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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:42 AM
Salute!

For all those who are interested in development of Polish aircraft for FB, here is the link to my thread in IL-2 Center Forum:
http://www.il2center.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=1558

Here you'll find news about PZL P.37 'Los' being built by David Zurawski (creator of PZL P.11c) and about other nifty projects like P.24 fighter or P.23 'Karas' bomber.

Stay tuned for new screenshots of RWD-14!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:42 AM
Salute!

For all those who are interested in development of Polish aircraft for FB, here is the link to my thread in IL-2 Center Forum:
http://www.il2center.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=1558

Here you'll find news about PZL P.37 'Los' being built by David Zurawski (creator of PZL P.11c) and about other nifty projects like P.24 fighter or P.23 'Karas' bomber.

Stay tuned for new screenshots of RWD-14!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:02 AM
how do you start the engine on a polish plane?...........20 guys hold the prop and they spin the plane !!!!............erm......COUGH.......... ah........had to do it....had to.........somebody had to....

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:12 AM
After reading that last post I thought, wow that's just not cool man. I don't think ethnic jokes have any place here in the forums. Maybe its just that I'm from Wisconsin, where there is a large Polish community. I don't know, I just thought it was very uncalled for.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:14 AM
Skibicki wrote:

Could not get to the link. Salute!



Message Edited on 07/21/0307:14PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:38 AM
lol eucalyptus!!!... ive been to wisconson and my dad is half polish. nobility of course http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif the family names are two lines of polocks. Antkowiak and Wegnerovich. but even if i wasnt quarter polish id still crack jokes. only a COMPLETE lamo would find it offensive. i grew up with polock jokes im from PA. ....pa people make fun of all ethnicities. polocks, colecrackers, pennsylvania dutch...actually duetsch i know but they spell it other way etc. so in conclusion i raise my adult beverage of choice and say NAZDROWIE.... which i learned as a child. it means i believe... to your health in polock http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif p.s. i love real polish kilbasi with my eggs. gods this guy must be an HR person in a big company or somethin.

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07-22-2003, 05:01 AM
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Polish Air Force Aces...over Poland, France, UK, etc...

---> http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/poland.htm

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:04 AM
UCLANUPE, how come you say "maybe it's because I'm from Wisconsin" in every post you make. You should make it part of your sig. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:06 AM
Not exactly. I'm an HR person for all humanity period. Making excuses for ethnic jokes is just as lame as the jokes themselves.

BTW, I have no personal thing its just that anything that is even close to racial ethnic slurs/jokes etc.. just does not have a place here in this public forum period.

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Message Edited on 07/21/0310:07PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:33 AM
Ok, finally got to see the early models. They look good. Nice to see you guys working hard to get your stuff properly represented S!



Message Edited on 07/21/0310:34PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:47 AM
need more polish planes..i love the P-11

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:01 AM
eucalyptus you are an idiot. god....

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 10:37 AM
About the link: Luthier's website sometimes goes down for few hours - if it doesn't work then try again later.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 10:15 PM
OK, a little update about P.24:

Today I've received an excellent P.24 monograph by Mr. Przemyslaw Skulski from ACE Publication ( http://www.ace-publication.wroclaw.pl/indexen.htm ), who had sent it to me for free thus showing his support to our cause.

I found it very interesting - the book contains set of detailed plans drawn by Marek Rys (in 1/48 scale) which will be very useful for Janusz, who is making P.24 (F and G).
So we will have many pictures of Greek & Turkish P.24s and also details of the cockpit.

The P.24 monograph is but one in the series of books: other featured a/c are e.g.: Me 163 'Komet', Nakajima Ki 43 'Oscar', P-47 'Thunderbolt', Fokker D.XXI
(Check them out and don't worry - though these are Polish books they have captions and summary in English.)

Janusz is a bit busy with RL now, but he told me he'll finish that plane no matter what! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm also compiling a bug report for Oleg (about P.11c) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Rola

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Message Edited on 07/23/0311:27PM by Skibicki

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 03:06 AM
Skibicki::
- I'm also compiling a bug report for Oleg (about P.11c) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

That is my fave plane to just kick around in. Beats everything else in the sky for just plane fun. Would make fun official FB trainer if it was advertised as such in the (minimalist) FB manual.

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 03:56 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- eucalyptus you are an idiot. god....

Let's see.

You're the one making slurs. Then you try to defend them by claiming you're partly Polish, as if that entitles you somehow (which it doesn't).

You then wind up insulting the guy who called you on it.



You haven't exactly covered yourself with glory there, pal.





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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 06:34 AM
Icarus999 wrote:
-
- RedDeth wrote:
-- eucalyptus you are an idiot. god....
-
- Let's see.
-
- You're the one making slurs. Then you try to defend
- them by claiming you're partly Polish, as if that
- entitles you somehow (which it doesn't).
-
- You then wind up insulting the guy who called you on
- it.
-
-
-
- You haven't exactly covered yourself with glory
- there, pal.
-
-
Very well stated. RedDeth. everything will be ok dude no worries, but you were wrong and ya know it.

Now to the topic, those planes are coming along nicely and they really have some good info. Thanks again for sharing this info with us. So often these men and their story is overlooked. Well you guys are going a long way in changing that. Excellent work.

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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 06:53 AM
uclanupe if you find that offensive you are a total loss. your the only one who complained about a joke. if you find that offensive you really shouldnt step outside of your house ever. because you wouldnt even be able to handle any social situation. you are way off base. waaaay off. there was no racial remarks. since you have no clue i will tell you why. POLISH PEOPLE ARE WHITE. get it? and a large segment of the polish people were germans anyway . but you wouldnt know that as youve got your head so far up your asshat you can taste your own brylcreme.

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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 11:28 AM
I don`t think Polish planes would be a good addition.They`re performing worse than VVS aircraft,so I don`t think flying them would be fun.P11 hasn`t got much attention attached to it,so it`s waaay too good for RL.IMO there`s no point in modelling Polish aircraft with <u>realistic FM</u>.


Nice work though.



RedDeth,I don`t get the joke.I`ve heard everything they say about Polish,but planes?Are they known for their crappiness or something?AFAIK Poland exports many types of planes to other countries and they`re known as very successful cunstructions.



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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 02:17 PM
That the fascists were desperate enough to start the game of shooting parachutes shows that Polish aircraft and pilots may have been a real threat to the Luftwaffe.

---> http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/pol39/pol39.htm

I guess that was the Eastern Front "Salute!" for all sides.

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 02:33 PM
RedDeth wrote:
- uclanupe if you find that offensive you are a total
- loss. your the only one who complained about a joke.
- if you find that offensive you really shouldnt step
- outside of your house ever. because you wouldnt even
- be able to handle any social situation. you are way
- off base. waaaay off. there was no racial remarks.
- since you have no clue i will tell you why. POLISH
- PEOPLE ARE WHITE. get it? and a large segment of
- the polish people were germans anyway . but you
- wouldnt know that as youve got your head so far up
- your asshat you can taste your own brylcreme.

I said racial or ethnic slurs. You made an ethnic slur and you know that you were wrong for doing so. There are at least two others in this thread who have tried to get you to understand this, the rest just view your comments as pathetic and won't waste their time pointing out the obvious.

Get a grip bud, admit your mistake and move away from personal attacks. You'll find the air on this side of this issue much fresher. Once again you really need to recognize that racial/ethnic slurs/joke are not welcomed here. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Message Edited on 07/24/0306:34AM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 02:49 PM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:
- That the fascists were desperate enough to start the
- game of shooting parachutes shows that Polish
- aircraft and pilots may have been a real threat to
- the Luftwaffe.
-
----> http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/pol39/pol39.htm
-
- I guess that was the Eastern Front "Salute!" for all
- sides.

The shooting of bailed-out pilots was not contained to the Eastern front nor to the Germans. Pilots from every major belligerent did that.

Another thing is that I don't really know whether it was forbidden in the Geneva/Hague conventions or not. Does anyone?

cheers/slush



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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 02:54 PM
carguy_ wrote:
- I don`t think Polish planes would be a good
- addition.They`re performing worse than VVS
- aircraft,so I don`t think flying them would be
- fun.P11 hasn`t got much attention attached to it,so
- it`s waaay too good for RL.IMO there`s no point in
- modelling Polish aircraft with <u>realistic FM</u>.
-
-
- Nice work though.

Yeah, nice work. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

IMHO Polish planes could be extremely cool. The more of the unknowns, the better. And I would love to go dogfighting in them against I-16's and I-153's /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

As for the P.11 being over-modelled, I don't know. Do you? Historically its performance against the Luftwaffe was quite good you know. If you have RL flight data that contradicts the current performance of the P.11, then why not send it of to Oleg?

cheers/slush

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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 05:39 PM
OMG! Some people here really need a job... Holy s**t - some of you are so full of c**p that no wonder that Oleg doesn't visit his forum very often. If you have sth against Poles themselves there are OTHER forums for that - THIS IS A IL-2 FORUM! You know - about that darn GAME!!

Another thing - many of you don't know s**t about history. If only you knew there are other things to read than Batman's illustrated adventures...

Enough of these rants! This could only get this topic locked! Now - BACK ON TOPIC!


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*** Lousy Polish planes vs. super-aircraft made in USSR:

Rata was actually less agile than P.11c, it was a bit faster though. Note that P.11c was FROM 1934 (not what Object Viewer says....) and it wasn't that bad at the time - comparable with P-26 'Peashooter' or other designs. It got old, though, by 1939 and it was inferior to Luftwaffe a/c then.

Please remember that Russian planes in the game have their performance "slightly" beefed up - it's "historical" because few a/c had this performance ONLY during tests - the problem is that the rest (whole production series, that is) wasn't up to their stats. But I don't blame Oleg for this...

Oh, BTW: Have you heard who won Challenge in 1932? Or who beat up German Bf109 prototype at Challenge 1934? Or who had high place at National Air Races in Cleveland, USA?.... Wait - who am I talking to - you don't know the history...
(My apologies for those here who do.)


*** Polish planes don't fit into Eastern Front

(BUZZ! WRONG! I'm sorry - you've lost $10000...)
Poles evacuated their AF to Romania (they were also supposed to receive shipments of Hurricanes that were heading to southern Europe shores) which INTERNED their a/c.
Add to it many planes sold to them in the 30s (and to other countries: Turkey, Greece [yes! The Grecians! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif], Hungary...).
Romania was fighting on the Eastern Front (teamed up with Germans) - remember the IAR-80 & IAR-81?? (They were using recycled parts from P.11 to build them.) There were full squadrons in 1941 armed with P.11s, P.37s and other Polish aircraft that fought on Eastern Front against USSR. Check in the BOOKS if you don't believe me.
http://www.arr.go.ro


*** Polish planes are underpowered - they sux in dogfights

Performance issue of P.11c was described above. Now:
* P.24 - improved P.11c with closed cockpit and stronger engine - speed up to 430 km/h (267 mph) - armament: F: 2x20mm+2x7.92mm (Browning .30), G: 4x7.92 (Browning .30)
* P.23 - light bomber - performance similar to Ju-87 or D3A Val - 700kg of bombs, 2x7.92mm
* P.37 - medium bomber - top speed 412 km/h (256 mph) - almost 2400 kg of bombs, 3x7.92mm

So quit whinning.

And "there`s no point in modelling Polish aircraft with realistic FM" is just absurd - so you like UFO-planes? Go play "Crimson Skies"!!!


I want to apologize all reasonable thinking people on this thread - I simply had to educate some individuals here...

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Message Edited on 07/24/0306:43PM by Skibicki

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 07:21 PM
P11c (and TB~3) both make me want more 1930s aircraft.

Did any Polish aircraft survive to battle the Stalinists when they marched into Poland with the Hitlerites?

Skibicki, have you tried posting here....?

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*** Polish planes don't fit into Eastern Front

Who said that? Buzz said that? Our very own BuzzU? Damn he/she better get a Patch pretty soon.

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 07:48 PM
RedDeth wrote:
- uclanupe if you find that offensive you are a total
- loss. your the only one who complained about a joke.

I take it math isn't your strong suit? Look again.





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XyZspineZyX
07-24-2003, 09:37 PM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:
- P11c (and TB~3) both make me want more 1930s
- aircraft.

You read my mind http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

- Did any Polish aircraft survive to battle the
- Stalinists when they marched into Poland with the
- Hitlerites?

Yes, one P.11c (can't find the pilot's name right now) shot down 2 Soviet SB-2 bombers and damaged 3rd one near Ottynia (eastern Poland). Unfortunately he ran out of fuel and had to land behind enemy lines... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But on 17/18th of September the Polish Air Force was evacuating to Romania to regroup there (but as you know things got complicated... as Romanans interned our planes and other equipment)

- Skibicki, have you tried posting here....?
- http://oldsite.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=98;hardset=;start_point =;DaysPrune=

Yes - here's my thread:
http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=002159

Actually, I use "Rola" as my nick (And I had it on this forum, too - I just forgot about my account here :P and I'm too lazy to recover password and start over)


- *** Polish planes don't fit into Eastern Front
-
- Who said that? Buzz said that? Our very own BuzzU?
- Damn he/she better get a Patch pretty soon.

No! It was me doing the "buzz" sound! (like in quiz shows when you give wrong answer). BuzzU has nothing to it!

This was to counter the argument that Polish planes have no place in FB.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:03 PM
bumpty dumpty

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 10:10 PM
with my dedication to LEXX_Luthor (thanks for bumping this thread!)


OK, I'm going to put here some cool facts about Polish planes from 30's. (This will be split into parts in order not to bore you to death http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )


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Pulawski fighters:
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The early fighters:
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*** Sigmond Pulawski invented his wing (also called "the Polish wing") for his first fighter prototype - P.1

*** The P.1 prototype, designed from 1928, made its maiden flight on August 1929

*** The Polish wing design has inspired many constructors around the world: during the years 1932-36, a dozen of monoplanes (serial production: Loire 46, France) and biplanes (serial production: I-15 [1933] & I-153 [1938], USSR) were designed with gull wing. American seaplane, Martin Mariner [1939] also used such wing.

FunFact: Soviet authorities forced Polikarpov to rebuild the gull wing on I-15 as it was considered "imperialistic" (because it was invented by Poles) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
This led to I-152 [1937] which turned out to be inferior to I-15 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
So they went back to Polish gull wings in I-153...

*** Next Pulawski's designs use the semi-shell fuselage construction (this was a new technology introduced by Jack Northrop at that time)

*** New (very similar) designs: P.6 (with Bristol Jupiter VI engine) and P.7 which later became serial produced fighter (with Bristol Jupiter VII engine)

*** first flight of P.7 prototype on October 1930

*** December 1930 - P.6 is shown on International Aviation Expo in Paris - thanks to cpt B.Orlinski's acrobatics the plane is hailed "the best fighter plane in the world"

*** August/September 1931 - cpt B.Orlinski in his P.6 wins National Air Races, Cleveland, USA - beating pilots like Udet(Germany), Bernardi(Italy), Atcherly(UK), Williams(USA) and Kubita(Czechoslovakia)

*** 1933/34 - serial production of P.7a fighter in PZL factories (Panstwowe Zaklady Lotnicze = State Aircraft Works)
Polish Air Force is first in the world to be armed only with all-metal fighter planes



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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 01:35 AM
Skibicki wrote:
*** The Polish wing design has inspired many constructors around the world: during the years 1932-36, a dozen of monoplanes (serial production: Loire 46, France) and biplanes (serial production: I-15 [1933] & I-153 [1938], USSR) were designed with gull wing. American seaplane, Martin Mariner [1939] also used such wing.

A friend of mine told me about the Polish designs that had made their way into many of the warplanes of WWII. To be truthful I was somewhat reserve in my total belief in his "rants". However, atfer you posted this info it gave me renewed interest in the subject. Thanks for this info and keep it coming. Maybe I can impress him with some of this info next time we speak. S!


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:05 AM
I have to "update" my reply to LEXX_Luthor's question, since I bought some new books with revised info:

*** The SB-2 downed by Polish P.11c on September 17th (2 confirmed kills, 1 probable) were bombing railroad station in Nadworna.

*** 2nd lt. Stanislaw Zatorski was attacked in the morning of that day near Rokitno by a fighter zveno of one I-16 and two I-153. He downed one of the I-153 and damaged another, but was badly hit and crash landed near Sarny.

*** At this time 2nd lt. Tadeusz Koc shot down a R-5 recon plane.

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Interesting news: check out this thread by Starshoy (SimHQ forum):
http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=002579



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 10:19 AM
Bring on the Polish planes! They would be a great addition to the stable we already have, and would represent another largely forgotton battle of WW2.

Maybe a campaign following a Polish pilot from the Fall of 1939 through the Battle of France (oh, for a Caudron 714...) and on to the RAF...and even on to a US Thunderbolt squadron, a la Mike Gladych?

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:40 PM
And, why not? IL-2 is a simulator that tries to recreate real situations. The fact is that Polish planes faced the Luftwaffe and the VVS, and they did it quite well. They were the FIRST allied planes to fight in WWII, and they managed to shoot down many enemy aircraft against all odds.

So don't you underestimate the capacity of those planes. Slow as they are, they can still give you a surprise due to their handling and circling abilities. And they're quite pretty, too. I really want to fly those reliable planes, even if they're bound to be beaten anyway.

However, P.37 Los was a modern, competent bomber by 1939.

P.23s and P.11s against the Luftwaffe? Yes, it's hard. Yes, it WAS hard. Consider it a challenge.

- Dux Corvan -

"It doesn't matter how good you are: In a crowded dogfight even the most experienced ace can be downed by a rookie; so, surviving an air war is just a matter of luck. However, an agressive attitude is the only one that gives you a chance to live, for runners are generally chased to death."
(Captain Lacalle, ace of the Republican Air Force during the Spanish Civil War.)

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:47 PM
Dood, you are soo far off track.

I'll agree that ethnic jokes should go elsewhere, but
Look at your sig. First you say ethnic jokes are uncalled for, then you say at in your sig 'AMERICA LOVE IT OR GET THE ***K OUT!'. Who are you to be the moral arbiter of America? It looks like you are trying to supress the diversity of opinion that this country was founded on. This politically correct crap is going way too far.

PS, 'I'm from Michigan', my wife is polish along with 50% of the people I know, and I thought it was funny..

Relax.. People like you are forcing peoples differences into dark little corners where eventually they spring out - In violence. Hitler didn't like people to have different opinions either...


UCLANUPE wrote:
- Not exactly. I'm an HR person for all humanity
- period. Making excuses for ethnic jokes is just as
- lame as the jokes themselves.
-
- BTW, I have no personal thing its just that anything
- that is even close to racial ethnic slurs/jokes
- etc.. just does not have a place here in this public
- forum period.
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- AMERICA LOVE IT OR GET THE ***K OUT!
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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 01:14 PM
I think a Polish planes project will be awesome.

I can only hope that one day we will have the appropriate maps like Warsaw, etc. to be able to re-create missions from September 1939.

This would also make a Polish campaign from beginning to end possible. This actually opens up a whole new realm for FB.

I would love to see FB model all theatres and campaigns for WWII. Poland is a logical and welcome step. Thanks for your work!


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 10:52 PM
I'm glad to see that the project received positive feedback /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


Quax46 - I'd love to make both France'40 and RAF campaigns - the problem is we don't have maps... we have a/c (MS406 for France, Hurricane Mk.I, Mk.IIb & Mk.IIc for RAF) and skins (I made a set of emblems for all Polish fighter SQs in RAF, sent to Starshoy/Oleg) but without maps.... if we get the France map which is being built by Luthier (not in this add-on, though) there will be a chance for France'40 dynamic campaign.

FW190fan - do you know that Poland used few captured Fw 190s after the war for training the crews? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I also crave for Warsaw map - it would allow to recreate most of the fighting from September 1939 and it could also serve for 1944 campaign (liberating the capital).

I'm preparing two campaigns for Starshoy - I'm still collecting historical reference for them: fighter and sturmovik career for Polish People's Army Aviation - Berlin'45 dynamic campaign (very easy to do, as this AF was almost Russian /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) and fighter career for Polish Air Force - Lvov'39 scripted campaign (series of missions) and at least one single mission (PAF vs VVS).

If we'd be able to prepare the one set in 1939, then we will finally have some use for Polish ranks/awards. The speech pack was recorded, now in post-production.

My friends at the Polish IL-2/FB Forum are helping me out as well! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
http://www.il2forum.prv.pl/index.php



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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 11:33 AM
For Polish flyboy, like me, every a/c and map is cool:
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Xanty's CR.42?

Great! Italian CR.42s vs Greek PZL P.24F/Gs /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



Early Mustangs?

How about "30 seconds over Stavanger", starring: F/Lt Janusz Lewkowicz from 309th Fighter SQ, in other words "Those crazy Poles in those Yankee planes!" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Surprisingly, it wasn't untill after that flight that Mustangs were assigned to long range missions... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://www.geocities.com/skrzydla1/309/309_story.html
(middle of the page)



French map?

France 1940 and the "funnel squadrons" defending French factories (someday I'll tell you the story how Poles evaded capture by Vichy(French) troops and flew to Britain)
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/henne/henne.htm
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/chalupa/chalupa.htm



BoB?

Oooh, I don't need to mention 303rd SQ and the others? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



North Africa/Mediterranen?

Skalski's Circus riding Spitfires has YOU! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/skalski/skalski.htm



Japanese planes? P-40s?

Another crazy Pole, Witold Urbanowicz, left his cosy armchair in the Polish Embassy in USA and volunteered for "Flying Tigers"!
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/urbano/urbano.htm


OMG! Those Poles are everywhere - I'm too scared to open the fridge... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:57 PM
First pics of Polish Award Pack are posted here:
http://oldsite.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=98&t=002579#000020


The campaign and single missions are now under development.



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:44 PM
OK, I have put the images on different webhost, so for all screenshot-hungry people out here:



PZL P.24 - fighter - modeled by Janusz:

http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/P24_01.jpg



PZL P.23 "Karas" - light bomber - modeled by Foxtrot

http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/pzl23_015.jpg



PZL P.37 "Los" - medium bomber - modeled by David Zurawski

http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/p37_109a.gif



RWD-14 "Czapla" - recon plane - modeled by Doktor

http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/RWD-14_01.jpg



I expect an update from Zurawski next week...



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:18 PM
WOW! Czapla! Rola you bustard! You didnt tell enything... P24 is beautifull. Big BumP!

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:23 PM
Rola this is great. Those models look very sharp. Keep us in the loop as far as add-ons are concerned.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:49 PM
Rola, good to see you're present on the Netwing forum, the new "Il-2.center"!

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:32 PM
i thought the slur was about a sucky engine :\
anyways the poles fought very bravely throughout the war, i think some calvery unit even charged panzers!
i cant see the project tho /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif think its my pc and screwed dns /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 02:40 PM
Just a small update from David:

http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/p37_229_04.gif

http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/p37_229_10.gif

http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/p37_229_11.gif

http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/p37_229_12.gif



I'm finishing my hi-res skin for P.11c...



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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 07:20 PM
Rola nice update. Sweet model. Thx.

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:52 PM
polish planes wont make it into FB. they are shutting down and moving on to battle of britain after this fall. all new game engine.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 08:55 AM
Lo and behold /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif - I have finished the new hi-res skin for PZL P.11c.
David rendered it on his model and this is how it may look in the next add-on:


http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/08.jpg


http://members.fortunecity.com/rola/sturmovik/10.jpg



I only need to fix little things like wheels or some more weathering - then it goes to Oleg.



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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:18 AM
Good post mr !


I really like the p11 map on GreaterGreen. I flew on it last night and had the greatest time, laughing and smiling all trough the map.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:47 AM
Pienknie!! ( I hope I spelled that right, I speak and read Polish better than I write ) anyway, everyone knows only a Pollock can make fun of Poles, so RedDeath is at least half within his rights to make Polish jokes.

The P37, from what my father told me, outclassed all twin engine aircraft 'til the Mosquito

UCLANUPE - "AMERICA LOVE IT OR GET THE ***K OUT!"??
talk like that scares the hell out of me.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:59 AM
more enemy planes were downed by P.11s
then they self were shot down.
The Poles were great fighterpilots

VICTOR MAY HAVE BEEN A WEIRDO,BUT HE WAS A DAMN GOOD FIGHTERPILOT.
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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 02:52 PM
The P-11 is a hard plane to win with, but with a little hard flying it can be done in IL-2 FB's. It was out classed at the by the time WW2 rolled around. But Polish pilots put up a vallent fight. Most surviving aircraft were flown to Romania and use by that country. As said it was parted out and used in the IA-80. I hope further devolpment for the P-24 is in the near furture. It will be a Excellant add on. Even though it was only in devolpement stage when Poland surrendered.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 06:03 PM
you crack me up with this political correctness crap http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

as long as the joke is funny ... its fine by me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

and i don't like that you have to be "polish" to tell jokes about the polish ...... so only Seinfeld can make fun of the jewish ...... and only Helgi Schneider can make fun of the Germans ..... where is this going ?

bashing people like that is usually a trick to hide one's own racial agenda ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 06:04 PM
ohhh ... and BUMP on the polish planes project !

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 06:05 PM
skibicki ... thanks for this link you posted ... S!

http://www.arr.go.ro/

great stuff

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 08:39 PM
Awesome!

-- We tried several methods of attack: from the front, from the
-- side, on the vertical etc. From behind it was certain death.

lifted from the Ioan Dobran interview.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:54 PM
Great update. Thank you very much!

BTW, those disturbed by my get the ***k out comment should not be. That is, unless you live in America and are some kind of subversive. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 05:18 AM
Mega-bump the Polish planes. If only we had a Grumman Skyrocket to go along with them we could have a Blackhawks v. Nazis campaign to beat everything. HAWKKAAA!

BTW, I liked the joke. I don't think any normal person of any extraction would be offended by it. Guess that's 'cause I'm from Chicago....

TT



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