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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:24 AM
now that we know for sure that the b-17 is going to be in Fb, bumb this thread if you want the plane to be flyable. hopefully they make it flyable. we need another multi-engine bomber, there are too many fighters already.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:24 AM
now that we know for sure that the b-17 is going to be in Fb, bumb this thread if you want the plane to be flyable. hopefully they make it flyable. we need another multi-engine bomber, there are too many fighters already.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:27 AM
Too big for me, I'll take an A-26, B-26 or the Tu-2

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:27 AM
Oh definitely bump on the B17....but you can never have too many fighters old boy!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:29 AM
I wouldnt mind.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:30 AM
Fo'sho...but who's willing to work on the cockpit + gunner positions...that's the Q that'll decide on whether it'll ever be flyable.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:31 AM
So are you volunteering to model the interior? Its not about whether people would like it flyable, that is obvios, it is a question of whether someone will put forth the massive effort to model the interior. If you really want it modeled, help out by gathering some information and pictures to help, or actually model it yourself.


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:32 AM
i want it
but i would be hard to emulate the ball turrent gunner

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:37 AM
Doen't matter to much to me. I'm only going to escort it anyway.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:38 AM
It seems a little out of place in a game taking place on the Eastern Front. Not that it didn't bomb Romania and so, but the entire game is built around tactical air support, not strategic bombing, it would seem strange having a b-17 make a low-pass at an enemy airfield, wouldn't it?

On the other hand, if someone makes it, I'll shoot it down/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:40 AM
Anyone who doesn't want the B-17 to be flyable should dragged out into the street and shot! Flyable A/B-26,A-20,Tu-2,and the like would be sweet too,though.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 01:43 AM
I'd be willing to fly it, but I'd rather see the effort made to make the PE-8 flyable.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:23 AM
I dont want a B-17 flyable! Because I would be the one saddled with the job http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif My hands are already full!!! BUT!!! I would be glad to be on a team to help make it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:37 AM
And we would be glad for you to be on that team!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 02:58 AM
while surfing around i found this website of two guys building a model of the plane
http://www.condorsrc.com/Planes/B17/b17_199905.htm

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:00 AM
oh man a flyable B-17 would be fun to escort !! im tired of watching helpless tb3s go down without a fight. doesnt the b17 have 13 50cals ?

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:00 AM
Hey buzz I thought you were on a 190 kick, wouldnt you like to be flying next to me with out mk103s blazing/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:00 AM
if you click at the "back to homepage link", there are more pictures

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:03 AM
I want b-17 to be flyable, I dont care for the Pe8, the engiens were awful anyways, This game needs a strategic element to it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:04 AM
Sure, along with the Petlyakovs.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 03:40 AM
Definatley need a flyable B-17, anyone who doesnt want it should be kicked in the mouth. THank you

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:12 AM
Love to see it flyable. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Bump for that. No need to exchange it for a fighter though. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:19 AM
All things considered, I think the scale of Il-2 would be a bad fit for a flyable B-17.

I'll be happier with the Bf-110, the A-20, and the Pe-2.

And maybe an Hs-123, but maybe that CR. 42 will make a nice substitute.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:22 AM
just imagine trying to down a b17 with thirteen 50s bristling around it.....woooooooo gives me the willies thinking about it. the darn plane would be immune to machine guns

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 08:20 AM
I think it would make the game just about perfect having 1 flyable heavy for each nation. The b17 is the #1 plane I would like to see flyable.


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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 08:28 AM
I dont want to fly it I just want to go tear assing into a big fomation of them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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fluke39
07-22-2003, 08:29 AM
flyable B25 would be nice and would have a place as apparently they made up the largest quantity of offensive aircraft to be exported to russia during ww2.

and we could have that 75mm cannon
or 18 .50 cals
droool...

however, it does have almost as many internal positions as the b17 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

is Naryv (can't spell his name) still on that one ?

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 09:14 AM
Sure. A B-25 would make more sense though.

Another option is to allow AI flights in dogfight servers. Maybe they could re-spawn every 15 minutes or so, with a little randomness to it. They could start in the air, and Human players could recieve vector information to them. each time, something could be a little different. Number of bombers, type of bombers, number of escorts, Altitude, etc.... This would be really nice IMO, and combined with Daemons Script, would make IL2 dogfight servers really incredible.

Tully__
07-22-2003, 10:46 AM
Yes, but there's an awful lot of work involved for modellors. A single player postion is at least as much work as an external model for a single engine aircraft. A B-17 has 10 player positions.....

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:07 AM
I wouldn't mind and I would be rather happy if the interiors were made but IMHO there are more important non flyables that should be made flyables before the fortress.

Just a few.... Hs-129, Pe-2, Pe-3, Me-210/410

and some that are not even AI... B-25, A-20

Now those would make me happy!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:13 AM
B17 is a massive plane - cool if someone made it flyable & it would be nice killing real people in it with my 190!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:23 AM
bump - would love to be able to fly it. When, tho, are we gonna get a plane that can carry some real load?

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:22 PM
brtnstrns wrote:
- Definatley need a flyable B-17, anyone who doesnt
- want it should be kicked in the mouth. THank you

What about a Lancaster?

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:28 PM
Tully__ wrote:
- Yes, but there's an awful lot of work involved for
- modellors. A single player postion is at least as
- much work as an external model for a single engine
- aircraft. A B-17 has 10 player positions.....


We could start with just the pilot's area and
bombardier's area, although this requires
modelling of the navigator's position (as it is
visible from the bombardier's position), the
co-pilots, and some of the top turret (gunner's
legs at least).

The challenge would be implementing the Norden,
as this requires getting initial drift info from
the navigator's drift meter, so really requires
a mannable navigator's station, in addition to
the bomb panel and all the other complexities.

The challenge would be much the same for a Lancaster -
you can see parts of the nose turret from the
bomb aiming position, and the engineer's position
from the pilot's position, and of course more than
one type of bomb sight, plus H2S, etc!

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:32 PM
I'd love to see the B17 flyable! But, I would like to see the ability to have the bombers position playable by another player. Swapping views during flight as a pilot is a real pain

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:42 PM
Since I'm an offliner and only fly german planes it doesn't matter much to me, but it'll be a real challenge to fight them...

Online I think it would be great!

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:44 PM
Gib, don't know if you read the particular post, but in reply to one of your posts in another thread, Fennec stated he was interested in doing at least some of the interior of the '17' in partnership with you, if you were indeed serious about a joint effort like you wrote. Just a suggestion is all, it might pay to get in contact with him and talk about it and see which way the sun shines.

Gibbage1 wrote:
I dont want a B-17 flyable! Because I would be the
one saddled with the job /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif My hands are already
full!!! BUT!!! I would be glad to be on a team to
help make it.

GIB

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:45 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 12:51 PM
I don't want any more non-flyable aircraft. So yes, a flyable B-17 if it must be in the game. They did land and turn-around in Russia on shuttle bombing missions.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 04:52 PM
Kernow wrote:
- I don't want any more non-flyable aircraft.
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I agree, that's why I would prefer all those already included "AI-only" aircraft to become flyable :

Ju-88, BF-110/210, Hs-129, Blenheim, AR-196, F-156, Fiat G.50, He-162, IAR-80/81, Ju-52, MC.202, MS-406/410, SB,
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Kernow wrote:
- So yes,
- a flyable B-17 if it must be in the game. They did
- land and turn-around in Russia on shuttle bombing
- missions.
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Must be ?
So what about all those that I mentioned above ?
Most of them are very important and most commonly used types, IMHO, no less important than a B-17 which "did land and turn-around in Russia on shuttle bombing missions."

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:05 PM
How about a B29...erm I mean Tu4 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:24 PM
Yes flyable,,,,,yes, yes!

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 05:43 PM
It would be nice to have a flyable Fortress, but I think at the moment it is more important to make AI planes flyable.
The b 17 is a big bird and for these much work you can build 2 or 3 cockpits for AI planes.

It's more interessting to have 3 different planes instead of one Fortress

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:18 PM
Bump.....
Oh yes it would be raelly sweet to have a flyable b17

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 06:43 PM
I'll bump for a B-17, but I'll take a P-63 if it can't be done =8)

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:07 PM
Yes,Ihave B-17 Flying Fortress The mighty Eighth,while the plane and controls are good Oleg's landscape and effects included would be awesome.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:14 PM
Definitely!!! A flyable B-17 would be awesome.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:22 PM
I bet it never becomes flyable in FB.

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XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:24 PM
Sounds great, but do you really want to be spending your hard earned leisure time on hours of forming up and climbing to 25000ft. Given the choice I'd like the PE2 flyable, or if you're bent on introducing more US planes, the B25.

Shooting and kicking in the head?

Oh dear me.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 07:47 PM
Pe 2 or Tu 2 first, more "related" to the game, but B-17 would be amazing.

XyZspineZyX
07-22-2003, 11:57 PM
I think it would be wonderful, but I'm not holding my breath.



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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 12:00 AM
I would like to fly it. Mainly I would like to shoot it down with my Focke Wolfe. /i/smilies/16x16_man-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 03:10 AM
PE-2
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PE-8

It's the Eastern Front, remember?

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:11 AM
I think the B-17 or any any other high alt heavy bomber would be good for the game, It would give people a good reason to fly at higher altitudes!

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:18 AM
I would. If I knew anything about modelling or had the right hardwere I'd be doing it myself right now. But I don't, so I'll just whine instaid. The Online Bomber Brotherhood needs more multi-engine a/c!

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:41 AM
Nah, I don't care to fly it, I don't have enough time and online it would be a real pain time wise to get a squadron of them together and do a sim boming raid of Berlin or where ever but, I think non flyable will be sweet justa pity our computers can not handle too many aircraft at once cause recreating a fighter attack against a B17 bomber raid would be freaky. Scare the crap out of you but man it would be fun. Get the Gustavs up with gondolah Mk108's and blow the crap out of their wings working from the outside of the box formation to the inside whilst avoiding all the 50 cals and the Escorts of either P47's, P38's or P51's. On the return you could have Spits to tangle with.

Imagine pumping away at them in a 262, great fun, a real flam fest in the air. Just need to set convergence to 700 plus Meters and swallow dive the suckers.

Will it be possible, maybe next year with a generation of Graphics cards and CPU's.

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:45 AM
I really want to fly it, mostly just so I can be a tail gunner or ball gunner. You know, the B-17 can actually carry 17,600 lbs of bombs, just really hurts range.

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:51 AM
sweet...my grampa flew as upper turret on one of those..pressing the triggers always made him have a "uppity in the pants"...( thats what he said)..will be cool to be able to fly one of those to make bomb runs from 25,000 feet well above the "radar/laser operated" AA fire..

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 09:17 AM
A DEFINATE YES,this sim has been stuck on the Eastern front now since il2 first emerged,time for a change of scenery,we are not all interested in the Eastern front,just no competition to il2/ f/b.
If there was a serious competitor or better doing the European war & Battle of Britain this sim would slowly disappear,the Eastern front was a novelty on here but enough is enough.
Sorry but it's a fact. Time to put on flame suit and join the queues to the shops if the other theatres of ops appear.

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 09:30 AM
trumper wrote:
- A DEFINATE YES,this sim has been stuck on the
- Eastern front now since il2 first emerged,time for a
- change of scenery,we are not all interested in the
- Eastern front

I'm not sure russians, finns, ukranians, polish, hungarians, bulgarians and many more agree with you that "we are not interested in the eastern front". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 09:32 AM
i would love the B-17.....actualy i think there schould be some more heavy duty fighters in FB.
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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 09:32 AM
falling-bird wrote:
- Sounds great, but do you really want to be spending
- your hard earned leisure time on hours of forming up
- and climbing to 25000ft.


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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 09:51 AM
Vengeanze wrote:
- trumper wrote:
-- A DEFINATE YES,this sim has been stuck on the
-- Eastern front now since il2 first emerged,time for a
-- change of scenery,we are not all interested in the
-- Eastern front
-
- I'm not sure russians, finns, ukranians, polish,
- hungarians, bulgarians and many more agree with you
- that "we are not interested in the eastern front".
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Hi Vengence,that is exactly my point,the people on the Eastern front are interested,we on the western side of things would like to have a fair crack of the whip as well.
I know that people say that it has been done to death in other games but not to the qualities of the developer on F/B.
PLEASE ,PLEASE give us westerners a chance too.
Oh and i would love to see the Med & Africa done to,cheers

fluke39
07-23-2003, 10:07 AM
trumper wrote:

- Hi Vengence,that is exactly my point,the people on
- the Eastern front are interested,we on the western
- side of things would like to have a fair crack of
- the whip as well.


there is still an eastern front? holy cow - - is the war still on ? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

- Oh and i would love to see the Med & Africa done
- to,cheers

i agree




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XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 06:26 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- trumper wrote:
-- A DEFINATE YES,this sim has been stuck on the
-- Eastern front now since il2 first emerged,time for a
-- change of scenery,we are not all interested in the
-- Eastern front
-
- I'm not sure russians, finns, ukranians, polish,
- hungarians, bulgarians and many more agree with you
- that "we are not interested in the eastern front".

Well, I'm American and this is one Yank who loves this sim right where it belongs: The Eastern Front. New theaters would be nice, but I'd be happy playing this sim over any piece of ground.

XyZspineZyX
07-23-2003, 10:59 PM
AaaronGT:

Yes I know, and very good they are too in B17 Flying fortress The Mighty 8th.

I'm not convinced that you could fly a realistic campaign, with take off and landing, with the maps we have at present. I can't help thinking that in multiplay the forming up off these behemoths, in an airstart, could be anything but disastrous. I'm willing to be persuaded though.

I'd still prefer to make the models we have been flying with already- Pe2, Ju88, even the Dakota- to be flyable.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 12:58 AM
Personally I'd love to have a Flyable B17. Would add a whole new perspective to the bomber campaigns. If we had crew interaction, I could finally retire B17: The Mighty 8th http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Personally I'd love to have a flyable Avro Lancaster as well

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 01:24 AM
Sure...I may never fly it but somone will. i would love to see some fully manned crews online.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 02:51 AM
Id like to see not only more bombers implemnted but a proper bomber campaign with your crews added to the squadron roster along with more crew management features and the like,
A few adjustments to the gui in this respect wouldnt hurt.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 03:13 AM
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that is all i have to say

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 03:13 AM
I want the pollywog nose art on my B-17

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 03:24 AM
Bump.

I would very much like to see a flylable B-17. I would also like to see a flyable Lancaster bomber, b-25, ju-88 and bf-110.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 03:47 AM
I want it flyable

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:06 AM
I'd be happy with flying it in AI planes missions. Of course I'd like it to have the cockpit, crew stations, etc. but as many have already have said, this is a tactical simulation, not a strategic one. B-17s will be good to give immersion, but not for full looonggg bombing runs. With the way people "taxi" currently, can you imagine people taking off with these things in a DF? LOL!

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:36 AM
Bumperoonie

Well, I think I have an idea....NEVER MAKE A NEW GAME!!!

Just make new expansions

Eg: Western Front...North Africa and Pacific....Online they all work with each other and you can fly B17s over moscow/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 09:42 AM
I'd be happy with flying it in AI planes missions. Of course I'd like it to have the cockpit, crew stations, etc. but as many have already have said, this is a tactical simulation, not a strategic one. B-17s will be good to give immersion, but not for full looonggg bombing runs. With the way people "taxi" currently, can you imagine people taking off with these things in a DF? LOL!

Well if you hadn't noticed, bombers aren't designed to DF http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif True it is mainly based around fighters, but the parts for true bombers are already implemented. And also note, that in multiplayer, you have multiple bases to take off from. Flying a bomber like that would take time to get to altitude (considering a laden B17 could only climb at 300-500 fpm if my stats are correct), so if I were on a bombing run, i'd start on a base further away from the front line, get some altitude, then possibly meet an escort.
As it currently stands, bombers would be uselesss on a DF server anyway. On mission based ones like Virtual Eastern Front however, they would be amazing. The only way I could see them having a place on a DF server, would be if a succesful bombing run temporarily disabled respawn, or something similar, however this would add a 'gamey' aspect that i'm not sure the purists woud appreciate.

Regards taxi'ing, if I were using this method, it wouldn't really be an issue as I wouldn't be on the same runway as a fighter. Also, if you haven't tried the HE-111 yet, you can still fly the plane from the gunners positions. Although not an issue really in the HE-111 as it has quite good visibility, in bombers like the B17, you could switch to the nose gunner, and line up for taxi'ing. Technically not cheating, as a real crew could have them shouting instructions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 10:24 AM
In my opinion Oleg made a mistake adding sooooo many new planes lately. I would have prefered to have the Russian, German a.s.o. planes we already have as AI in the game flyable. It is great that so many ppl are spending their time modelling planes for this game on the other hand we will get so many new planes now but we still have no nice russian bombers flyable. I'd rather have the Pe2, Tu, IL4, Ju88, Bf110, ... flyable first. Even if we will get a western map soon i think the lighter ami bombers would be better and the Spit(wonder why we still don't have one) and the Tempest and, and and....

Don't get me wrong I can't wait to set some B17s on fire but the whole game is not really made for high altitude long range bombing missions. That's why i think the 2 engines would be more important. Gibbage's great P38 model for example.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 11:21 AM
Ironically enough, if the B17 was completed with a full crew interior, multiplay capability, and accurate Norden/flight operations, it would be the BEST B17 simulation made to date..all this from a Eastern Front fighter game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I would absolutely LOVE to fly online COOP's with some of my squadmates multicrewing a B17 against the Axis horde.. I bet a lot of others would too..

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 04:36 PM
Blind-SC- wrote:
- Well, I'm American and this is one Yank who loves
- this sim right where it belongs: The Eastern Front.
- New theaters would be nice, but I'd be happy playing
- this sim over any piece of ground.

There are US made bombers that saw significant
use on the Eastern front, namely the B25 and A20.
They would both be good additions, and I know the
A20 is being worked on, although I think it is the
later block of the A20G series, and I am not sure
if the USSR received any of those.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 04:39 PM
falling-bird wrote:
- I'm not convinced that you could fly a realistic
- campaign, with take off and landing, with the maps
- we have at present.

No - there wouldn't be enough time to get the B17
to altitude for that, but there is no reason why
you couldn't (in theory) have airstarts for campaigns.

I've flown in some missions with airstarts, and the
results are a bit mixed. I don't know whether that's
a function of the placing of objects when the missions
were originally built, or the interpretation of those
positions by the game for an airstart.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:59 PM
Juego wrote:
- i want it
- but i would be hard to emulate the ball turrent
- gunner


How hard can that be, there are other who have done it?

http://www.bombs-away.net/forums/showthread.php?s=1caf754db5cd1a6335ede38f2bbb35cc&threadid=10838

Zeke



Message Edited on 07/27/0306:01PM by reisen52

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 07:12 PM
Just one problem, it would have to be modelled correctly in FB.

As you can see, the sight is very complex. It wasn't just a simple reflector.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 07:23 PM
StG77_Fennec wrote:
- Just one problem, it would have to be modelled
- correctly in FB.
-
- As you can see, the sight is very complex. It
- wasn't just a simple reflector.

OK I see now because the gun sight on a plane listed as a beta is not complex we cant have the plane at all.

I guess that also kills the B-29A because of the computer controlled gun system & the A-26 because of the periscope system.

Such a deal in a game that has already made so many other compromises due to the limits of the home PC http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Zeke

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 07:34 PM
I admire the fact that 1C wants the cockpits to look realistic. If they decided to slap together whatever they wanted, it would end up looking like CFS3.

Someone could still model the ball turret, it would just take longer to make it realistic. Nothing says you can't do it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 07:37 PM
Why wait!

Fly a B-17 NOW /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 08:32 PM
StG77_Fennec wrote:

-If they decided to slap together
- whatever they wanted.

http://www.avhistory.org/Bear257Images/bf110g2.jpg

These guys released a Bf-110G-2 to go along with the B-17 beta. I don't really know what the cockpit in a 110 should look like but right or wrong this one does not look just slapped together.

Maybe the B-17 will be similar when its done as they already have more working guns then we do in B-17II. One thing they said they will not have is a Norden bomb sight like B-17II because thier game cant support it.

Zeke

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 08:52 PM
... or a Lancaster, or a B-29, or a B-24, I'm not particular.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 10:46 PM
AaronGT:

I agree absolutely that campaign airstarts are possible, and certainly a way around the map problem. I'm thinking that maybe a little of the game immersion might be lost in a B17 campaign as a whole.

Compare just getting to edge of the map intact in a hypothetical flyable B17, with actually nursing your damaged, leaking aircraft back all the way to East Anglia, as in the B17 he Mighty Eighth. Only half the story, surely

It would mean that that was the only aircraft you couldn't take off and land in 'full immersion'. I'd be happy to alter my position if the relevant maps were produced, but until then, I'll be glad to see the non flyable Forts making con trails as they pass through.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 11:20 PM
OF COURSE I DO!

It would be great to have the P51 and b17 together!

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 11:20 PM
Bump

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 12:00 AM
Who cares about B-17. Those belong to different sim anyway.

Do-17, Ju-88, Blenheim, Pe-2, SB-2, DB-3 - those are planes, that should be flyable, not some fantasy western front buff.

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