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darkhorizon11
12-27-2004, 11:05 PM
I do this everytime a new patch is on its way. Yes, I'm aware of 3.03 but I'm also talking about the BIG one with a swath of new aircraft and features.

So we already have some improved flight models, a couple new objects, and improved AI Carrier gunnery and controls on 3.03.

Lets look ahead to 3.04 since 1c has made it apparent that the next one is imminent. Here's what I see coming so far, tell me anything here I missed or that is inaccurate.

New A/C

flyable:

Do 335
Ju-88 (like 8 variants)

F2-A2
TBM Avenger fingers crossed?
DeHavilland Mosquito
Tempest
CW-21
Pe 3 maybe?

G4M "Betty"
J2M3
KI-100

AI: (to shoot at http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

Fokker DXXI

A5M "Claude"
TBD Devastator
J1N Gekko
B6N Tenzan


The Murmansk map is also on its way. I saw some screenshots of that and it looks gorgeous, especially those airfields... she's looking much more exciting than the bland ones we have for the Russian front now.

Awhile back Oleg mentioned that vehicles will be visible from higher altitudes and further distances, properly sized of course. Does anyone have any more info on this?

I've also seen some pretty new clouds on there too.

This is all based on development updates and word on whats been completed and submitted to Oleg. My main inquiry is the aircraft, I put a lot up there, but a lot have been finished in these past few months since AEP was released. I can't wait to take some of these for a spin.

darkhorizon11
12-27-2004, 11:05 PM
I do this everytime a new patch is on its way. Yes, I'm aware of 3.03 but I'm also talking about the BIG one with a swath of new aircraft and features.

So we already have some improved flight models, a couple new objects, and improved AI Carrier gunnery and controls on 3.03.

Lets look ahead to 3.04 since 1c has made it apparent that the next one is imminent. Here's what I see coming so far, tell me anything here I missed or that is inaccurate.

New A/C

flyable:

Do 335
Ju-88 (like 8 variants)

F2-A2
TBM Avenger fingers crossed?
DeHavilland Mosquito
Tempest
CW-21
Pe 3 maybe?

G4M "Betty"
J2M3
KI-100

AI: (to shoot at http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

Fokker DXXI

A5M "Claude"
TBD Devastator
J1N Gekko
B6N Tenzan


The Murmansk map is also on its way. I saw some screenshots of that and it looks gorgeous, especially those airfields... she's looking much more exciting than the bland ones we have for the Russian front now.

Awhile back Oleg mentioned that vehicles will be visible from higher altitudes and further distances, properly sized of course. Does anyone have any more info on this?

I've also seen some pretty new clouds on there too.

This is all based on development updates and word on whats been completed and submitted to Oleg. My main inquiry is the aircraft, I put a lot up there, but a lot have been finished in these past few months since AEP was released. I can't wait to take some of these for a spin.

DarkCanuck420
12-27-2004, 11:11 PM
what i would like to see is what you mentioned about seeing objects from further away rather then them poping into view. id like to see little ants below me then as i dive down they get bigger.
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VBF-83_Hawk
12-27-2004, 11:18 PM
F2 already flyable...did I miss something?

BlakJakOfSpades
12-28-2004, 03:34 AM
looks fairly optimistic to me, im seeing betty, ki-100, tempest hopefully, and perhaps some ai's, then next patch in a long time im seeing those...but thats me

Wilburnator
12-28-2004, 01:11 PM
If we got 15% of what you listed up there, I'd be very surprised. The Tempest was supposed to be AI in the Aces addon, lol. But all the same, I'll take what they give. It's still the best.

Eraser_tr
12-28-2004, 01:41 PM
Where do you get the idea we'll see the ju88 flyable(and multiple versions) and the torp planes?

any why would you want to fly 8 versions of the same target? For the amount of work that takes, we could have every AI fighter become flyable.

Gunny124
12-28-2004, 01:58 PM
I would like to see the aircraft at distance like we had in 3.01 instead of being on top of them before they are spotted.

A.K.Davis
12-28-2004, 02:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eraser_tr:
Where do you get the idea we'll see the ju88 flyable(and multiple versions) and the torp planes?

any why would you want to fly 8 versions of the same target? For the amount of work that takes, we could have every AI fighter become flyable. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Completed internals and new externals for multiple models of the Ju-88 have been submitted and accepted by Oleg for some time now. Last word from modeller (Jippo) was that everything was okay, but no time given for it's inclusion. I believe they are:

Ju-88A-4
Ju-88C-6
Ju-88A-14
Ju-88A-17

Athosd
12-28-2004, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eraser_tr:
Where do you get the idea we'll see the ju88 flyable(and multiple versions) and the torp planes?

any why would you want to fly 8 versions of the same target? For the amount of work that takes, we could have every AI fighter become flyable. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Ju88 cockpits have already been completed and sent to Oleg.
However I'd be surprised (pleasantly) if they are included in 3.04 - I'm expecting to see them as part of a payware addon (just guessing, nothing has been stated officially at this stage).

Bombers are very popular rides on and offline (the Ju88 variants also include some interceptor types with heavy cannon armament).

Also, most aircraft models added to this sim are the work of community members who volunteer their skills, and make airframes/interiors of types that interest them (hardly going to put in 100s of hours for something they aren't keen about).
So stopping work on a bomber does not mean that the modeller is then available to start working on fighter pits.

Cheers

Athos

dvergur
12-28-2004, 03:02 PM
Hi all.

Let´s cross our fingers darkhorizon11 is somewhat close in his speculations, yeah! I know this is based on dev. updates and info he has http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Man ! ..the J2M2 Mitsu. Raiden ! a sweet compact looking fighter.

I did a Hasegawa 1/72 model of Raiden many years ago, very sleek, almost feminine frame/body http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Check her out:

http://gunpoint-3d.com/model-Raiden.html

...cant wait for the Tempest and Mosquito.

Shoot me down @ HL (as usual).

yamit

Asgeir_Strips
12-28-2004, 03:26 PM
I dont want the Ju88 or Hawker Tempest or Do335
or something like that. Infact i dont want any planes that wasn't involved in the PF Theater.

Instead i want more maps, AVG in China, Phillipines, New Guinea (Rabaul) More of the solomons, Bougainville , green island, Espirito Santo and so on.

And i want planes like Helldiver, vindicator, more subversions of the Hellcat and if i not remember wrong the FM-2 wildcat had the ability to carry rockets. Betty bomber, Nell bomber, Ki-27 Nate, Judy dive bomber, B7A Ryusei torpedo bomber, B6 Tenzan bomber.

Taiho , Junyo smaller jap carriers, US. CVL carriers and not just casablanca class CVE's.
Composite squadrons on CVE so you command both torpedo-dive and fighter aircraft, Cats on carriers, crash barriers, LSO (Carrier Ops without LSO, huge mistake) and i would like to see improved tracers and planes burning, often the burning effect seems kinda the same all the way, i would like to see the flames spread in a more realistic manner or see fuel vapor igninte suddenly and blow the whole plane into bits, or at least destroy the main structure of the plane. and i would also like to see weather effects on planes, painting getting worn off (seen pics of Marine corps corsair on guadalcanal early 1943? no one had kill paintings and the only identification on them was the plane number) and i read, about a corsair pilot, Kenneth Walsh, he had a engine problem once, then he returned to 'canal and exchanged his airplane for another "alert 5" aircraft who was fueled up and engine running, ready to go... And also i would like to have the opportunitiy to be relocated or transfered to another carriers or airbases, or from carrier to groundbases and so on. Improved DM (damage models) on ships, lets say the Japs score two bomb hits and two "fish" hits on a US carriers, the carrier would sink, or at least its performance would be drastically reduced, and i would like to see destroyers pulling alongside to supply power to the damaged ship and so on.

This is my thoughts for now, allthough its not a whine, rather some unrealistic requests, haha

darkhorizon11
12-28-2004, 05:43 PM
I've been around over a year now and this is just what I've seen. Every patch has its surprises theres a been few where planes not mentioned in dev. updates or made by 3rd party modelers (unless they remained autonomous) just showed up. Its for this reason that I put down the Avenger. There have been rumors of one on the way. A lot of gamers myself included were a little bent out of shape when we released theres no flyable carrier based torpedo bombers yet. I for one would like to think theres a solution for this problem.

The flyable G4M was said on the back of the box and low and behold, it wasn't there. Honestly I don't fly many bombers much so it didn't matter to me but there was a lot of fuss for awhile. Theres no doubt we'll get this baby ASAP since techinically they're guilty of false advertising.

The Tempest was finished a long time ago, as well as the Ju-88s. They're flyable too although I remember there being something like 11 variants (of the 88) but I could be wrong. Jippo has a website displaying them, they're quite gorgeous, as well as the Tempest. Basically they're as nice as the Gladiator.
Someone on here should be able to slap a link to Jippo's site for me.

Same for the Mossie, that things been done for awhile and the Do 335 was just recently finished up.

Of course theres been a push for the Pe 2 and Pe3, I've seen some WiP shots of this thing too. Where it stands I have no idea although a lot of people definitely want it.

The rest are definites since they're in the development updates.

Asgeir you need to relax friend. I know you mean well but don't get to excited. The world doesn't revolve around your wants, in fact 1c doesn't model very many individual aircraft now, most of this work is done by 3rd parties. I've said this a thousand times, if you want, MODEL IT. Personally I would love to see a Meteor and a Blitz but I don't whine about it because Olegs hands are full. All those features your asking for, you probably won't see. The IL2 FB engine is aging and its not capable of showing aging effects and wear and tear (you can download skins of this). Massively complex damage models of carriers would probably require reworking the entire carriers and wouldn't be worth it for PF. Commanding torp planes as a fighter pilot and declaring an emergency and getting a net would be nice though, perhaps that is possible. Complex explosions and major changes to the campaign engine would require major tinkering and would slow down many people's computers to a crawl (mine included).

"However I'd be surprised (pleasantly) if they are included in 3.04 - I'm expecting to see them as part of a payware addon (just guessing, nothing has been stated officially at this stage)."

I don't think there will be anymore payware for PF. PF was meant to be the final addition the to IL2 engine, with patches of course. 1c already announced the next sim BoB and I've figured that now they're trying to finish up IL2FBAEPFB and put it behind them so they can move full steam ahead on the sequel. At least this would make sense to me. Although I can't verify this someone mentioned Oleg put an unknown "due" date for the third party modelers so they're aircraft could make it in. Once again I leave this open to speculation since I have no concrete proof.

There will probably be a few more Pacific maps too although thats only a guess right now. I think Murmansk will probably be the last Eastern front Map.

Whew, that was long but I think I got all my thoughts out on this post.
Anyone else? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

VW-IceFire
12-28-2004, 05:52 PM
Can't wait for that Tempest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bull_dog_
12-28-2004, 06:13 PM
Tempest and Mossie are at the top of my list...I cross my fingers at the hope of a MkXIV and a Typhoon...

As for things not mentioned...I never thought I'd say this, but there are some serious FM problems with some of the aircraft that really need to be addressed in the next patch...I won't go into details as they have been hashed over several times but I will say that they involve carrier take offs, WEP and compressibility.

Now if Pacific Fighters is to ever reach its potential, flyable carrier torpedo bombers (that can be flown off an online static carrier) are a must...so should we complete a couple of key map areas... if there is one really bad thing about this game is we have all these aircraft but no theater to fly them in...yes individual missions, but no continuous theater of action...I'm talking Burma, New Guinea, Solomons or Central Pacific Island hopping...pieces parts out of each one but count the key maps that have either one base or sometimes no bases to fly from (Japan, Guadalcanal, New Guinea). Without fleshing out these things, there will be no continuity to the offline gamer/campaign/mission builder. Serious problem in terms of immersion....I'd really like to fly my Corsair, Hellcat or P-38 to Rabaul and back.

F19_Olli72
12-28-2004, 06:18 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif Ju-88

BlakJakOfSpades
12-29-2004, 01:23 AM
http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Index2.htm
google to the rescue

XyZspineZyX
12-29-2004, 01:29 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Hello,

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
Is this Intox or Info?

Sensei.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifIf it is Info it is all great news!

WUAF_Darkangel
12-29-2004, 02:30 AM
No N1K2-J, spit mk1&mk14???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif .

Billy_BigBoy
12-29-2004, 03:04 AM
We need more Grumman aircraft to shoot at http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Arm_slinger
12-29-2004, 09:04 AM
Spitfires that are coming:

Mk XIV
Mk XXII

Mk Vc (yes the four cannon version, complete with tropical filter)

And gibbage mentioned over at netwings a float spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

LEBillfish
12-29-2004, 10:30 AM
Personally I'd not expect to see any JU88 till BoB. For that matter any Europe or Eastern front aircraft.....Would be great but doubt it the focus to "wrap up" PF and move on to BoB.

Wishlist?
Ki-46
Ki-27
Most of the Japanese bombers and Torp planes
Avenger

Pe2-3
Ju88
Dornier varients
Mosquito
Tempest

Flyable PBY and german float plane (can't recall name)

In fact....forget any list, I'd RATHER see all that we have as AI only be made flyable and could live WITHOUT b-17/B24/Lancaster etc. heavy bombers as it's my understanding they are simply very taxing to make, and they work well enough as AI.

It might be different if you saw players "filling up" a bomber as in all positions....But they don't simply hopping around and rarely doing what they are supposed to be...Bombing.

Honestly, how many do you know "Bomb" from 25,000' using the sight. Most think all bombers here are dive bombers forgetting that volume not accuracy was the norm and the "REALITY".

t0n.
12-29-2004, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Flyable PBY <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooohh! Along with the P-36 and Torpedo planes, the PBY would be one of the biggest scenario multipliers around. For Midway alone... *drool*

SaQSoN
12-29-2004, 12:05 PM
Way too optimistic list.
From all the listed, I would leave:

Ki-100
G4M
May be some additional Spitfires/Seafires

All of above - flyable.

I wouldn't expect no more other planes AI or flyable in the nearest patch.

t0n.
12-29-2004, 12:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ki-100
G4M
May be some additional Spitfires/Seafires <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks very much for clearing that up Saqson. Those Spitfires, especially if there is a Trop VC, would be a real bonus.

JaggedRaven
12-29-2004, 01:31 PM
S+o...um...*smacks lips*...if they're not going to give us the tenzan, claude, and um devastator as ai planes...then why did they show them on the updates page? The Claude looks as though I could jump in the cockpit and fly off in it...if they're going to be devoting their time to BoB from now on...don't you think they're going to try and finish of PF in a large patch rather than waste time on several smaller ones? Sounds like it's more time and cost-effective to me.

Raptor_20thFG
12-29-2004, 02:04 PM
Great I cant wait for the avenger

TheGozr
12-29-2004, 02:19 PM
And the carrier respawn fix i hope ..??
lets me repeat again The respawn on carrier mid air while carrier is destroyed IS A JOKE..

I'm hash but yes i really think it's a joke.

GerritJ9
12-30-2004, 02:25 AM
I think we will get 3.04 on Jan 7th........ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
As for maps, the Singapore map (which includes part of Malaya) is apparently finished, so it may be included.

Wishlist? Ki27 flyable, Glenn Martin 139 and/or 166 AI, Hawk 75A versions flyable (are AI at present) plus some JAAF bombers AI.

x__CRASH__x
12-30-2004, 02:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
Spitfires that are coming:

Mk XIV
Mk XXII

Mk Vc (yes the four cannon version, complete with tropical filter)

And gibbage mentioned over at netwings a float spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The absolute last thing we need is more spitfires.

SaQSoN
12-30-2004, 02:51 AM
I didn't say, that Ju88, A5M, TBD or others will not be included at all. But, they hardly will be included in the NEAREST patch. That's what I was talking about.

airdale1960
12-30-2004, 07:53 AM
I have been playing the game, but, off-line for quite sometime, so fill me in onto why the P-36, MS-406, ME-210/410, MC.200, MC.202, Re.2000/2001, and G.55, never made it into the game? Sorry for my lack of information on these matters.

FRAGAL
12-30-2004, 08:12 AM
More brit planes for me mossie, tempest, typhoon, lanc, wellington, halifax, Bolton paul defiant, swordfish,fairey battle, and gloster meteor

DmdSeeker
12-30-2004, 08:42 AM
Why the focus on new planes; when some of them are still missing from the object viewer; and there seems to be no way to get some of them into campaigns?

An example:

I thought I'd do an early war 109 campaign; the invasion of Poland. In this; I'm fighting some funny looking Polish plane. So I thought it'd be a good idea to concurrently run a Polish campaign; to learn the strengths and weaknesses of this plane.

But the only Polish campign is 1945 flying a Yak!

We have planes enough! the _game_ needs development!

LEBillfish
12-30-2004, 08:42 AM
Let me refine my "PF "Wish list""

Ki-21 Sally Bomber
Ki 27 Nate
Ki-43 II
Ki-44
Ki-46
G4m Betty
etc.......+ all weapon loadouts available.

Allied all I'd want are the varients of the B-25 for older versions and perhaps P40-N for late war PNG action.

Seeing a theme?...Bet you're seeing the wrong one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif The point not that I want Ki brand of planes because they are Ki....But want the planes that cover the land battles from the 30's through mid war.

Reason is land based action is the bulk of all play and most diverse. Sea battles spectacular to be sure....But so much happened over China/Burma PNG etc. and for most of it we already have the allied planes.

So these few planes and a couple maps improved on.....and we'd have enough to keep us busy for a long time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

darkhorizon11
12-30-2004, 08:34 PM
Theres some good points here, a lot of negativity though. I def. agree with Seeker. The game could use some more campaigns and missions. I was sorely dissappointed when the only new missions were carrier borne trainers.

Hopefully we get what is shown this time and aren't teased like before. I'm stil optimistic though.

Yeah, I forgot about the Singapore map.

The other planes I forgot were the Baka bomb which can be launched from the Betty, I've heard rumors of a finished Re 2000.

On a personal note I think I'm losing my sanity. I could've sworn I'd flown an MC.202 in this game before. Then low and behold last night I was in QMB and was like what the hell lets fly the MC against some contemporary Mustangs. Oh I was sorely mistaken. Does anyone know the number for the clinic UBI runs I should check myself in? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

fordfan25
12-30-2004, 08:44 PM
im just hopeing for flyble US and J carrier torp planes. avenger and its J counterpart. also i hope some one over there knows were to get a bottle of windex for the frickn hellcat for crying out load http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F4U_Flyer
12-30-2004, 08:57 PM
How about some infantry , those battlefields look awefully sterile ! And of course flyable torpedo planes for both sides , the betty , pby , and on and on and on..................

WUAF_Darkangel
12-30-2004, 08:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
Spitfires that are coming:

Mk XIV
Mk XXII

Mk Vc (yes the four cannon version, complete with tropical filter)

And gibbage mentioned over at netwings a float spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woohoo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif, but r they gonna delay the shiden kai until after patch 3.04?

Oilburner_TAW
12-30-2004, 09:23 PM
All I want is flyable Avenger and Kate.

JR_Greenhorn
12-30-2004, 09:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by airdale1960:
...fill me in onto why the...MC.200, MC.202, Re.2000/2001, and G.55, never made it into the game? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>These planes and other Italian ones have been modeled by a group calling themselves Club Med. There are some development shots floating around; some planes look close to finished, while some are a long way off. I don't remember if any of the Club Med stuff has been submitted to Oleg or not yet. I just know they have been working on the Italian planes, and I am anxious for their inclusion.



@darkhorizon11,
You mentioned the Murmansk map, but Ian Boys' team is also working on another Eastern Front map: Kurland.
We haven't seen any shots of Murmansk for a long time (I think Ian called them "alpha" screenies) because he is keeping it a surprize, but there have been a few announcements and shots of the new Kurland map. They will both be released at the same time, and new campaigns and such are in the works for them. I don't know what the release plan for the project is, but it sounds like quite a project to look forward to.


Another rumour I read somewhere around here is that a the Wild Catfish floatplane variant of the F4F was ready to go, but it got caught up in the whole Northrup-Grumman* Debacle. I haven't heard what it's fate is to be.

*Northrup-Grumman is a registered trademark, used here without permission.

darkhorizon11
12-31-2004, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JR_Greenhorn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by airdale1960:
...fill me in onto why the...MC.200, MC.202, Re.2000/2001, and G.55, never made it into the game? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>These planes and other Italian ones have been modeled by a group calling themselves Club Med. There are some development shots floating around; some planes look close to finished, while some are a long way off. I don't remember if any of the Club Med stuff has been submitted to Oleg or not yet. I just know they have been working on the Italian planes, and I am anxious for their inclusion.



@darkhorizon11,
You mentioned the Murmansk map, but Ian Boys' team is also working on another Eastern Front map: Kurland.
We haven't seen any shots of Murmansk for a long time (I think Ian called them "alpha" screenies) because he is keeping it a surprize, but there have been a few announcements and shots of the new Kurland map. They will both be released at the same time, and new campaigns and such are in the works for them. I don't know what the release plan for the project is, but it sounds like quite a project to look forward to.


Another rumour I read somewhere around here is that a the Wild Catfish floatplane variant of the F4F was ready to go, but it got caught up in the whole Northrup-Grumman* Debacle. I haven't heard what it's fate is to be.

*_Northrup-Grumman is a registered trademark, used here without permission. _ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you look in either the PF or GB forum somebody posted a link to Ian Boys site and there were an array a pictures showing the Murmansk map. Yes, it does look gorgeous I can't wait to fly over that thing. There's some nasty airfields in there too. A Kurland map eh? not to be an @sshole but where the heck is Kurland?

ElAurens
12-31-2004, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by A.K.Davis:

Completed internals and new externals for multiple models of the Ju-88 have been submitted and accepted by Oleg for some time now. Last word from modeller (Jippo) was that everything was okay, but no time given for it's inclusion. I believe they are:

Ju-88A-4
Ju-88C-6
Ju-88A-14
Ju-88A-17 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting, my sources say the model is not ready for prime time and will take a lot of effort and time to put in the game...

I'd still like to have her, but it won't be in 3.04.

Best bets are the Ki100, CW 21, and perhaps the Betty. We really need torpedo bombers though...

WOLFMondo
12-31-2004, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
The absolute last thing we need is more spitfires. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well the ones we'll get are 2 totally different versions to what we have already and the XIV certainly fits in as it was used in conjunction with the Tempest.

It wouldn't be to difficult to program 2 more versions of the VIII as well, there were 3 different merlins fitted to it.

ElAurens
12-31-2004, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Let me refine my "PF "Wish list""

Ki-21 Sally Bomber
Ki 27 Nate
Ki-43 II
Ki-44
Ki-46
G4m Betty
etc.......+ all weapon loadouts available.

Allied all I'd want are the varients of the B-25 for older versions and perhaps P40-N for late war PNG action.

Seeing a theme?...Bet you're seeing the wrong one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif The point not that I want Ki brand of planes because they are Ki....But want the planes that cover the land battles from the 30's through mid war.

Reason is land based action is the bulk of all play and most diverse. Sea battles spectacular to be sure....But so much happened over China/Burma PNG etc. and for most of it we already have the allied planes.

So these few planes and a couple maps improved on.....and we'd have enough to keep us busy for a long time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with you here Billfish. Plus a map of Rangoon (one was in the works I thought?), and the area surrounding Kunming.

New Guinea is the true Forgotten Battle here though. Everyone is focused on the flashy carrier operations. How many of you know that 95% of Japanese fighter pilots with over 300 hours of flight time were killed over New Guinea, by RAAF and Army Air Corps pilots, for the most part flying the P40?

When U.S. Navy carrier planes raided the Philippines in Aug. and Sept., 1944, opposition was so light that Adm. William Halsey's chief of staff, Rear Admiral Robert Carey, wrote to Gen. Richard Sutherland that Gen. George Kenney's army pilots in New Guinea had "just about spoiled the war for our carriers."

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TgD Thunderbolt56
12-31-2004, 11:36 AM
My priority list for flyable aircraft looks something like this:

1. Ju88 - faster and more versatile than the only decent Axis bomber we have...He111

2. Pe2 - I just like it and think it should have been in the game (for EVERY market) since the beginning.

3. Avenger - I know, I know, but it's still almost mandatory for historical accuracy.

4. 4 engine heavy (B-17/24)


Nonetheless, we'll know in about three weeks according to Oleg.


TB