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jessi1
04-11-2005, 05:47 AM
I would like to know what is your 190 of choice while flying ONLINE.The a-6,a-8, or a-9, Why you prefer this bird to fly online and most importantly do you ever set your aileron or rudder trim (by clicks) to help out level flight with these birds, I know theres lots of imformative help about flying the 190 here on the forums but none ever mention adjusting these (rudder or trim) by the number of clicks used. When i fly, my 190 usually goes a little to the left and i want to know if adjusting the rudder or aileron can help. Also i use 500 for convergence and it works good, but would like to here whqat you all use to try and mix things up a bit.Do you all trim the aircraft a bit and if so how many clicks do you trim it with, i usually trim it 15 clicks.This thread is for real advice please, I enjoy flying with you all on warclouds and have learned a'lot thru watching my saved tracks that have you all on them. Please give some good advice concerning these points if you will, and any other points that you would like to share. Thanks for your help. The 190 community is very helpful when you ask, and i like that. see ya

anasteksi
04-11-2005, 06:03 AM
i prefer the a6 because it feels much more lighter than a8 or a9 and its almost as fast as newer antons.
I think that fw190 has only elevator trim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif. I use it to make my fw 190's tail little bit heavier than nose because then i can make stalltrick faster and reactiontime is smaller.
I use 300 for convergence because im so bad shooter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif i have to shoot when im very close to enemy rudder http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
theres some fw 190 tactics in airwarfare.com

i hope that helps you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tigertalon
04-11-2005, 06:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jessi1:
I would like to know what is your 190 of choice while flying ONLINE.The a-6,a-8, or a-9, Why you prefer this bird to fly online and most importantly do you ever set your aileron or rudder trim (by clicks) to help out level flight with these birds, I know theres lots of imformative help about flying the 190 here on the forums but none ever mention adjusting these (rudder or trim) by the number of clicks used. When i fly, my 190 usually goes a little to the left and i want to know if adjusting the rudder or aileron can help. Also i use 500 for convergence and it works good, but would like to here whqat you all use to try and mix things up a bit.Do you all trim the aircraft a bit and if so how many clicks do you trim it with, i usually trim it 15 clicks.This thread is for real advice please, I enjoy flying with you all on warclouds and have learned a'lot thru watching my saved tracks that have you all on them. Please give some good advice concerning these points if you will, and any other points that you would like to share. Thanks for your help. The 190 community is very helpful when you ask, and i like that. see ya <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi jessi1!

Fw190A9 is superior to other two, hands down. Many pilots even prefer it over D9 (probably because of armament). So, I fly them accordingly to time frame - in 1943 A6 is just as much of a kickass (maybe even more) than A8 in 44 or A9 is in 1945. Nevertheless, A6 in 1945 has little chances...

Since flying FAST is the only flying with Fw190, I use about 20-25 clicks of elevator down trim, so nose becomes a bit heavier and I fly straight. I always fly at 400+ kph, preferably 500 kph (ok, climbing with 350). I don't use rudder or aileron trim, since I try to look around all the time, so swinging or rolling every few seconds.

I have radiator full open almost whole flight. It alows you to fly 110% all the time, at 500kph even with WEP it will not overheat (at least on A6). I close radiator ONLY when in trouble when I have to squeeze last kphs out of her...

Fw is a hard plane to learn, but very VERY rewarding once you master her.

Hristos
04-11-2005, 07:02 AM
Generally, I take the newest 190 available. Most of the time it is the D-9, which also brought me most success on Warclouds.

There are no words to describe on how the Dora pulled me out of situations where I would surely die in an Anton.

190 is made to fly fast. Taking and earlier model to be able to turnfight better is not wise, IMHO.

As for trim, I use elevator trim. Very simple, when climbing, I trim for a steady climb at 270-280 kph IAS. When fighting, I try to keep my speed up and trim accordingly. No secrets here, just trying to fly straight with stick centered.

Contrary to popular belief, I avoid MK108s in 190. MG151/20 allow for better snapshots, and 190 lives by snapshots. Sometimes they don't kill as fast as 30mm, but at least they connect.

I'm beginning to like the Dora more and more (strange, eh ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). Warclouds is very competitive server and I'm not sure I'd keep my stats in a plane other than D-9. Especially when Blue side gets disorganized, which happens quite often in Euro times.

If you stay fast and don't do foolish things, a 190 will reward you of landing your kills.

So, simply said - take the latest 190 available and fly it to the fastest speeds it can manage. Keep engine as cool as possible. Close radiator only in emergency.

Airmail109
04-11-2005, 07:18 AM
I specialise in snapshots with MK108s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Its easy once you get the feel of it! I can deflect shoot better with mk108s than with Mg 151s now! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Fehler
04-11-2005, 07:49 AM
Bah.. Anton lovers!

The Dora is my favorite. If you get ournumbered, you can run away.. try that in an A-6!

But for pure dogfighting, I prefer the A-4; most nimble (If one could call it that) of the 190's.

BTW, the Mg151/20 are popcorn guns, but if you can kill with them now, just think how good they will be if the issue was actually addressed in the patch!

The FW190 didnt have aileron or rudder trim, so if you can adjust it, you mush have one of those sticks that can calibrate outside of the game with sliders. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Over speeds of 350 (Which you should be all the time) you should trim the plane to +1.5 or so. Look down at your left hand side of the cockpit and there is a trim indicator. (Maybe that is what was actually meant by "Flying nose down" like some test pilots quoted...)

The best advice I, or any 190 flyer could give you is that if you turn more than probably 90 degrees, it is time to do something else; dive, spiral dive, straighten out and build some more E, slowly climb (Shallow AoA not slow as in speed) and repeat your slashing attacks. Always try to climb over 400-450 KPH as very few planes can match your climb rate at that speed.

http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/Mine%20Rounds.jpg

TX-Zen
04-11-2005, 08:05 AM
I'm a Dora jock all the way, and while I love all the 190's and variants, the D9 is my favorite plane in game without question. It is actually the only reason I still play the game to be honest. To me it has the best handling (though it is not the most turnable mind you, the earlier Antons perform better), the best acceleration, roll rate and heavy manuevering controllability. It's only real weakness is the lack of punch compared to the other 190's and that it has no air to ground ordinance...which I suppose is ok because it doesn't have a bombrack permanently glued to the underside like the Antons do. Those deficiencies are offset by wonderful handling, impressive high speed characteristics and all around superior visibility. I find that after so many years if a plane can't roll well and can't dive well, I just have no use for it even if it has other amazing advantages, so I guess I'm sticking with the Dora for the long run because nothing else really fits for me.

If the D9 is not available I will pick the A5, then A6 and lastly the A9 depending on what is offered. For some reason the A8 is a pig, it was when it was first introduced and remains so...mushy controls, poor acceleration and sluggish handling overall compared to the others, but without the gracefull turning ability of the earlier models. My preference for the A5 is based mostly on nostalgia, it is the plane I grew up with in IL2 original and when the A6 came out I didn't see enough performance increase to get excited over (especially because by the time the A6 arrived I had been flying my dreamy D9 for so long), the A6 is improved yes, but not markedly so and therefore I stick with what I grew to enjoy so much in the A5. Plus with current patch considerations, I actually prefer having the outboard MG/FF cannons instead of two more MG151/20's, there is no question they hit harder and are more consistent for 1 pass kills or 1 pass crippling of the target.

Performance wise I think you have to make a decision at the arming screen about what kind of flying you intend to do when you are deciding on which Anton to fly. Assuming air to air is your objective, I break the Antons down into two groups...close range E fighting and longer range BnZ. For the close in work I'm not afraid to take the A5 and A6 down to the deck, the improved turnrate and good handling will let you succeed in mixed furballs as long as no one latches onto you exclusively. For the A5 and A6 I start out high and make BnZ passes but don't mind converting into furballing or pulling heavy turns to get into position on the enemy, but do take care not to over do it and tend to mix it up and then extend to the fringes for a bit before coming back in. Using Warclouds as an example, it is very common for dogfights to errupt at any altitude, so you are never really safe just because you are high since there is always someone who understands energy out looking for pilots who don't, so in a way medium and lower altitudes offers a measure of safety based on the herd principle...more targets to choose from means you tend to get lost in the crowd. In this arena the A5 and A6 do very well, again as long as you don't get a single guy latching onto you specifically.

If I intend to use BnZ only, I will take the A9 because of its higher top speed and excellent dive stability. I personally never use the two MK108 wing cannons in the A9, I prefer the MG151/20's even though they aren't as effective, even against bombers. With the A9 I rarely mix it up for long, I definately stick to the slashing attack and break off rather than get dragged down to a low E state. All in all, the A9 is usually one of my last choices. It is a fine airplane but I prefer the lighter handling of the earlier models despite their slower top speed, to me they just peform better than the A9 in close range engagements. For air to ground I will take the A9 over the earlier models because with a single SC500, the A9 keeps the outboard MG151/20's, giving you a relatively uncompromised air to air ability after you drop the bomb, though realistically if I'm doing jabo runs I will take the F8 in a heartbeat. Over the FB years, the F8 became my favorite air to ground plane bar none, even though there are numerous other kinds that are much better. It's just got a feel to it that no other plane has, not even the other Antons...load it up with 4xSC50 and 1xSC500 and I'm a happy camper http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Speaking of convergance, I use 1000 for all guns and never change it. I used to spend so much time in the F8 strafing trucks and AA guns and had always found attacking ground targets difficult to hit, so I kept increasing my convergance to get better results. Inevitably you get bounced by fighters and often have to fight your way out of the target area, so I learned to shoot with 1000 for air to air as well. What I can say about it is that paradoxically enough, longer convergance is better for point blank shooting...because the gunfire tends to fire straight out from the wings and at point blank ranges I used to miss because of criss-cross with short convergance. It also works very well for head on shooting, you can put a hail of lead up during the high speed closure and get hits from 800m or less as you pass each other. For me, changing to 1000 has been probably the most significant step in effective gunnery when combined with being disciplined enough to only fire at less than 200m. I was never any good at trying to get the target into the magical convergance zone and went with a more practical point blank attitude that has served me well. Some people like the 1000 convergance, some people can't get used to it, but I recommend to give it a try. It may not make a difference, but for me it was the key ingredient that allowed me to fly effectively under all kinds of engagements and shooting scenarios.

As for trim, I do use it, but only in very small doses to keep the nose somewhat level during cruising. I experimented alot with constant trim adjustment for smoother gunnery and depending on how much you fiddle with it, it can add to your accuracy, but I'm also a lazy pilot and have gotten used to compensating with the stick instead of trim. I really don't notice the 190s tendancy to roll during level flight anymore, I've been flying it for so long that its an automatic reaction to compensate with the stick and so I keep on doing that instead of learning anything different. I think there is merit in its use, but its a matter of degree and your own flying style may take care of it anyway, so unfortunately I don't have anything really usefull to say about it.


Hope this helps, if you have any other questions I know the 190 pilots will do their best to share their experiences, we do indeed have a strong and dedicated community.

Salute!

dieg777
04-11-2005, 08:28 AM
thanks for the info zen- I followed your articles in a previous post on FW190 and have them all stored away and this adds to it - as usual very helpful and informative http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

anasteksi
04-11-2005, 09:14 AM
Choices were a6,a8 and a9 so i said that i think that a6 is the best of those. It depends very much of pilot which of those is the best.
Of course dora is much better than these three. On myself i use dora if possible. Dora is fast, climbs veery well and its good at high altitudes.(its even beautiful) everything what pilot needs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

karost
04-11-2005, 09:25 AM
three years play this sim , when I try on fw-190 I become noob suddenly... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif , just full real can save my life

- D9 is my first choice if icon show http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
- A4,A5 more challenging

I think when we have patch 4.0 , FW-190s will more interesting for new FM ( yes ... 4x20mm with real MG is quite interesting too, who like to H2H with http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

after path 4.0 I will try to be a good boy in FW190

S~

HeinzBar
04-11-2005, 09:33 AM
S!,
I just had to chime in on this thread. You guys need to stop picking on my little A6. I know you like your hotrods, but the A6 can hold its own in nearly all situations. I consistantly fly it on Warclouds and I do manage to get my fair share of success. Not that I'm an ace by any stretch of the imagination, but the A6, for me, is superior to the rest of the Anton series. It is, imho, the most balanced of the FW series. It has great fire power (even if the current mg151/20 are nerffed), good speed, fantastic roll rate, has decent horizontal agility, great dive rate, and can take a beating. If the FM stayed the same in the upcoming patch, I'd be fine w/ that..just fix those 20mm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and the A6 will be the newest terror.

HB

PS, I know I shouldn't do it, but I love to knife fight in the A6...much to the delight and sometimes dismay of many spit & pony drivers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

geetarman
04-11-2005, 09:54 AM
As a dedicated Pony jock on WC's, I tip my hat to the 190 drivers. They mostly come out of nowhere, blast you good, then disapear. Hard to follow, much less catch, if they've got the coals poured on. The good pilots are very good too!

3.JG51_Stecher
04-11-2005, 05:32 PM
Obviously as the variants progress they get faster and heavier. I'm with Hristos in that you should take the latest one available. The Dora clearly feels and handles the best, but without outer wing cannons, and the way the ammo for the wing root cannons is now, it isn't worth it in my opinion. After the patch, we'll see. As things are now, if you're in a late 1944 server, take the A-9 over the Dora until we get the right ammo. The Dora, while having a little faster top speed on the deck than the A-9, actually has a little slower max continuous speed. So you can run the A-9 faster indefinitely. Although I admit I take the Dora out every now and then for variety. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The MK 108s are worse ballistically and make the 190 less stable when firing than the MG 151/20s, but if you can land the first few rounds, you won't need longer bursts. They are definitely my pick.

As for trim, I use +10 clicks for climbing, -10 clicks for normal flying and combat, and -25 clicks for running balls out. Use the boost, and manual 100% prop pitch (auto for Dora, it's faster). Keep the radiator closed and use a little less throttle to stay cool. Higher throttle with open radiator is slower than lower throttle with closed radiator. Open it only when you must to prevent burning the engine out.

For convergence, I use 500m for the cowling machine guns and wing root cannons since they are so close together, the cone of fire is so tight even at longer distances, and 150m for the outer wing cannons. Since you should be attacking with a major speed advantage, it is not a problem getting close before unleashing everything at convergence.

OldMan____
04-11-2005, 08:05 PM
In order A-5 A-4 D-9 A-6 A-9 A-8 Ta-152.


Like a5 cause it is quite fast and I can leave my two outer guns at home so it handles almost same as A4... or if I need firepower that old 20mm outer guns have much more punch than MG 151/20.

Usually with A4 and A5 I can keep faster in fight than with A9 due to reduced E-bleed.

LeadSpitter_
04-11-2005, 08:24 PM
Ask the allied pilots, they are the best 190 jocks around. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The 190a8 is noway a pig zen, it was many versions ago not anymore. It has the manueverability of the a6 now carring 108 wing cannons with the a9 and f8 speed and equal high alt performance 5000-7000m

RedNeckerson
04-11-2005, 08:36 PM
Until the MG/151 gets fixed, it's the FW190A-9 with MK-108s for me.

On servers like WC and GG, an A-9 with four correct MG/151 cannons will actually be more deadly(IMO) than the current MK-108 variants you see now. Better ballistics and higher ROF = more accuracy to kill fighters.


FW190A-9 = Godzilla

Red planes = Tokyo

Hunde_3.JG51
04-11-2005, 09:02 PM
The 190 lives on speed, and they all handle well enough to get the jobe done.

So in order of preference:

1. 190A-9 (see below)
2. 190D-9 (see below)
3. 190A-8 (faster than A-6 down low where it is needed most, better climb, and MK-108 available)
4. 190A-6 (more accurate, longer lasting ammo than A-5, dominant in '43)
5. 190A-5 (much better speed than A-4, dominant in '43)
6. 190A-4 (dominant in '42 planeset)

The Dora is the better fighter and I find it easier to survive in. The A-9 is more versatile and you can rack up the kills quicker thanks to MK-108's. Also A-9 can tackle B-25's and can load up an SC-500, drop it, and still have the same performance as if it never carried one. This is not possible with Dora. Also, as Stecher said the A-9 has a much higher max cruise down low and people tend to underestimate how useful/important this is. But then again I have had alot of success in the Dora so...

The A-8 over the A-6 choice depends on flying style. I tend to stay very disciplined and rarely ever get slow or pull any harsh maneuvers so I find the A-8 to be more effective.

Here are some FW-190 flying tips I just re-posted:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=3881056603&p=4

JV44Rall
04-11-2005, 11:11 PM
A9 - fastest, best guns (mk108)

BnZ in any other Anton, and a good spit or mustang pilot can run you down. Then your options are hide in a cloud, call your friends or die.

A6 is my number two favorite - a good balance between guns and nimbleness.

As for trim, I put the on a on a throttle control. I have to adjust it continually, but it's second nature and, imho, more realistic.

jurinko
04-12-2005, 12:17 AM
i have elevator trim mapped on the rotary knob on x45 throttle and i do trim the plane all the time - nose down for steady level flight, tail heavy before each turn. it helps mightily.

Monson74
04-12-2005, 01:18 AM
Of the '44 FWs I like the Dora best. I have no data to back this up but it just feels faster & more nimble than the other variants. In a '43 setting I prefer the A5 over A6 though the difference is rather small. The A4 shines in a '42 server - you'll find yourself going 100 km/h faster than everybody else most of the time during combat & the 4x20mm tears everything apart. A little tip: The front view can be a challenge especially for deflection shots - if you shoot from the enemy's right side you can make pretty long shots because of the gunsight position to the right. When stalking an enemy from behind I often approach him inverted to avoid losing alt - that way you can keep him in vis, climb & adjust your aim. It may look funny but it works.

Hristos
04-12-2005, 01:54 AM
Yes, Monson, Dora is such a sweet ride. It has lower drag and better powerloading than A series, thus it keeps E longer, accelerates, dives and climbs better.

It lacks punch for now, in 4.0 it might become more potent. Even now though, it is the best 190 for me.

Fehler
04-12-2005, 10:14 AM
I really wish we would get a D-11.

I really dont like the Ta-152. Seems to me a wing like that would be difficult to stall, but in the game it does a nice job of it... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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HeinzBar
04-12-2005, 11:05 AM
S! Fehler,
I love the new signature http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Don't forget the 'juiceyfruit' in the Antons LOL

HB

BlackStar2000
04-12-2005, 12:16 PM
S!

S! Fehler bring more of these sigs i love it.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

FI_Willie
04-12-2005, 05:09 PM
THANKS Fehler!!

I needed a good laugh. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif