bad-weather fighter standards. A MW 50 boost tank was fitted in the inboard port wing tank for use in enhancing low-altitude performance, with the GM 1 high-altitude boost tank aft of the cockpit being standard.

Approximately 150 Ta 1252H-1 fighters were manufactured between January 1, 1945 and the final abandoning of production with the arrival of Soviet forces at the Cottbus assembly plant. No Jagdgruppen ever completely converted to the type, but several Jagdstaffeln operated the Ta 152H alongside the Fw 190D and other types. Most of the Ta 152s operated in the close-support role. Others flew "top-cover" for bases from which Messerschmitt Me 262 jet fighters operated, trying to protect the jets from being "bounced" by Allied fighters during takeoff or landing. It was said that no British or American fighters risked attacking an Me 262 during landing while Ta 152s were known to be circling the airfield. The large wing area of the Ta 152 made it quite easy to fly. Most of the Ta 152Hs, however, were destroyed on the ground by Allied air attacks while awaiting delivery. A few Ta 152Hs were allocated to the Mistel program.

Near the end of 1944, Kurt Tank himself had a narrow escape while flying one of his Ta 152Hs. He was flying from Langenhagen near Hannover to attend a meeting at the Focke-Wulf plant in Cottbus. His plane carried armament, but no ammunition. Shortly after takeoff, he was jumped by four Mustangs. Tank pressed the button which activated his MW 50 boost, opened the throttle wide, and quickly left the Mustangs far behind in a cloud of blue smoke.

Engine: Junkers Jumo 213E-1 twelve-cylinder liquid-cooled engine rated at 1750 hp for takeoff (2050 hp with MW 50 boost) and 1320 hp at 32,800 feet (1740 feet with GM 1 boost). Maximum speed: 332 mph at sea level (350 mph with MW 50 boost), 465 mph at 29,530 feet with MW 50 boost, 472 mph at 41,010 feet with GM 1 boost. Service ceiling was 48,550 feet with GM 1 boost. Initial climb rate was 3445 feet/minute with MW 50 boost. Weights were 8642 pounds empty, 10,472 pounds normal loaded, 11,502 pounds maximum. Wingspan 47 feet 41/2 inches, length 35 feet 1 2/3 inches, height 11 feet 0 1/4 inches, wing area 250.8 square feet.

XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 06:56 PM
New spitfire should be great and below will be the best prop plane:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/ta152.html

couple of interesting notes..

Several Fw 190C airframes were used in the project. The first Ta 152H-0 service test aircraft rolled off the assembly lines in October-November 1944. The Ta 152H-0s had no fuel tanks in their wings. They were joined a month later by the first production Ta 152H-1 aircraft, which had fuel tanks in the wings. The Ta 152H-1 was armed with one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon with 90 rounds and two 20-mm MG 151 cannon in the wings with 175 rpg. 330 pounds of armor were carried for the protection of the engine and the pilot. Most production machines were delivered to Ta 152H-1/R11 bad-weather fighter standards. A MW 50 boost tank was fitted in the inboard port wing tank for use in enhancing low-altitude performance, with the GM 1 high-altitude boost tank aft of the cockpit being standard.

Approximately 150 Ta 1252H-1 fighters were manufactured between January 1, 1945 and the final abandoning of production with the arrival of Soviet forces at the Cottbus assembly plant. No Jagdgruppen ever completely converted to the type, but several Jagdstaffeln operated the Ta 152H alongside the Fw 190D and other types. Most of the Ta 152s operated in the close-support role. Others flew "top-cover" for bases from which Messerschmitt Me 262 jet fighters operated, trying to protect the jets from being "bounced" by Allied fighters during takeoff or landing. It was said that no British or American fighters risked attacking an Me 262 during landing while Ta 152s were known to be circling the airfield. The large wing area of the Ta 152 made it quite easy to fly. Most of the Ta 152Hs, however, were destroyed on the ground by Allied air attacks while awaiting delivery. A few Ta 152Hs were allocated to the Mistel program.

Near the end of 1944, Kurt Tank himself had a narrow escape while flying one of his Ta 152Hs. He was flying from Langenhagen near Hannover to attend a meeting at the Focke-Wulf plant in Cottbus. His plane carried armament, but no ammunition. Shortly after takeoff, he was jumped by four Mustangs. Tank pressed the button which activated his MW 50 boost, opened the throttle wide, and quickly left the Mustangs far behind in a cloud of blue smoke.

Engine: Junkers Jumo 213E-1 twelve-cylinder liquid-cooled engine rated at 1750 hp for takeoff (2050 hp with MW 50 boost) and 1320 hp at 32,800 feet (1740 feet with GM 1 boost). Maximum speed: 332 mph at sea level (350 mph with MW 50 boost), 465 mph at 29,530 feet with MW 50 boost, 472 mph at 41,010 feet with GM 1 boost. Service ceiling was 48,550 feet with GM 1 boost. Initial climb rate was 3445 feet/minute with MW 50 boost. Weights were 8642 pounds empty, 10,472 pounds normal loaded, 11,502 pounds maximum. Wingspan 47 feet 41/2 inches, length 35 feet 1 2/3 inches, height 11 feet 0 1/4 inches, wing area 250.8 square feet.

XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 08:03 PM
I would most definitely like to try out the TA-152. I like the armament of Mk108 and 2 MG 151's, a nice knockout punch. Let's see if the La-7 can out run this!!

"He goes to bed early, wakes up early, to hunt the enemy" Erich Hartmann on Gunther Rall

XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 08:21 PM
i see tempests where no match.. lol

Pulling ever tighter turns, I got closer and closer to one of the Tempests, never once feeling I was even approaching the limit of the Ta's capabilities. When he flicked over onto the opposite wing I knew his last attempt to turn inside me had failed. My first burst of fire caught the Tempest in the tail and rear fuselage; its pilot immediately engaged its aircraft in a starboard turn, giving me an even greater advantage. I pressed my gun buttons a second time, but after a few rounds my weapons fell silent and refused to fire another shot. However, the Tempest, which had already taken hits continued desperately to twist and turn, and I positioned myself so that I was always just within his field of vision. Eventually, inevitably, it stalled. The Tempest's left wing dropped and he crashed into the woods immediately below us, about one kilometre of the site from Sattler's crash. The Tempest pilot, the W/O O.J. Mitchell was buried side by side with the Ofw. Sattler next day in Neustadt-Glewe cemetery with full military honours".

XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 05:00 AM
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XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 11:37 AM
A Squadron of Spitfire Vs was rushed to Australia to defend the Port City of Darwin from Japanese Bombing Raids in 1942.
The Jap bombers where escorted by the long range AM62 Zero fighters from the Island of Timor.

They lost 17 of the 22 Spitfires in only 2 Air Raids on Darwin, the Japanese, I think lost 1 bomber.

I remember a while back somebody laughed at a post made by somebody else about RAF Pacific trying to source P-40s.

Now you know why. ( Now that is funny)

S!





Message Edited on 11/05/0310:38AM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 11:43 AM
Artic_Wulf wrote:
- A Squadron of Spitfire Vs was rushed to Australia to
- defend the Port City of Darwin from Japanese Bombing
- Raids in 1942.
- The Jap bombers where escorted by the long range
- AM62 Zero fighters from the Island of Timor.
-
- They lost 17 of the 22 Spitfires in only 2 Air Raids
- on Darwin, the Japanese, I think lost 1 bomber.
-
- I remember a while back somebody laughed at a post
- made by somebody else about RAF Pacific trying to
- source P-40s.

Problem was that the RAF flew like they had the most agile fighters, as they were used to in the ETO, and accepted the classic dogfight, which was a mistake against the Zero.

I can really recommend:

Bloody Shambles
The First Comprehensive Account of Air Operations Over South-East Asia December 1941-April 1942

Volume One: The Drift to War to the Fall of Singapore
Volume Two: The Defense of Sumatra to the Fall of Burma

SingaporeChristopher Shores, Brian Cull & Yasuho IzawaGrub Street resp. 1992 0-948817-50-X & 1993 0-948817-67-4

Its amazing reading...

Ruy "SPADES" Horta
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta
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Il-2 - VEF JG 77
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'95-02 - WB Jagdgeschwader 53
'99-00 - DoA Jagdstaffel 18
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The rest is history...

http:\\www.xs4all.nl\~rhorta\brother.jpg

XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 11:46 AM
Artic_Wulf wrote:
- A Squadron of Spitfire Vs was rushed to Australia to
- defend the Port City of Darwin from Japanese Bombing
- Raids in 1942.
- The Jap bombers where escorted by the long range
- AM62 Zero fighters from the Island of Timor.
-
- They lost 17 of the 22 Spitfires in only 2 Air Raids
- on Darwin, the Japanese, I think lost 1 bomber.
-
- I remember a while back somebody laughed at a post
- made by somebody else about RAF Pacific trying to
- source P-40s.
-
- Now you know why. ( Now that is funny)
-
- S!


Then again, the P-40's did not always fare well either......

http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/darwin02.htm




"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 11:48 AM
Good Post Spades,
Ive read them all, I am Australian, members of my Family served in the armed services fighting the Japanese.

S!

XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 04:50 PM
why are u talking about spitfires and zekes? lol... i did say the spit is a good plane.. of course somebody has to point out something bad about a plane if its not their fav

i cant point out that the P51 is fast, manevrable and good punch, but i reality has a glass jaw, and 1 hit, just 1 good shot could render it useless and bring it down

Message Edited on 11/05/0303:51PM by JG26_Red

XyZspineZyX
11-05-2003, 05:00 PM
i cant fly the 51 well at all
i guess they wanted p40's so they had aircraft vs no aircraft.
the zero is mighty in a dog fight
oh ever heard of a p400?
its a p40 with a zero on its tail /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif