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totalspoon
12-16-2005, 02:22 AM
Paid Aus$90 for Battle of Britain; Wings of Victory a month ago. I've been playing a campaign game. This day early in the battle the Germans send over a Do-17 with a dozen Bf110's for escort. Too easy, scramble a squadron of Hurricanes but we're caught at only 4000ft by the hun's. Chase a Bf110 around for ages, the guy keeps turning inside me or doing this form of vertical reverse (hammerhead) which almost instantly reverse his direction on me. When I do get in behind him, he morfs 20 meters to the left or right as soon as I fire, and despite the fact we've been doing matched turns with the same energy states, he lifts his nose and roars up and away and leaves me fighting off a stall. Finally get him but the rest of the squadron was all shot down.

No probs, reload at the start of the day, and this time there's two squadrons (24) of hurricanes at the same alt as gerry. The Bf110's still blast them to pieces. Tried with two squadrons at higher alt... Same result.

Getting really really sh*tty now. Right, this time there's two squadrons of spitfires (24) with stacks of heigth above the 12 Bf110's. We dive into the huns but they break up and the dogfight starts. Get none but chase two of them into the sea. Watch them both dive into the water and explode. Return to base. Mission result 15 Spitfires lost for 1 Bf110 destroyed!!!!

Anybody want to buy a cheap copy of Battle of Britain; Wings of ****e?

Bearcat99
12-16-2005, 08:08 AM
AFAIC.. if it isnt at least as good as FB 4.xx then why bother...

jamesdietz
12-16-2005, 09:24 AM
With hundreds of aircraft in the air at once...nice sound...terrific Track IR Vector& various downloads to improve its look ...it does have it moments tho....

cobrad8472
12-16-2005, 10:45 AM
Perhaps you'd like to check for morale? No? That didn't come to mind, did it?

TheGozr
12-16-2005, 10:58 AM
" various downloads to improve its look "
Just a shame. why don't they do it before releasing the product. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

totalspoon
12-16-2005, 02:08 PM
Yes Cobrad8472, I did check moral. It was only the third day of the battle of britain and moral was still very high dispite the fact that the English aircraft in this game are so sh*te. It doen't really matter what the moral is, two squadrons of Spitfires with height should beat one squadron of Bf110's.

I don't think oleg has much to worry about from shockwave productions anyway...

Asgeir_Strips
12-16-2005, 02:31 PM
i think shockwaves BoB II is excellent as long as its patched up.. i cant say that i've experienced any of the things that you've experienced.

the things i also like with that sim is that the enemy ai cant see you if you go into clouds, and the gunners on the bombers doesn't have a 1000x magnification scope on their guns :lol:

And besides, (in my experience) the A.I and Campaign is 100x better than olegs singleplayer campaign ever was, and yes im including the lowengrins dcg too.

Im looking forward to future sim-projects by shockwave and oleg, but this time (with oleg) im going to wait until some other guys have checked it out first, because i dont want to spend like 40 bucks on a product thats similar to Pacific fighters, just with new locations and airplanes.

if oleg could just refine the AI,Campaign system (something comparable to BoBII but you can also just be a pilot in a squadron and not be "commander")

I would also like to see if you were like "Group Commander" (say this scenario is under the D-Day invasion) you could plan an air attack by your group, like that squadron has the task of providing air cover, while some other squadrons attack ground forces, but, you DO have to assign yourself to a permanent squadron (wingleader etc) so you aren't able to fly as anyone.. if he just could implement that kinda stuff into his next sim, it would be the best sim i've ever played.

and also i think you should be able to select which "era" you want to start "in" if the first game only contains the northern Europe theather (like, invasion of norway, low countries etc - battle of britain- start of the daylight bombing raids in 1943- D day and so on)

and i also think that they should take their time to implement the fleet air arm even in the first sim (before the addons that will follow)

and also regarding the possibility of hundreds of aircraft in the air, i think it should be user selectable, as those with lower end machines probably dont want to have that "enabled" if they play massive bomber escort missions with like 100 bombers and fighters at the same time..

just some thougts :P

Saunders1953
12-16-2005, 03:28 PM
I would also like to see if you were like "Group Commander" (say this scenario is under the D-Day invasion) you could plan an air attack by your group

Asgeir, James, are you able to do this with BOB II? I'm curious about that sim--I realize the FM and graphics fall quite short of IL2, but I have to admit the idea of being able to plan your own raids and the apparently better campaign system has me interested.

totalspoon
12-16-2005, 03:58 PM
In the campaign game, you get to decide where to attack and with what (for the Luft) or what to defend it with (for the RAF). On the positive side, there nothing like climbing up through the clouds and seeing hundreds of aircraft in formation coming towards you. The graphic are pretty close to PF and the flight model for your aircraft is not too bad. On the negative side, because there's so many AI aircraft, they use a simplified FM which makes dog fighting them feel totally faked. The damage model is almost none existent. You have very little idea where your bullets are going until you hit the target and you€re rewarded with vague puffs of dust. Continued fire results in no change to the appearance of the EA until it finally catches fire/ breaks up/ goes out of control.

hobnail
12-16-2005, 06:52 PM
BoB:WoV is pants just like it's earlier incarnation.

MrQBerrt
12-20-2005, 10:31 AM
is pants
What in the world does that mean, and what country are you from? I think I'm going to start inserting that phrase in random conversations and see how I make out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The part that makes it the funniest for me is that the context of the quote doesn't shed any light on whether "pants" is a good thing or a bad thing. Although personally I think pants are a very good thing, unless it's my wife (or my friends' wives) wearing them, then they're a bad thing. Boy oh boy I better run after saying that one, I can just see the skillets flying now.

Rebel_Yell_21
12-20-2005, 10:54 AM
I'm guessing that pants is bad, but I, too, am going to toss that one around today and see what kind of reactions I get at my office.

*read through a report from an employee*
"Hey man, this is pants!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

MrQBerrt
12-20-2005, 02:07 PM
I found a Hobnail post in another topic that helps out.

AI will continue to be pants until it can hit me in a gentle banking turn.

Pants = bad, use appropriately http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

zoinksu52
12-20-2005, 03:10 PM
pants is pants.

this could be my most profound yet most vague post. you decide.

raisen
12-20-2005, 04:58 PM
hehehe

Al Gore/GW Bush/Tony Blair/whoever the british opposition is this week or otherwise hacks people off ..... would be a politically balanced way of putting it.

Hoatee
12-21-2005, 06:42 AM
Pants are an obstruction - otherwise we would have heard something different.