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AC-FANBOY
11-01-2010, 05:38 AM
http://www.computerandvideogam...rticle.php?id=270248 (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=270248)

"Machiavelli will play a much larger role in Brotherhood than he did in AC2. He's the leader of the Assassins in Rome when Ezio arrives and he's not going to just let Ezio come in and take charge. So expect some competition between Ezio and Machiavelli"


Dam, I knew he was jealous of Ezio LOL.

PhiIs1618033
11-01-2010, 05:55 AM
This has been posted months ago... Sorry, buddy.

magesupermaster
11-01-2010, 07:11 AM
Seeing the article was posted on October 18th, you can't say that it was posted 'months ago' when even one month didn't pass since the posting of the article.

Legion_123_456
11-01-2010, 07:43 AM
Im not shure, but in the darknes in rome trailer I thoght i saw Machiaveli taking a bribe from a guard. I hope he dosen't go to the dark side. I really liked him. Ezio is really going to be in a pickle

Drakonous505
11-01-2010, 07:43 AM
New news to me =\

Roakeru
11-01-2010, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Legion_123_456:
Im not shure, but in the darknes in rome trailer I thoght i saw Machiaveli taking a bribe from a guard. I hope he dosen't go to the dark side. I really liked him. Ezio is really going to be in a pickle
I don't think he is taking a bribe but a map or something ...i think the guard is infiltrated among Cesare's men to send information to the assassins

PhiIs1618033
11-01-2010, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by magesupermaster:
Seeing the article was posted on October 18th, you can't say that it was posted 'months ago' when even one month didn't pass since the posting of the article.
I'm pretty sure one of the devs mentioned it on the E3 and that WAS months ago. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DarkicoN14
11-01-2010, 09:27 AM
again, am i the only one that doesnt liike machiavelli?

mustangmaniak20
11-01-2010, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
again, am i the only one that doesnt liike machiavelli?
You`re not the only one mate. He`s a ******.

Drakonous505
11-01-2010, 10:17 AM
Even though he's the leader of the Assassin's Guild in Roma doesn't mean squat as Ezio is the Leader of the entire Assassin's order at this point :P

NewBlade200
11-01-2010, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by mustangmaniak20:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
again, am i the only one that doesnt liike machiavelli?
You`re not the only one mate. He`s a ******. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I approve of this post

Kaxen6
11-01-2010, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Legion_123_456:
Im not shure, but in the darknes in rome trailer I thoght i saw Machiaveli taking a bribe from a guard. I hope he dosen't go to the dark side. I really liked him. Ezio is really going to be in a pickle

>_> Yeah... I don't want to go against Machiavelli...

DarkicoN14
11-01-2010, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by mustangmaniak20:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
again, am i the only one that doesnt liike machiavelli?
You`re not the only one mate. He`s a ******. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

SlimeDynamiteD
11-01-2010, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
again, am i the only one that doesnt liike machiavelli?

I don't really like him either xD

DarkicoN14
11-01-2010, 12:33 PM
Yay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But to be honest that his AC counterpart doesnt really match his real life one. where as the others do alot. such as da vinci.

Pattington_Bear
11-01-2010, 12:52 PM
well I don't think he would betray Ezio, but Machiavelli is not just going to let Ezio walk in and take charge of his guild.

Murcuseo
11-01-2010, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
Yay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But to be honest that his AC counterpart doesnt really match his real life one. where as the others do alot. such as da vinci.

You can't really confirm that either though. The real life figures could have been portrayed incorrectly from a historical perspective. The only way you could ever know what these people were like is if you actually met them.

Another use for the time machine people have been going on about.

One things for sure, in the game Machiavelli lays the foundations that Ezio builds the Brotherhood on so regardless of his faults as a person he did some good.

In real life I'm not sure because I don't know anything about him. Historical or otherwise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Drakonous505
11-01-2010, 01:57 PM
*Spoilers*

Seems he welcomes Ezio to Rome from footage we've seen. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

JonnyQuickShot
11-01-2010, 02:53 PM
What do you mean you really liked him? He was only in the vanilla game for literally 5 minutes.

DarkicoN14
11-01-2010, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Robson19822009:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
Yay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But to be honest that his AC counterpart doesnt really match his real life one. where as the others do alot. such as da vinci.

You can't really confirm that either though. The real life figures could have been portrayed incorrectly from a historical perspective. The only way you could ever know what these people were like is if you actually met them.

Another use for the time machine people have been going on about.

One things for sure, in the game Machiavelli lays the foundations that Ezio builds the Brotherhood on so regardless of his faults as a person he did some good.

In real life I'm not sure because I don't know anything about him. Historical or otherwise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well according to my teacher, he saw me reading the AC book and decided to read the back and told me a bit of machivelli, apperntly he was very sexist and he also admired The borgia. not exactly the guy i want running the assassin guild

AubreyWilborn
11-03-2010, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
Yay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But to be honest that his AC counterpart doesnt really match his real life one. where as the others do alot. such as da vinci.

You can't really confirm that either though. The real life figures could have been portrayed incorrectly from a historical perspective. The only way you could ever know what these people were like is if you actually met them.

Another use for the time machine people have been going on about.

One things for sure, in the game Machiavelli lays the foundations that Ezio builds the Brotherhood on so regardless of his faults as a person he did some good.

In real life I'm not sure because I don't know anything about him. Historical or otherwise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well according to my teacher, he saw me reading the AC book and decided to read the back and told me a bit of machivelli, apperntly he was very sexist and he also admired The borgia. not exactly the guy i want running the assassin guild </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep-the real Machiavelli was quite the admirer of the Borgias. I think he even really liked Cesare.

realgangsta213
11-03-2010, 05:11 PM
Ezio is gonna come in, take charge of the recruiting and interior decorations while machiavelli trains them. I think half way into the story machiavelli leaves ezio to run the guild but then again who would train the assassins?

DarkicoN14
11-03-2010, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by AubreyWilborn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarkicoN14:
Yay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But to be honest that his AC counterpart doesnt really match his real life one. where as the others do alot. such as da vinci.

You can't really confirm that either though. The real life figures could have been portrayed incorrectly from a historical perspective. The only way you could ever know what these people were like is if you actually met them.

Another use for the time machine people have been going on about.

One things for sure, in the game Machiavelli lays the foundations that Ezio builds the Brotherhood on so regardless of his faults as a person he did some good.

In real life I'm not sure because I don't know anything about him. Historical or otherwise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well according to my teacher, he saw me reading the AC book and decided to read the back and told me a bit of machivelli, apperntly he was very sexist and he also admired The borgia. not exactly the guy i want running the assassin guild </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep-the real Machiavelli was quite the admirer of the Borgias. I think he even really liked Cesare. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im starting to think Machiavelli would go gay for him >.>

SWJS
11-03-2010, 05:22 PM
In order to be historically accurate, and to more fit the whole "Templars are Winning" thing, I think there'll be a twist where Mach is really relaying assassin info to the Borgia, and only became Grand Master to have the utmost control and info. I think his rivalry with Ezio will end up getting him overthrown, like perhaps they find out he's in cahoots with the Borgia.

Sparty2020
11-04-2010, 01:31 AM
I love it how nobody knows anything about the real Machiavelli in history and only see 30 seconds of him in the game, yet they all hate him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif If you guys are truly interested in Machiavelli read "The Prince". It is rather... enlightening.

I also think that Machiavelli becomes a turncoat about half-way through the game. He was an extremely ambitious individual after all.

The Zoo Boy
11-04-2010, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by Sparty2020:
I love it how nobody knows anything about the real Machiavelli in history and only see 30 seconds of him in the game, yet they all hate him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif If you guys are truly interested in Machiavelli read "The Prince". It is rather... enlightening.

I also think that Machiavelli becomes a turncoat about half-way through the game. He was an extremely ambitious individual after all.

I know who Niccol˛ di Bernardo dei Machiavelli is. He wrote "The Prince" and "The Art of War". His last name is also we get the modern political word MachiavellianŚthe use of cunning and deceitful stratagem in politics. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"...From this arises the question whether it is better to be loved more than feared, or feared more than loved. The reply is, that one ought to be both feared and loved, but as it is difficult for the two to go together, it is much safer to be feared than loved, if one of the two has to be wanting..."

http://www.powells.com/images/blog/blog_kirsten_machiavelliport.jpg

E-Zekiel
11-04-2010, 05:54 AM
History will tell you that Rodrigo Borgia died as a result of failing health and some suspicious activities going on in his bowels...Food poisoning has been suspected before.

So at the end of AC2 when I saw Machiavelli, who often wrote in public favor of the Borgia, was an assassin...I laughed at the historical reference, because he was someone who seemed close to the Borgia. Immediately I figured maybe the picture they were painting was that Machiavelli poisoned him.

R4AC2
11-04-2010, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
History will tell you that Rodrigo Borgia died as a result of failing health and some suspicious activities going on in his bowels...Food poisoning has been suspected before.

So at the end of AC2 when I saw Machiavelli, who often wrote in public favor of the Borgia, was an assassin...I laughed at the historical reference, because he was someone who seemed close to the Borgia. Immediately I figured maybe the picture they were painting was that Machiavelli poisoned him.

Rodrigo Borgia had syphilis. Boned too many courtesans, perhaps? But it is supposed to have been his niece Lucretia Borgia who poisoned his STD-ridden behind.

R4AC2
11-04-2010, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by TheZooBoy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sparty2020:
I love it how nobody knows anything about the real Machiavelli in history and only see 30 seconds of him in the game, yet they all hate him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif If you guys are truly interested in Machiavelli read "The Prince". It is rather... enlightening.

I also think that Machiavelli becomes a turncoat about half-way through the game. He was an extremely ambitious individual after all.

I know who Niccol˛ di Bernardo dei Machiavelli is. He wrote "The Prince" and "The Art of War". His last name is also we get the modern political word MachiavellianŚthe use of cunning and deceitful stratagem in politics. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"...From this arises the question whether it is better to be loved more than feared, or feared more than loved. The reply is, that one ought to be both feared and loved, but as it is difficult for the two to go together, it is much safer to be feared than loved, if one of the two has to be wanting..."

http://www.powells.com/images/blog/blog_kirsten_machiavelliport.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like you typed Machiavelli into the internet and expected that to be enough. You went to Wikipedia copy-pasted his name off of the first line, because you cannot put accent "aigu" into words with an ordinary keyboard. you wrote down the two works listed in the introduction, and looked up the definition of Machiavellian.
Well done, you know a lot about Machiavelli. Do better next time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Greeeeeeeeaaaaaaat Job.

This is what I went to harvard for. SO I Could look down on everyone else.

Sparty2020
11-04-2010, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by R4AC2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheZooBoy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sparty2020:
I love it how nobody knows anything about the real Machiavelli in history and only see 30 seconds of him in the game, yet they all hate him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif If you guys are truly interested in Machiavelli read "The Prince". It is rather... enlightening.

I also think that Machiavelli becomes a turncoat about half-way through the game. He was an extremely ambitious individual after all.

I know who Niccol˛ di Bernardo dei Machiavelli is. He wrote "The Prince" and "The Art of War". His last name is also we get the modern political word MachiavellianŚthe use of cunning and deceitful stratagem in politics. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"...From this arises the question whether it is better to be loved more than feared, or feared more than loved. The reply is, that one ought to be both feared and loved, but as it is difficult for the two to go together, it is much safer to be feared than loved, if one of the two has to be wanting..."

http://www.powells.com/images/blog/blog_kirsten_machiavelliport.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like you typed Machiavelli into the internet and expected that to be enough. You went to Wikipedia copy-pasted his name off of the first line, because you cannot put accent "aigu" into words with an ordinary keyboard. you wrote down the two works listed in the introduction, and looked up the definition of Machiavellian.
Well done, you know a lot about Machiavelli. Do better next time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Greeeeeeeeaaaaaaat Job.

This is what I went to harvard for. SO I Could look down on everyone else. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JJTHoukes
11-04-2010, 02:57 PM
˘_o
You're saying that you can't make these on a normal keyboard?
ŔÚŰŕ ˛ˇ÷˘ and so on?
You can, actually.
Atleast, that depends what you consider a "normal" keyboard.
I've a Querty keyboard, and can.