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x__CRASH__x
12-25-2003, 10:20 PM
I was pondering this today at my Christmas dinner table as we consumed our roast beast. (Yes, I think about flying at the strangesst times)

So, where does the word "cockpit" come from? Of course, being the sick mind I am, I only derive a naughty definition from it, but I use it in my everyday professional vernacular. (I fly for the Navy) But I've never thought about why anyone would name it "Cockpit"!

In an effort to be more Politically Correct, we in the multi-engine community have shifted to using the term "Flight Station." However, "cockpit" is often used, despite efforts to lead the military away from Satan's path.

So, where do YOU think it came from?

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[This message was edited by x__CRASH__x on Fri December 26 2003 at 12:50 AM.]

x__CRASH__x
12-25-2003, 10:20 PM
I was pondering this today at my Christmas dinner table as we consumed our roast beast. (Yes, I think about flying at the strangesst times)

So, where does the word "cockpit" come from? Of course, being the sick mind I am, I only derive a naughty definition from it, but I use it in my everyday professional vernacular. (I fly for the Navy) But I've never thought about why anyone would name it "Cockpit"!

In an effort to be more Politically Correct, we in the multi-engine community have shifted to using the term "Flight Station." However, "cockpit" is often used, despite efforts to lead the military away from Satan's path.

So, where do YOU think it came from?

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[This message was edited by x__CRASH__x on Fri December 26 2003 at 12:50 AM.]

FW190fan
12-25-2003, 10:32 PM
****-fights.

Put the little buggers in a pit and let them fight to the death.

Like Pit-Bulls.

Anyway, that's my lame guess.

What kind of airplane do you fly?


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adlabs6
12-25-2003, 10:41 PM
Yes, a reference to the arena used for **** fighting.

BTW, Crash, do you call your area "Fight" or "Flight" station?

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VMF513_Viper
12-25-2003, 11:45 PM
Crash,

I always Loved George Carlin's Definition of "Cockpit" Go Download His Airline Announcements bit and you will know what I mean. If not I can send it off to you.

It will put a whole new meaning to the word "Cockpit". LOL

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S 8
12-26-2003, 01:45 AM
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0064.shtml

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x__CRASH__x
12-26-2003, 01:56 AM
It's "Flight Station" Thanks for the correction.

I'm not a pilot. I'm a G.I.B. Guy in Back. I turn the knobs and push the buttons on this:

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Aardvark892
12-26-2003, 02:00 AM
x_Crash_x, S! from the "wimpy service", the Air Force.

Guess I should make that "Sir".

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V_Flatspin
12-26-2003, 03:29 AM
I used to do "Strike" planning when I was in the Nav. The pilot position came up every now and then, and my LCDR made us all refer to it as the "Pilot Interface Module". One of his favorite sayings was: "For every hour of sensitivity training I sit through, you'll do ten". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif **yawn**

Political Correctness will destroy the world.

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x__CRASH__x
12-26-2003, 04:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aardvark892:
Guess I should make that "Sir".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not many Staff Sergeants call a Navy E-6 sir, but what ever floats your boat! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Kuikueg
12-26-2003, 04:43 AM
"-ORIGIN late 16th cent. (in sense 2): from cock1 + pit1. In the early 18th cent. the term was in nautical use, denoting an area in the aft lower deck of a man-of-war where the wounded were taken, later coming to mean "the 'pit' or well in a sailing yacht from which it was steered"; hence the place housing the controls of other vehicles (sense 1, early 20th cent.). "

Oxford dictionary

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Aaron_GT
12-26-2003, 05:36 AM
I hear the cockpit was much more of a **** pit
when those South West pilots were flying naked.
Allegedly.

XyZspineZyX
12-26-2003, 07:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superluminal:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0064.shtml<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the link. There is a lot of interesting information there.

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Cajun76
12-26-2003, 08:59 AM
Well S! to my fellow servicemen, I'm USAF, at Yokota AB, Japan. Hey Crash! Don't you Navy guys know any better!? Your engines are on upside down!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Make sure to inform your crew chief. I should know, I work on the C-130 engines. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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IL2Sorce
12-26-2003, 10:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> In an effort to be more Politically Correct, we in the multi-engine community have shifted to using the term "Flight Station." However, "cockpit" is often used, despite efforts to lead the military away from Satan's path. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You sad, sad people ... *Is very anti-political correctness*

OberstWileyII
12-26-2003, 02:23 PM
Cockpit comes from nautical terminology....generally, it is the location on a boat from which it is controlled/steered.

A couple of definitions:

COCKPIT: An opening in the deck from which the boat is handled

Cockpit - the area, below deck level, that is somewhat more protected than the open deck, from which the tiller or wheel is handled.

For example, where you sit in a Kayak is the Cockpit.

Pictures:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/wi/wileycoyote2/boatsideview.jpg
http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/wi/wileycoyote2/boattopview.jpg


So...as with Rudder, for example, many aircraft parts and other related aspects were named following naval tradition.

Sooo...the question is, where did the nautical term cockpit come from? Well, this might help a bit:
Coxswain
A coxswain or cockswain was at first the swain (boy servant) in charge of the small **** or cockboat that was kept aboard for the ship's captain and which was used to row him to and from the ship. The term has been in use in England dating back to at least 1463. With the passing of time the coxswain became the helmsman of any boat, regardless of size.


Sooooo...the coxswain would stand/sit in the area from which the boat would be controlled, i.e., at the helm....which would be in the cockpit.


But, now the question becomes, why was that small boat, which the boy swain was in charge of, called a "****" or "cockboat"?

Welll....
Cockboat:
NOUN: A small rowboat, especially one used to ferry supplies from ship to shore. Also called cockleboat.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English cokboot : cok, cockboat (from Anglo-Norman coque, probably ultimately from Latin caudica, from caudex, caudic-, tree trunk) + boot, boat; see boat.



A Second version, or variation, of the origin is summarized here. although this one doesn't make muchlogical sense, in my opinion:

The term cockpit has been with us since at least 1587(back then, it only had meaning as the place where **** fights were held). By 1635 the word was being generally used for the similarly-shaped lowest seating area in a theatre, and in the seventeenth century a London theatre was named The Cockpit. The term Cockpit was later used to refer to the Government buildings housing the Treasury and Privy Council in London, which were situated on the site of the former theatre, The Cockpit. By 1706 the British Navy had adopted the word: on a man o' war the name was given to a section on the after part of the orlop deck, below the waterline, used as quarters for junior officers and for treating the wounded during battle.

Perhaps "cockpit" came to be used for the part of the ship where it was steered/controlled, much as the "Cockpit" housing the governing bodies of the Treasury and Privy council controlled/or steered the government??

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DaBallz
12-27-2003, 04:40 AM
The naval tradition is the correct reference.
Then again aircraft and airframe building have
more in common with naval techniques than anything
else. Naval techniques such as lofting and
descriptions such as water lines are most definately
ship building holdovers.

But I like the birds/**** fight reference.

In the USAF we call the cockpit a flight deck.
The various seating arrangments are called flight stations.

But if you ask where the pilot sits any crew chief
will call is a cockpit.

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