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IronKestrel
01-13-2006, 11:54 AM
I know some planes are named differently in Il-2 and may be under another countries designation. Which plane is the Curtiss Hawk? According to this site it was designated the P-36 by the USN.
http://members.tripod.com/peterlewisdesign/thaimuseum/hawk75.htm


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IronKestrel
01-13-2006, 11:54 AM
I know some planes are named differently in Il-2 and may be under another countries designation. Which plane is the Curtiss Hawk? According to this site it was designated the P-36 by the USN.
http://members.tripod.com/peterlewisdesign/thaimuseum/hawk75.htm


If you care, I had to make a new account (apparently I lied about my age!) I used to be OldPepper (Not "Pepper" and not Waldo either.)

Kuna15
01-13-2006, 12:28 PM
Yes P-36 would be that plane - Hawk 75 in game.

BTW I noticed your registration date is today - friday the 13th http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Tater-SW-
01-13-2006, 12:50 PM
The USN wouldn't have called it the P-36, even if they had had any. You mean USAAC (later in 1941, USAAF). The USN naming scheme for planes was Role, serial contract with MFG for role, MFG, subtype.

F4F-4. Fighter, 4th fighter contract with manufacturer, Grumman, 4th subtype.

SBD-3. Scout Bomber, (1st contract gets no number), Douglas, 3d subtype.

Interestingly, the IJN used the same system (A6M2: A=fighter, 6th contract with M=Mitsubishi, 2d subtype).

tater

berg417448
01-13-2006, 01:15 PM
The letter "A" in the IJN system actually referred to Carrier borne fighter. The letter J designated Land based fighter.

IronKestrel
01-13-2006, 02:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
The USN wouldn't have called it the P-36, even if they had had any. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, thanks for the correction, and the info on this bird. Using Hawk 75 in search yielded a lot more info. This one was particularly in-depth.
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2003/11/stuff_eng_profile_h75.htm

So it's likely the Hawk met up with Ki-43's and possibly early 109s and 110s in the early years, correct? I should go look-see for the single missions in game after work. (And after setting up my new stick/hotas...)

It's kinda cool to have had to re-reg today! I don't know who will have the bad luck, although it's usually ME!

Chuck_Older
01-13-2006, 02:53 PM
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P-36 was not the first Curtiss Hawk, either http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

What I think you may be referring to is the Hawk 75 versus the P-36

The P-36 is the USAAC version of the fighter. The H75 is the export variant, the same way the H81 is the Curtiss Hawk 81, and the USAAC/USAAF verison is the P-40

Hoatee
01-13-2006, 04:02 PM
Hawk 75 is not flyable ingame - you'll have to play BG Europe for that.

IronKestrel
01-13-2006, 06:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
the USAAC/USAAF verison is the P-40 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are Pooping me?! The Hawk and the P-40 dont look the same. Do they?

Im a HUGE P-40 fan and this tidbit never crossed my mind. They cant be the same!?

berg417448
01-13-2006, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IronKestrel:

Are Pooping me?! The Hawk and the P-40 dont look the same. Do they?

Im a HUGE P-40 fan and this tidbit never crossed my mind. They cant be the same!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He was referring to the Hawk 81...not the HAWK 75. go here to see the history and development of the P-36/P-40 series by Curtiss: http://www.curtisswright.com/history/1934-1941.asp



Hawk 81/ P-40B
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/p40bdc_1.jpg

Nimits
01-13-2006, 06:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">P-40 fan and this tidbit never crossed </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are Pooping me?! The Hawk and the P-40 dont look the same. Do they?

Im a HUGE P-40 fan and this tidbit never crossed my mind. They cant be the same!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The P-40 is basically a P-36 with an liquid-cooled inline, rather than an air-cooled radial engine. If you look at a P-36 and an early model P-40 side by side, you will notice they are nearly identical up to the leading edge of the wings

Chuck_Older
01-14-2006, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IronKestrel:

Are Pooping me?! The Hawk and the P-40 dont look the same. Do they?

Im a HUGE P-40 fan and this tidbit never crossed my mind. They cant be the same!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He was referring to the Hawk 81...not the HAWK 75. go here to see the history and development of the P-36/P-40 series by Curtiss: http://www.curtisswright.com/history/1934-1941.asp



Hawk 81/ P-40B
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/p40bdc_1.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now THAT is one great model of Charles Older's White 68! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

have you seen Macwan's latest Charles Older AVG skin?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/XMAS.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/avg68.jpg

I think Macwan's got the colors spot on, the first skinner to do so IMHO. Obelix is doing some fanatstic skins for the AVG right now, but I feel his colors are just a touch off. It seems odd to many, I guess, that the real colors could be vibrant, but all the way from the charts I used when I made models of AVG planes as a kid, to color photos I have access to now, indicate brighter colors than is usually thought. Is that model yours?


IronKestrel-

it is interesting to note that Curtiss made a prototype YP-37 from the H75, with a turbocharged Allison V-1710-21, that was pushed into the shadows by their own H81/P-40 design, which was itself made from a P-36A, in 1938, when the 10th P-36A was pulled off the assembly line for an experimental installation of an inline liquid cooled engine. The initial H81 prototype had the radiator mounted aft of the wing, but otherwise looks very much the same as the H81 you see in-game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

berg417448
01-14-2006, 09:56 AM
Not my model...I wish I was that good when I used to model planes! The model photo just happened to be the first photo I found when I did an image search for the Hawk 81.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horseback
01-14-2006, 05:29 PM
Many, many moons ago (1998?-possibly earlier), Finescale Modeler published an article about Curtiss' use of Dupont camoflauge paints 'approximating' the British 'Sand and Spinach' early war dayfighter scheme; I think the recommended enamel paints were Pollyscale's US Green 41 and Italian Chestnut Brown vice British Dark Green and Dark Earth for the topside, and a light blue rather than the Duckegg Green of the RAF paintscheme for the undersides.

As for the question of the Hawk being the same as the P-40, I think the original statement had to do with the similarity of the Hawk 75's cockpit to the Hawk 81/P-40/B/C cockpits.

All Curtiss fighters were called Hawks. It took the British to break the monotony by calling the Hawk 75 the Mohawk, the Model 81 the Tomahawk, and the Hawk 87 the Kittyhawk.

cheers

horseback

Jambock__01
01-16-2006, 08:13 AM
Hawk 75 is the EXPORT version. P-36 is the name of the american one. The same for Hawk 81/ P-40B.

There are lil diferences between the export version and the american version as well...

As you can see in game, Hawk 75A-3/4 are axis plane. Those planes were sale to France, captured by Luftwaffe who sale to Finland.

Regards

IronKestrel
01-16-2006, 05:44 PM
It's too bad the p-36 and/or the Hawk 75 arn't flyable (yet, hint!)

There would be a rich campaign environment for it in the failed air defense of France similar in allure to the Finnish Brewster Buffalo campaigns http://hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/faf/brewster.html ! Niche era-geek stuff for sure, but the Hawk 75 made a great showing vs early Emils 110s and such. Rich era campaigning for sure. What's also funny would be if the throttle was modeled in reverse (back to full throttle) as the French delivered Hawks had it! Make a few folks auger quick with that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Hawks were then utilized by the Axis afterward as well. Very rich campaigning! If you could be a pilot for both sides using it.

vocatx
01-16-2006, 06:27 PM
Battle of France would be fun, but I would love to try them in Ccrashh's Philippines 1941 co-ops. I know it would probably be a lesson in futility, but the P-36 just looks sooooo good.

GerritJ9
01-17-2006, 07:12 AM
The USAAC did not fly P-36s over the Philippines, but Seversky P-35s which were originally intended for Sweden.
The KNIL used Hawk 75A-7s (similar to the French A-4s) over Java, Sumatra and Malaya, and the RAF used Mohawks over Burma.

DIRTY-MAC
01-17-2006, 08:28 AM
The China used them to,

also
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
USA
Britain
Thailand
Finland
France
France (Vichy)
Germany

you can find them in every theatre of operations

Jambock__01
01-17-2006, 02:00 PM
Brasil got 10 P-36A too, all Pearl Harbour veterans.

KrashanTopolova
01-17-2006, 06:24 PM
Curtiss P-36 Hawk
USAAC as augmentation for seversky P-35s

Hawks were on station in Hawaii at time of Pearl Harbour and a few rose to take on the Japs; actually claiming a few victories.

Mostly were deployed in continental US in 1939-40. For example the 35th Pursuit Squadron at Langley Field, Virginia. Then Mitchell Field NY
These aircraft had the red stripes on the rudder which later in the war were taken off all US aircraft in case the stripes were mistaken for Jap rising sun emblem. The red centre of early US markings were also taken off in case of being mistaken for red decal of Japanese aircraft.

Max Speed: 311 mph (501 kp/h)

IronKestrel
01-18-2006, 09:27 AM
Wikipedia has a lot on info on this bird as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-36_Hawk

Would be nice a ddition to this sim for Early-war campaigners.