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luftluuver
09-07-2008, 10:52 AM
What is with the F1 officials? Is Ferrari paying them off?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70401

Hamilton falls back even though he was ahead of Raikkonen in the chicane. Raikkonen then does a snake dance to stop Hamilton from passing.

SeaFireLIV
09-07-2008, 11:45 AM
The grand Prix is big money business with MANY vested interests. It`s also corrupt. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

bigbossmalone
09-07-2008, 12:16 PM
Well, whatever the outcome, at least the last 2 laps of this race provided us with some real racing entertainment - a long time Ferrari supporter, I'd give Kimi the 'Dunce of the Day' award, though...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Airmail109
09-07-2008, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by bigbossmalone:
a long time Ferrari supporter

get out....get out now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

arthursmedley
09-07-2008, 03:49 PM
Its because of his 'lack of foreign policy experience.' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Badsight-
09-08-2008, 03:07 AM
Hamilton gets the shaft
& he deserved it

desperation attack & then he refused to back off & take his place in the corner

the corner was kimis, & he was following his line in his corner

lewis didnt want to put up with being behind so cut the track

his "slow down" was a joke & he backed off just so he was ready to out-brake into the next corner

a bs racing tactic

low class

JG52Uther
09-08-2008, 03:51 AM
He cut the corner,so he is lucky that the time penalty still let him keep third.

thefruitbat
09-08-2008, 12:44 PM
he cut the corner because it was the only option kimi left him that didnt involve him taking both himself and kimi out.

I'm with nikki lauder here (3 times world champion) when he said its the worst decision he's ever seen in formula 1.

FIA.... ferrari international assistnce

fruitbat

Taylortony
09-08-2008, 12:50 PM
Fifteen and a half thousand votes as we speak........

http://www.petitiononline.com/belgp08/petition.html

Badsight-
09-09-2008, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by thefruitbat:
he cut the corner because it was the only option kimi left him that didnt involve him taking both himself and kimi out. rubbish

gravel used to be on that part of the corner

when it was there , NO ONE would try holding the line LH did , because you get forced otu by the lead car as it follows its line

& you slow or bog on the gravel

Lewis Hamilton was on a line that wasnt open , his only REAL option was to life & slot in behind the lead car

you are expecting the lead car to lift to allow him to barge thru

thefruitbat
09-09-2008, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by Badsight-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thefruitbat:
he cut the corner because it was the only option kimi left him that didnt involve him taking both himself and kimi out. rubbish

<span class="ev_code_RED">gravel used to be on that part of the corner</span> , because you get forced otu by the lead car as it follows its line

& you slow or bog on the gravel

Lewis Hamilton was on a line that wasnt open , his only REAL option was to life & slot in behind the lead car

you are expecting the lead car to lift to allow him to barge thru </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

USED TO being the operative here. there used to be gravel etc... not now though.

I don't think for one minute that kimi did anything wrong, but nor did LH.

again, i'm with Mr Lauder here.

fruitbat

luftluuver
09-09-2008, 07:10 AM
I don't see any gravel.

old
http://www.spa-francorchamps.be/gfx/circuit/images/24chicane-busstop.jpg

new
http://www.spa-francorchamps.be/gfx/aeriennes2007/images/BLD_7598.jpg

Badsight-
09-10-2008, 03:25 AM
& the barrier for the new chicane used to be closer

he was trying to take a space that wasnt open & instead of backing off he cut the track & was on the car ahead at the following brake point closer than if he had stayed on the track by slotting behind the lead car

basically LH would do great racing online with bs tactics like that

luftluuver
09-10-2008, 05:45 AM
It wasn't open because the Finn muscled him out.

Hamilton had a good teacher with the Schu. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pyrres
09-10-2008, 07:47 AM
Becouse LH cut the corner he got closer to Kimi in to the next corners braking point. So it was unfair advantage to LH, so he got past Kimi. So the judges did the right thing.

stathem
09-10-2008, 07:57 AM
Not as much of an advantage as Hamilton would have had had not Raikkonen closed the door on him at the exit to Bus Stop.

Would Kimi have shut the door if Hamilton had no where to go? (i.e. id there was a wall there).

luftluuver
09-10-2008, 08:21 AM
McLaren have revealed that they were assured by FIA race officials during the Belgian Grand Prix that Lewis Hamilton had done enough, by allowing Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen to repass him, to prevent the British driver from being penalised for cutting a chicane earlier in the duo's epic battle.

"From the pit wall, we asked race control to confirm that they were comfortable that Lewis had allowed Kimi to repass, and they confirmed twice that they believed that the position had been given back in a manner that was 'okay'," explained McLaren's F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh in a statement released on Tuesday.

Following the race, however, Hamilton was handed a 25-second time penalty by the Belgian Grand Prix stewards, after it was ruled he had gained an unfair advantage over Raikkonen. As a result, Hamilton was demoted from first place to third and Ferrari's Felipe Massa was declared the winner of the Spa event.

"If race control had instead expressed any concern regarding Lewis's actions at that time, we would have instructed Lewis to allow Kimi to repass for a second time," added Whitmarsh.

McLaren have now lodged an appeal against the stewards' decision.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/9/8348.html

luftluuver
09-10-2008, 08:23 AM
McLaren confirmed on Tuesday that they have lodged an appeal against the penalty handed to driver Lewis Hamilton following Sunday's Belgian Grand Prix. Hamilton was given a 25-second time penalty by race stewards at Spa-Francorchamps, after they decided he had gained an advantage by cutting a chicane during his late battle with Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen.

"Following our decision to register our intention to appeal the penalty handed out to Lewis Hamilton by the FIA Stewards at the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix, we hereby confirm that we have now lodged notice of appeal," explained McLaren's Formula One CEO Martin Whitmarsh in a statement released by the British squad.

As a result of the time penalty, Ferrari's Felipe Massa was declared the winner of the Belgian race, while Hamilton was dropped to third place.

McLaren's statement in full:
Martin Whitmarsh said: "Following our decision to register our intention to appeal the penalty handed out to Lewis Hamilton by the FIA Stewards at the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix, we hereby confirm that we have now lodged notice of appeal. Lewis describes the incident as follows."

Lewis Hamilton said: "In the closing stages of the race I was catching Kimi (Raikkonen) consistently, lap by lap, and with three laps remaining I got close enough to attempt to overtake him on the entry to the last chicane. I managed to get slightly ahead of him in the braking area for the first apex of the chicane. He fought back approaching the second apex - but, in doing so, he left no room for me on the inside line. The only way for me to avoid a collision was therefore to cut inside the second apex.

"I came out of the second apex in front of Kimi and so I momentarily lifted-off on the straight, to ensure that Kimi got back in front. The team also came on the radio and instructed me to allow Kimi to repass, which I had already done. As a result, Kimi crossed the start/finish line ahead of me and 6.7km/h quicker than me.

"After allowing Kimi to completely repass, I crossed from the left side of the track to the right side of the track, passing behind Kimi in the process. I then attacked Kimi on the inside of the first corner, and successfully outbraked him."

Martin Whitmarsh added: "From the pit wall, we then asked Race Control to confirm that they were comfortable that Lewis had allowed Kimi to repass, and they confirmed twice that they believed that the position had been given back in a manner that was 'okay'.

"If Race Control had instead expressed any concern regarding Lewis's actions at that time, we would have instructed Lewis to allow Kimi to repass for a second time."

Taylortony
09-10-2008, 05:09 PM
If I was McLaren I would Hammer the Trophy flat so it would fit nicely in a padded envelope and post the Constructors cup over to Ferrari if the result stays the same. OR get engraved on it, "Won by McLaren and Donated to Ferrari as they seemed to need it more than us" before sending it on.