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Drag_Harlen
04-21-2009, 03:53 AM
One of my least favorite things about the first game was the protaganist himself, Altair.

" Look at me im so BA everyone else sucks! Also, I speak without any sort of accent unlike everyone else around me. Hows that possible? CAUSE IM SO AMAZING ZOMG I LOOOOVE MYSELF!!! GAAH!! "

Made me sick. Ezio is an educated man, a cultured man. He's suave, he's slick, he's a ladies man. Altair came off as more of the A-Sexual type. I definately am looking forward to seeing if Ezio is as smooth as Ubisoft is making him out to be.

Your thoughts?

lostassassin123
04-21-2009, 04:10 AM
My thoughts?

I need to play the game first, Ubi likes to describe everything over the top.
And I mean, way over.

Well, though, they're devs! They're supposed to do that.

Xanatos2007
04-21-2009, 04:16 AM
From what I've read & seen, I like Altair's character better. Not the accent though. Ezio's character isn't all that appealing, but apparently he becomes more 'assassin like' later on.

Anyway, I think you should post this into an existing thread.

moqqy
04-21-2009, 04:50 AM
I didn't like Altair. That's because he was so, so naÔve and well.. pretty stupid.

I won't like Ezio that much either if he's going to be over the top suave, slick and/or ladies man. I'd prefer a professional.

And nah, Lost. It's the marketing department that usually describes everything over the top..

Account_Deleted
04-21-2009, 05:04 AM
Orriganly posted by Drag_Harlen:
One of my least favorite things about the first game was the protaganist himself, Altair.

" Look at me im so BA everyone else sucks! Also, I speak without any sort of accent unlike everyone else around me. Hows that possible? CAUSE IM SO AMAZING ZOMG I LOOOOVE MYSELF!!! GAAH!! "

Made me sick. Ezio is an educated man, a cultured man. He's suave, he's slick, he's a ladies man. Altair came off as more of the A-Sexual type. I definately am looking forward to seeing if Ezio is as smooth as Ubisoft is making him out to be.

Your thoughts?


Reason Altair is like that is likely due to a bad history or wasn't able to attend school.


2. you havn't heard any type of voice from ezio so how will you know it won't be stuck up like altair


3. ezio's background is rich so was possible he has attended school and has not had a rough history

Artsncrafts
04-21-2009, 05:37 AM
I love the Renaissance Man idea for Ezio, you can't really compare two characters coming from such different cultures and times. But yes, Ezio being more educated is probably a more appealing character to the eye, I mean, who doesn't love Leonardo Da Vinci? The paradigm of the Renaissance.(don't forget, I'm sure Altair had his education, a more religious one maybe, he was taught to be a killing machine not to be a Noble Educated man).

Drag_Harlen
04-21-2009, 05:39 AM
yeah but the fact that he HAS attended school and isnt uneducated is what makes him appealing. hes smart, that much we know. Altair, skillful as he was, was not a very smart man. And arrogance was his bedmate. Altair may have had a troubled past, none of us really know, but the character overall was not a protagonist that I could relate to in any way, nor did I feel any real connection with him. I cared about the story sure, but mostly for Desmond's sake, not Altair's. I could've cared less what happened to him.

Account_Deleted
04-21-2009, 05:51 AM
btw, welcome to the forums Drag_Harlen,

i see Altair as a kid that's been grown up around voilence and being islotated so that he needed to protect and care for himself,till he met the Creed and joined them and there he saw Al Muliam as a mentor or more as of a guardian/dad

moqqy
04-21-2009, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by Account_Deleted:
reason Altair is like that is likely due to a bad history or wasn't able to attend school.


2. you havn't heard any type of voice from ezio so how will you know it won't be stuck up like altair


3. ezio's background is rich so was possible he has attended school and has not had a rough history

Uh, you don't need to go to school to be smart/not naive.

And when did I claim I know what Ezio is gonna be like?

Account_Deleted
04-21-2009, 06:09 AM
uhh if you read it through i was talking to Drag, not you

sorry if you thought i was talking to you, i was just lazy to use quotes

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lostassassin123
04-21-2009, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
And nah, Lost. It's the marketing department that usually describes everything over the top..
True.

FYTJ
04-21-2009, 07:57 AM
It's just you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I still give Ezio the benefit of the doubt since I haven't gotten to know him all that much yet, but from what I've heard I much prefer AltaÔr.

Yes he was pretty foolish, a bit rough on the edges and over confident.
But that only made him all the more attaching and I really liked how you could feel him change and grow as a person throughout the game.

And I like "a bit rough on the edges" way more than I like "smooth" anyway.

Oh, and actually Ezio seems way more self-centered than AltaÔr, for some reason.
And personally, I'm even a bit afraid the game might center on Ezio and his personal vendetta a tad too much for my taste - I just hope in the end it is still "Assassin's Creed" and not "Ezio's Vendetta".

(Funnily enough, from what I've seen around the internet so far, guys tend to like Ezio while girls seem to prefer AltaÔr.
Looks like the obvious "ladies-man" is not always the actual "ladies-man"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif )

Xanatos2007
04-21-2009, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by FYTJ:
It's just you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I still give Ezio the benefit of the doubt since I haven't gotten to know him all that much yet, but from what I've heard I much prefer AltaÔr.

Yes he was pretty foolish, a bit rough on the edges and over confident.
But that only made him all the more attaching and I really liked how you could feel him change and grow as a person throughout the game.

And I like "a bit rough on the edges" way more than I like "smooth" anyway.

Oh, and actually Ezio seems way more self-centered than AltaÔr, for some reason.
And personally, I'm even a bit afraid the game might center on Ezio and his personal vendetta a tad too much for my taste - I just hope in the end it is still "Assassin's Creed" and not "Ezio's Vendetta".

(Funnily enough, from what I've seen around the internet so far, guys tend to like Ezio while girls seem to prefer AltaÔr.
Looks like the obvious "ladies-man" is not always the actual "ladies-man"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif )

I agree, Altair has a better character.

dtisalive
04-21-2009, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by FYTJ:
It's just you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I still give Ezio the benefit of the doubt since I haven't gotten to know him all that much yet, but from what I've heard I much prefer AltaÔr.

Yes he was pretty foolish, a bit rough on the edges and over confident.
But that only made him all the more attaching and I really liked how you could feel him change and grow as a person throughout the game.

And I like "a bit rough on the edges" way more than I like "smooth" anyway.

Oh, and actually Ezio seems way more self-centered than AltaÔr, for some reason.
And personally, I'm even a bit afraid the game might center on Ezio and his personal vendetta a tad too much for my taste - I just hope in the end it is still "Assassin's Creed" and not "Ezio's Vendetta".

(Funnily enough, from what I've seen around the internet so far, guys tend to like Ezio while girls seem to prefer AltaÔr.
Looks like the obvious "ladies-man" is not always the actual "ladies-man"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif )

Personally, I liked Altair. I've kind of 'grown up' with him, known him better. That kind of character appeals to me - somewhat like the Batman(rough, angry, etc.).

And, oh - I love your blog! Keep it goin'!

Robbinho1992
04-21-2009, 09:11 AM
I'm sure Ill like them equally, however you can't pass a real judgement till the game arrives, so i wont be taking a side.

obliviondoll
04-21-2009, 09:19 AM
For now, Altair, for familiarity and the fact that he's shown as a bit of a psycho in the early stages of the game. "My way is better." I like that attitude in a hero-to-be, and the contrast with his later words.

Until we'e seen Ezio in action, I'm not setting that in stone though.

Wildest_Dream66
04-21-2009, 09:25 AM
i think not. i think that altair seem's cooler.. Ezio is more,, yeah i dont got a word for it. but it's missing something.

wait. i take a good look at hem. and i think they are both cool. i forgot it was a other age

Mitsurai
04-21-2009, 09:33 AM
Just....No.

Altair is the more Badass character - smooth, professional and straight to the point. He's got years of practice but can be quite friendly around mates (you'd know this if you played Altair's Chronicles) so he only comes off that way if you've never played the prequel.

Ezio is the "Count of Montecristo" here, which is VERY cool, and possibly more friendly and interesting than Altair, but not as kickass, that's for sure.

Neither is better, they're just different (which is good).

Xanatos2007
04-21-2009, 09:50 AM
Based on appearances...

Ezio would look better at parties etc, since his clothes are fancier, less intimidating and therefore less suspicious. If I was on a mission however I'd go with Altair, since his clothes are easier to move in.

As for character, nothing definitive yet. We'll just have to wait & see.

mboltevski
04-21-2009, 09:53 AM
I have no problems with Altair's personality.
He's cool. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

AC2 is not released yet so I cant judge Ezio.

SpyderNynja
04-21-2009, 12:16 PM
The game has JUST been announced. The whole argument seems pointless. NONE of us (cept the devs themselves perhaps) know Ezio well enough to make a decision between the two.

...Now if you wanna compare outfits, than Ezio is WAAAAY cooler than Altair http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Lazybeans
04-21-2009, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by swiftslasher7:
The game has JUST been announced. The whole argument seems pointless. NONE of us (cept the devs themselves perhaps) know Ezio well enough to make a decision between the two.

...Now if you wanna compare outfits, than Ezio is WAAAAY cooler than Altair http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

breakdown89
04-21-2009, 01:36 PM
^I second that.

Artsncrafts
04-21-2009, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Lazybeans:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by swiftslasher7:
The game has JUST been announced. The whole argument seems pointless. NONE of us (cept the devs themselves perhaps) know Ezio well enough to make a decision between the two.

...Now if you wanna compare outfits, than Ezio is WAAAAY cooler than Altair http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly my point, I prefer the appeal that Ezio gives, the education, the charm. I can't help it, I prefer the Renaissance, it's the start of true civilization, imo.
And at History of Art classes the Arabic part wasn't that fun to study compared to the Renaissance.

lostassassin123
04-21-2009, 01:44 PM
I like Altair outfit better, and Ezio's switchblades seem really lame...

SpyderNynja
04-21-2009, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Artsncrafts:
I can't help it, I prefer the Renaissance, it's the start of true civilization, imo.

Hell yeah, and I'm real stoked to see that Ubi has placed the next chapter of the game in that time. All the little things I've seen so far look fascinating.

drfeelgood8849
04-21-2009, 02:38 PM
i much prefer altair's more plain look. ezio is too flashy and extravagant. seriously he has two popped collars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif thats just not cool. also altair's gauntlet is cooler looking and i prefer the single hidden blade.

caswallawn_2k7
04-21-2009, 03:40 PM
I prefer altair more as well looks much more under stated and trying to keep attention away from him self more than Ezio.

craxe
04-21-2009, 03:57 PM
I like Ezio better overall, i've always liked the guy who can talk his way out of anything. plus i think that he'll have much better battle banter than "Come down here!". I also have a love for the left armed cape thing of his, along with the two blades, which i think he should actually be able to fight with.

drfeelgood8849
04-21-2009, 03:58 PM
exactly cas.

NotLordAtkin
04-21-2009, 04:04 PM
Ezio is badass. full stop. His suit is awesome.

howgh.

NotLordAtkin
04-21-2009, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by drfeelgood8849:
i much prefer altair's more plain look. ezio is too flashy and extravagant. seriously he has two popped collars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif thats just not cool. also altair's gauntlet is cooler looking and i prefer the single hidden blade.

that's not extravaganza, that's renaissance.
it was quite normal back then. everyone was wearing this kinda clothes, thus he's blending better with the crowd.

Tela
04-21-2009, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Kanuch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drfeelgood8849:
i much prefer altair's more plain look. ezio is too flashy and extravagant. seriously he has two popped collars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif thats just not cool. also altair's gauntlet is cooler looking and i prefer the single hidden blade.

that's not extravaganza, that's renaissance.
it was quite normal back then. everyone was wearing this kinda clothes, thus he's blending better with the crowd. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

I also agree with whoever said that we can't really tell which character is better, as the game isn't even out yet. We'll just have to wait until we know Ezio better. >_>

Black_Widow9
04-21-2009, 04:27 PM
I too will wait and see which one I like better after I play. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Drag_Harlen
04-21-2009, 05:04 PM
It's called speculation guys. Part of having forums AT ALL is discussing your ideas on things that ARE YET TO BE. Talking about things like " oh i wonder if youll be able to do this, that would be really cool " or " ill bet this character behaves like this " its part of the fun and part of the reason there are forums at all. If you don't see a point in discussing this then leave the thread, don't bash it.

and yeah, as others have pointed out, the flashy outfit that Ezio wears would have been common dress for a nobleman in that age. wih the exception maybe of the hood. so his outfit is actually much less conspicuous than altair's was. the bright red sash of his would have been very rare to come by in the middle ages. dyes were expensive luxuries.

EDIT: Also, kudos Widow for the Samurai Jack avatar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

the amolang
04-21-2009, 07:21 PM
I personally like them both.

Altair was simple, and in a good way, he was a commoner that knew very little. He wasn't very emotional and it seems he had a troubled past. I think the way he dresses shows his personality, simple and normal, not extravagant.

Ezio seems cool too, I like the way he dresses. From what the devs had said about him, most sounds okay.... but i don't know about him being a "ladies-man"..... i think what will be more interesting in the second one is that we will see more character development. I think that he will become gruffer and more assassin-like through the game. He starts off as a noble man that is very cultured, (and by the way, i don't think many noble men would know the streets like that, they often kept away from the poorer people. so this already shows that he has changed from what he used to be...) and becomes a killer. that is a huge change... Ezio dresses with more class. more like a noble and better quality and more expensive. I think that it will show his personality just like Altair's clothes showed his.

I think that I will like them both equally for the most part and these two are hard to compare, as they are from different cultures and grew up in different classes and cities and countries! I just hope that they get a better voice actor for Ezio.... that was the only thing I disliked about Altair...

Drag_Harlen
04-21-2009, 07:52 PM
well said Amo. i pretty much agree with everything in your post. especially the part about altair's voice acting. that, i think, was the worst of all for me.

An_Idea
04-21-2009, 10:16 PM
if your talkin about the clothes... i will keep to my argument. ezio is filthy rich so he can afford nice clothes whereas altair's clothes follow the function they are required to. and we dont even kno what ezio sounds like yet. probably the same voice acter as altair

Xanatos2007
04-22-2009, 02:45 AM
Hopefully they keep Ezio's face hidden like with Altair. We never really knew what Altair looked like, tried picturing him without the hood? This leaves a sense of mystery to the character and feels like YOU'RE playing the game instead of controlling some other boring character.

drfeelgood8849
04-22-2009, 03:26 AM
@ xanatos: he has the same face model as desmond.

deskpe
04-22-2009, 07:53 AM
i think Ezio looks cooler then AltaÔr, and (with the little info we got) it sounds like Ezio will have a little more story to him then Altair did,
Altair was just told what to do, while ezio seems to be more in controle (but who know really)

i really like that they change up the character and stuff in these games tho

as for the 2 hidden blades, i think one is enough......... more elegant

Xanatos2007
04-22-2009, 07:58 AM
Although two would serve better in combat. Patrice (I think, lead designer) said that Ezio would be using his hidden blades for the majority of the game. But perhaps you can choose to use one or both for combat, because sometimes having a free hand can be quite handy.

the maxz
04-22-2009, 10:14 AM
Ezio looks way cooler than Altair.
But from what we know about ezio.
I like altair's attidude more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fairus60
04-22-2009, 08:56 PM
I honestly like them both equally. For me, both of them look badass, I honestly dont really care about who is better than the other, while they are assassins, wear hoods and of the same family, Im ok

DanielModica
04-23-2009, 01:17 AM
i think altair is cooler, he was more mysterious and his 'attitude' just seems way cooler, but we will see once we get more information.

moqqy
04-23-2009, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by maxz1_018:
Ezio looks way cooler than Altair.
But from what we know about ezio.
I like altair's attidude more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Okay, firstly. You don't know anything about Ezio's attitude.

Secondly.. what's there to like about Altair's attitude? What do you like about it?

Kaxen6
04-23-2009, 01:24 AM
Based on character design, I like Altair a lot more. Might have something to do with how fast I can crank out comics. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif Ezio isn't as fun to draw.

Haven't seen enough of Ezio in action to decide on story and personality.

revoltingbunny
04-23-2009, 01:27 AM
@moqqy:Arrogance? Yes arrogance.

the maxz
04-23-2009, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maxz1_018:
Ezio looks way cooler than Altair.
But from what we know about ezio.
I like altair's attidude more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Okay, firstly. You don't know anything about Ezio's attitude.

Secondly.. what's there to like about Altair's attitude? What do you like about it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We don't know anything about ezio? What are you talking about you know he is a nobleman and he is good with the ladies. I think a assassin needs to be misterious and right to the point.
And not charming and that kind of stuf.

But that's only my opinion. So what the f*ck are you argueing about

revoltingbunny
04-23-2009, 03:22 AM
Stop making a fool of yourself with childish pathetic insults. It's not needed in this forum.

moqqy
04-23-2009, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by maxz1_018:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maxz1_018:
Ezio looks way cooler than Altair.
But from what we know about ezio.
I like altair's attidude more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Okay, firstly. You don't know anything about Ezio's attitude.

Secondly.. what's there to like about Altair's attitude? What do you like about it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We don't know anything about ezio? What are you talking about you know he is a nobleman and he is good with the ladies. I think a assassin needs to be misterious and right to the point.
And not charming and that kind of stuf.

But that's only my opinion. So what the f*ck are you argueing about </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We don't know anything about his attitude. Being a nobleman does not tell anything, neither does being good with the ladies. You don't know if he's "mysterious" or "right to the point".

And your last paragraph.. http://i41.tinypic.com/3460z1j.png

revoltingbunny
04-23-2009, 05:21 AM
"Nacht der untoten"

Please translate moqqy.

dtisalive
04-23-2009, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by revoltingbunny:
"Nacht der untoten"

Please translate moqqy.

Well, you didn't really ask ME to translate, but is that "Night of the Undead" (in German)?

As for the main topic of this thread, the only thing we can comment on is whether Altair is better(or worse) than an 'average assassin'(not that I know any). Let's look at Ezio - same face, same job, but everything else seems to be different. Of course, he can swim("Oh no! Suicide!!" for Altair), he can glide(thanks to Da Vinci), and he can do a few more things too. But for me, he depends on a third party(Da Vinci, in this case), and THAT is not my type of assassin.

So I'll take Altair.

moqqy
04-23-2009, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by revoltingbunny:
"Nacht der untoten"

Please translate moqqy.

Why?

UchihaKarasu
04-23-2009, 07:07 AM
I like Altair and Ezio both.

The reason I like Altair is the fact that he starts out as a almost unlikeable character but he evolves over the game. He learns things that make him question his motives, and he know when he needs to step up and make things right.

Now, I don't know much about Ezio, but this is my analysis. Like Altair, he is said to be arrogant. When his family is killed, he goes after revenge. Cliche but not surprising. He seems, I don't know, like he'd be more cocky than Altair. He's educated, he know the art of sword play, literature and art (which is good stuff to know during the Renaissance). But even though we know hints of his background, Ubisoft says, that like Altair, his past will be mysterious.
As for the people who think charming the ladies is not very assassin-like, I beg to differ. I think it's VERY assassin like. Look at the Kunoichi (female ninjas) who were trained in the art of seduction to help get a mission done. Ezio is obviously aware of the effect he has on women and uses it to his advantage. Like when he payed a women to dance with a man he later assassinated. So using you charm is also a form of stealth in a sense.

TheRealSam
04-23-2009, 07:29 AM
"Night of the living dead"



Not much is known so far, but I got a feeling that I will like Ezio more.

Drag_Harlen
04-23-2009, 07:35 AM
Exactly. And also, for anyone who thinks that personality doesn't play a part in assassination or spying, think of James Bond. Who was more suave and classy than James Bond? Sure he could shoot guns and he could karate chop a guy and knock him out, but those aren't the things that made him Bond. It was his class, his grace, his way with words and his ability to get just about anyone (particularly women) to do whatever he wanted/needed them to do, with nothing but his silver tongue.

THAT is what I am hoping to see in Ezio. Altair didn't have any interactions really with anyone. He had conversations sure, but he didn't use any sort of espionage. He just went for the kill and went home. No points for style, I know, but it does make for a more interesting character if they have a little flair.

Also, another point, someone said something about Ezio having a third party to help him out (Da Vinci) and Altair being a lone wolf er some such thing. And I disagree with that. Da Vinci is the equivalent to Altair's master. He provided Altair with all his weapons and told him who he was and was not aloud to kill. Plus, Altair had the help of all the reagents who managed the assassins places in the various cities. He was never just out there on his own without any aid. Altair and Ezio are both aided in ways, but they are both independant in the field. I seriously doubt Da Vinci is going to dawn a red and white outfit and go skulking through the night with Ezio...

FYTJ
04-23-2009, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by TheRealSam:
"Night of the living dead"

Nope. It's "night of the undead".

"Night of the living dead" would be "Nacht der lebenden Toten".

the maxz
04-23-2009, 09:12 AM
UchihaKarasu and Drag_Harlen a ok
I didn't think about that. The james bond kind
of seduction. That makes perfect sense.
Ok I'll choose not to choose between them.
I will wait it the game comes out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xanatos2007
04-23-2009, 09:28 AM
I'd still prefer the AC1 way of investigation, it made the Assassins really invisible. They gathered their information stealthily and anyone who came into contact with Altair ended up dying (except for other Assassins), and if Ezio starts seducing people everywhere then he'll be discovered all to easily. I think his charm may pay off sometimes, like talking a guard into allowing him entry, but as for investigations Ubisoft should leave it at stealthy recon. And I don't think the James Bond thing would work in real life.

revoltingbunny
04-23-2009, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by FYTJ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheRealSam:
"Night of the living dead"

Nope. It's "night of the undead".

"Night of the living dead" would be "Nacht der lebenden Toten". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I saw it in Call of Duty 5... Nazi Zombies so I thought I should know... Thanks anyway.

Xanatos2007
04-23-2009, 12:46 PM
Stay on topic.

FYTJ
04-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Did you really just try to give us an order? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Xanatos2007
04-23-2009, 01:27 PM
No, just a reminder. Talk about zombies etc on another thread/forum.

By the way, good job with the blog.

FYTJ
04-23-2009, 01:44 PM
Thanks.

But please be a bit more careful with your tone: making one post of which the sole purpose is to tell us "Stay on topic." does not exactly sound like the most polite way to remind people to stay on topic.

I, for example, felt it was rather bossy.

I'm not saying that's how you meant it. I'm only saying that since these are just forums and not real life, the tone in which you mean things is difficult for others to interpret.

Xanatos2007
04-23-2009, 01:48 PM
Apologies, Miss.

Anyway, like I stated earlier, Ezio's outfit would suit better for blending into nobility and parties etc. Altair's would suit more to the actual assassination part of the mission, since it looks easier to maneuver in.

As for personality, from what I know so far I prefer Altair. Apparently Ezio changes throughout the course of the game (perhaps this will become a trend throughou the franchise), so we shall have to wait and see.

LaurenIsSoMosh
04-23-2009, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Drag_Harlen:
One of my least favorite things about the first game was the protaganist himself, Altair.

Made me sick. Ezio is an educated man, a cultured man. He's suave, he's slick, he's a ladies man. Altair came off as more of the A-Sexual type. I definately am looking forward to seeing if Ezio is as smooth as Ubisoft is making him out to be.

Your thoughts? Educated, cultured, suave, slick, and good with the ladies. In other words, spoiled rotten, filthy rich, snobby, and maybe even self-centered and unsympathetic to the poor and downtrodden.

Srsly, can you not imagine Ezio easily being repulsive just like Altair, only in different ways? Because I can.

The way I imagine it, Ezio has lived a pampered and carefree life, and when tragedy strikes, his only motive is revenge, for himself. But being a rich man, probably cast out and on the run from the family that killed his, forced to hide among common people that he has considered less than himself, will slowly change his opinions and grow as a character.

One of the things I liked most about Altair was how he started out as utterly repulsive and unlikeable, but slowly became a... less unlikeable person. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And I wouldn't be surprised if they give Ezio the same amount of room for character growth.
Originally posted by FYTJ:
I'm not saying that's how you meant it. This sounds an awful lot like yelling to me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Xanatos2007
04-23-2009, 02:09 PM
Well put.

UchihaKarasu
04-25-2009, 10:10 AM
I think one of the best elements of the first Assassin's Creed was that Altair was not a static character. He evolved over time and that gives you a way to relate and even learn with him. AC is a game that sucks you in and allows you identify with the characters and understand what's going through their mind, yet they still remain mysterious. It's kind of like how when you take out a target and they say something that makes you wonder who's the bad guy.

I can also see Ezio being a brat, as he is born into privilege and that is often the case. But seeing that he has a good relationship with Da Vinci, who was the bastard son of a clerk (I think it was a clerk), he might get a different view of the lower classes and such.
I dunno, just a theory.

An_Idea
04-25-2009, 10:19 AM
i think he might be kinda like altair at the start. where hes overconfident. a brat and doesnt care about anyone else. but then his whole family dies brutally and hes given a dose of reality

just wish they had more of Malik in the first game

mboltevski
04-25-2009, 11:38 AM
I hate to see Ezio being a renneissance Bond.
And Bond is ****. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

UchihaKarasu
04-25-2009, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by An_Idea:
i think he might be kinda like altair at the start. where hes overconfident. a brat and doesnt care about anyone else. but then his whole family dies brutally and hes given a dose of reality

just wish they had more of Malik in the first game

That'd be awesome if Malik had a descendant in AC2!!!!!

An_Idea
04-25-2009, 02:02 PM
aaaaaaahhh if they did have a decendant of malik in the second game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
that would be so cool

Xanatos2007
04-25-2009, 02:09 PM
Like I stated before somewhere, maybe one of the Assassins that save Desmond (if they do) is one of Malik's decendants.

gguest
04-25-2009, 05:34 PM
Way cooler, like Zorro. Hopefully we will see some infiltration into parties and such, instead on jumping on top of people in the street.

FifthGeneration
04-25-2009, 06:21 PM
i would almost gurantee that Ezio is going to go through the same "transformation"
that Altair did. if thats what u want to call it. hes a noble man so lets guess probably spoiled, selfish, big ego type of guy, the assassins are going to break him down just like they did to altair... so saying that altair and ezio are different is a mis-statement, they just exhibit different charateristics of the same personality, if that makes sense, and ezio, being the nobleman, hasnt been slapped on the wrist for behaving so... this is just a theory however but i dont see many other possibilities.

TastySandwich
04-25-2009, 09:45 PM
Maybe Ezio will use his "abilities" with women to reduce his notoriety :P

Xanatos2007
04-25-2009, 11:09 PM
Maybe by the end of the series Desmond will undergo the same transformation as Altair and/or Ezio. He ran away before because he didn't believe, maybe his eyes will finally be open to the truth.

nightpriestess
04-26-2009, 12:14 AM
Since I don't really know all that much about Ezio, I can't really say which I prefer. However, I do like Altair's "I'm so l33t" attitude. Shows he's not perfct.

Physical wise, I prefer Altair's outfit to Ezio's.

nightpriestess
04-26-2009, 12:14 AM
Crap, realized I accidentally double posted.

Drag_Harlen
04-26-2009, 01:52 AM
thats actually a good point with the characters all potientially being dynamic. altair did become much wiser by then end of the game, even though he started out as an over-confident jerk.

i could see how ezio and desmond could both evolve in such ways.

ezio could be spoiled and inconsiderate, as youve all said. he might perhaps even view himself as better than the underclass. but the loss of his family and his decention into crime could give him a better appreciation of the hard lives the lower class have to live.

and desmond has always seemed unsure of himself. as if he has alot o reason to doubt his abilities or whether or not he even wants to be a part of all this. he could eventually learn to accept who he is and become an assassin worthy of his lineage.

RonTorque
04-26-2009, 06:52 AM
Both looks cool i liked Altair and i had good time playing the game (Haven't finished it yet!)
and Ezio looks cool too but we don't know yet about him,for me personally i'll need to see him in action first before judging, Altair as a first impression was great.

UchihaKarasu
04-26-2009, 09:57 AM
I agree with Nightpriestess, the flaws in Altair's personality and the way he is able to learn proves that he is human.

Jack_Vykios
04-29-2009, 06:39 AM
Altair had no character. He was dull and everything about him that was badass was the way he moved and looked. There was very little depth to him, and...well, he was just DULL.

We know very little about Ezio. He seems more promising, but, really, the only way we'll get any kind of idea as to how effective the character is, is if and when we're told that the writer's been changed...because some of the writing was bloody awful in AC1, and that kind of ruined SOME of the game for me.

TheRealSam
04-29-2009, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by FYTJ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheRealSam:
"Night of the living dead"

Nope. It's "night of the undead".

"Night of the living dead" would be "Nacht der lebenden Toten". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am from Germany and I know I am right. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Both translations are correct. It is a synonym.

"Nacht der lebenden Toten" is absolutly the same as "Nacht der Untoten".

@topic:
I didn`t had the feeling he was "dull".
And his characteristics changed from arrogance to humbleness.
Still a bit more depth would be fine, I agree.

FROGGEman2
05-21-2009, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by Drag_Harlen:
One of my least favorite things about the first game was the protaganist himself, Altair.

" Look at me im so BA everyone else sucks! Also, I speak without any sort of accent unlike everyone else around me. Hows that possible? CAUSE IM SO AMAZING ZOMG I LOOOOVE MYSELF!!! GAAH!! "

Made me sick. Ezio is an educated man, a cultured man. He's suave, he's slick, he's a ladies man. Altair came off as more of the A-Sexual type. I definately am looking forward to seeing if Ezio is as smooth as Ubisoft is making him out to be.

Your thoughts?

Asexual, asexual. One word. Sorry.

I think that Ezio is cooler, but they explained why Altair had no accent...

apexman13
05-27-2009, 08:58 PM
well personally i dont know what Ezio sounds like or how he reacts so you cant really pit them against eachother with that but pictorially i think Altair looks cooler and more ,well..assassinatory ( i know thats not a word)
whereas Ezio looks kind of flashy with the collar and the fluffy sleeves like hes going to a party or something, although this is the renaissance time period. so you cant really compare them till Assassins creed 2 comes out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ann_kyrie
06-03-2009, 06:15 AM
i think AltaÔr is fantastic but it's true that Ezio seems cooler. Ezio will be the best of AltaÔr

XFalconsBladeX
06-03-2009, 02:14 PM
well of course there gonna make Ezio better than Altair its ac2 not ac1 i bet when they were make ac1 they had the idea of ac2 it takes time to create games. it just a plot if its a game with sequels of course if gonna get better each time a new on comes out. i like both of them Since i am arabic i like altair a little better but ezios cloths are so cool

pop_sot
06-03-2009, 02:16 PM
Altair is stylish, No Doubts

Lionflame
06-03-2009, 02:25 PM
I really like Ezio's accent. And I used to dislike his name but now it's grown on me.

RzaRecta-357
06-03-2009, 03:26 PM
Hey everyone, had to create an account because I love these games so much. I mean it had me on wiki for days after I played it just learning new things. Can't wait for the new one!

On topic.

Altair was an awesome character, seeing him grow was awesome as well.

Can't wait to see how Ezio is. So far his outfit is NUTS.

altairego
06-05-2009, 08:51 AM
i am open minded, taking each man on his own merits.

altair was badass enough for his time. and ezio will be badass for his. different moralities. different times.

Stormpen
06-05-2009, 09:05 AM
Yeah.......

However, I think I like Ezio better coz he seems more human....
Altair was a right bastard @ the start of AC. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

moqqy
06-05-2009, 09:12 AM
And he was childish throughout the game.

obliviondoll
06-05-2009, 09:13 AM
When you've won the game, go back to the animus, DON'T replay the missions, start viewing the viewable content from the end of each assassination - there's a journal-entry type bit about Altair's thoughts after each killing. They REALLY delve into the progression of the character.

Stormpen
06-05-2009, 09:25 AM
When you've won the game, go back to the animus, DON'T replay the missions, start viewing the viewable content from the end of each assassination - there's a journal-entry type bit about Altair's thoughts after each killing. They REALLY delve into the progression of the character.

Could u post his thoughts AFTER Talal's death?

I kinda don't have my PS3 anymore, and my PC doesn't support the requirements. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

obliviondoll
06-05-2009, 09:27 AM
I'll look them up tomorrow and PM you - my PS3's off at the moment and it's after 3am.

altairego
06-05-2009, 09:28 AM
totally agree with that assessment.


Originally posted by Stormpen:
Yeah.......

However, I think I like Ezio better coz he seems more human....
Altair was a right bastard @ the start of AC. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Stormpen
06-05-2009, 09:32 AM
I'll look them up tomorrow and PM you - my PS3's off at the moment and it's after 3am.

Thanks. I appreciate that.

Me being new and all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Alex_HS
06-05-2009, 11:21 AM
I think they are just diferent, one fits the cruzades era and the other the renaissance.

But Enzio seems too "fruity" for my taste, from his name to his overkill outfit..

Allankles
06-05-2009, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by obliviondoll:
For now, Altair, for familiarity and the fact that he's shown as a bit of a psycho in the early stages of the game. "My way is better." I like that attitude in a hero-to-be, and the contrast with his later words.

Until we'e seen Ezio in action, I'm not setting that in stone though.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I also liked that about Altair. His arrogance at the beginning of the game bordered on insanity and that made him kinda cool.

He was an anti-hero for sure and then became wiser and more centred as the game went on, it's rare to see such character growth in a video game.

Plink117
06-05-2009, 03:39 PM
I actually loved the first assassin. The voice thing was kinda wierd, but 1. I think ur wrong about Altair loving himself. He comes off to me as the type of guy who's so emotional that before he leaps into the air and pulls a knife, mind you, a SPRING-LOADED knife out from his left wrist and stabs someone in the face, he thinks about killing himself. 2.when I played AC I was obsessed with the costume... Then I saw Ezio. I liked Ezio WAAAY more than I liked Altair, and I LOVED the character model for Altair. I like the idea for AC2 more than I liked AC1 is probably because I'm more interested in this time-period, oh, and Leonardo di ser Piero Da Vinci is my FAVORITE historical figure of all time (Yes, I saw the flying machine.) Once more I was drawn into a new obsession. Guess what happened next. I SAW THE BLACK CLOAK EZIO... You get the picture from there...Sadness...

In short, I agree with you that Ezio is cooler, but I liked Altair, too

Dark_Assassin
06-05-2009, 03:48 PM
from what I have seen I do not think he is cooler, just alot more fancy. Think of it like this, Altair does parkour, Ezio does free running. Myself I love the arrogance of altair and how he is so composed in every situation, yes sometimes he can be to cocky but in the end he learns from it, and changes to become a more intellegent person. Ezio just strikes me as a person who wants revenge no-matter how it is delivered and Assassination is his only course of action. He just does not seam as Assassiny ( its a word) as Altair who does what he does best because he loves it, not for a set reason. I mean there is a possibility that Ezio will stop being an Assassin after he has his revenge and if so then he is turning his back on the creed ect.
That is why I prefer (at the moment) Altair

moqqy
06-05-2009, 04:58 PM
Ezio smiles after killing a guard in the CGI trailer, so I think he quite enjoys it, too.

creedgirl1992
06-06-2009, 06:41 AM
I have to say I like Altair because I have gotten to know his personality and his style of fighting but I can't compare him with Ezio yet since AC2 isn't out yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

PWNcracker
06-07-2009, 12:23 PM
I like Ezio, even though we have seen very little of him.

I'm looking forward to seeing a more suave, smooth main character, sort of like James Bond but without a suit or <STRIKE>gun</STRIKE>.

SWJS
06-07-2009, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Dark_Assassin:
from what I have seen I do not think he is cooler, just alot more fancy. Think of it like this, Altair does parkour, Ezio does free running. Myself I love the arrogance of altair and how he is so composed in every situation, yes sometimes he can be to cocky but in the end he learns from it, and changes to become a more intellegent person. Ezio just strikes me as a person who wants revenge no-matter how it is delivered and Assassination is his only course of action. He just does not seam as Assassiny ( its a word) as Altair who does what he does best because he loves it, not for a set reason. I mean there is a possibility that Ezio will stop being an Assassin after he has his revenge and if so then he is turning his back on the creed ect.
That is why I prefer (at the moment) Altair You're forgetting that Ezio learns through a codex written by Altair.

Altair was cool. The only thing I dispised about him was his dull, monotoned, un-emotional voice acting.

But Altair's character progression is what made him the greatest assassin of his time.

Since Ezio learns from a set of codes and instructions written by Altair, I believe that even if Ezio is a pompous jerk at the beginning, he'll learn through da Vinci's guidance and Altair's text and will become a better person, and a better killer. Plus, the man who Ezio shot in the trailer was wearing a Templar Cross. You could tell by the shape and the red gem. Ezio's revenge may be directed at a family of Templars, and it may be revealed that this conspiracy is just another Templar world domination plot, and not just a revenge motif.

The way I see it, Altair and Malik were both intelligent and honorable men, both in the same boat, so-to-speak. I believe Altair wrote the Codex, then handed it down to Malik, along with the leadership of the Hashshashin, in order to seek out Ada, the woman that Altair was supposedly in love with before the events in the game. An informer in Damascus mentions that she left Altair, probably because of his career.

Altair may have married her and had children, while it's possible he left Malik in charge, and over the years tought his sons and daughters the Creed and the Assassin's code, while keeping in contact with Malik.

Since Malik followed the traditions of the Hashshashin, he would most likely have kept to the code and kept the organization alive.

With both Malik and Altair, now eye-to-eye, working together, it is possible that they both shaped the furtures of the children, and they're bloodline, by teaching and passing down the ways of the Hashshashin.

eldexo
06-07-2009, 06:41 PM
Altair is the bomb. Ezio has some big boots to fill.

TheVGamer
10-31-2009, 02:48 PM
Altair has no class and no interaction with people around him because it's Medieval and war,so there is no point of being stealthy.That's the reason why he is so mysterious ,and of course because he is an Assassin.I vote for Altair

Ezio_475
10-31-2009, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by TheVGamer:
Altair has no class and no interaction with people around him because it's Medieval and war,so there is no point of being stealthy.That's the reason why he is so mysterious ,and of course because he is an Assassin.I vote for Altair
Why did u revive a really old topic?

yayforstealth
10-31-2009, 04:09 PM
I liked Altair, almost wish we could play as him again. Yeah, I actually don't think I will like Ezio as much as Altair.

AetosEagle
10-31-2009, 06:09 PM
Fans of Altair: People who don't like the switch between the two extremes. Altair being the rough, arrogant and very rude character. Ezio being the polite but smart-arse, smooth educated character. Or because he's the "original".


Fans of Ezio: People who think they are badass enough to be Ezio. Who think he looks and will be superawesomekickasskillassassinninja. Or just because they are looking forward to all the upgrades, additions and a new character.

I prefer Ezio. He has MUCH more of a personality, we will see more of a link between Desmond and Ezio, much more of a connection with Ezio and a heavily detailed background story. Unlike Altair, in which we all we know about him is that he's an Assassin, and that he did some bad things, and that he was the best one.

Ezio we re-live his BIRTH, right the way up until his adulthood.

Ezio just seems like a very, very well developed character.

MartaVasques
10-31-2009, 06:18 PM
I canít believe weíre discussing thisÖ AGAIN! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
And I canít also believe Iíll get into the fightÖ AGAIN! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Iím such a Altair fangirlÖ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I donít think not knowing much about Altair is a bad thing. Heís supposed to be mysterious and thatís part of his success as a game character. Works super with the ladies tooÖ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Anyway, Altair personality develops throughout the game. We can see him going from the top arrogant and reckless Assassin to someone who actually shows heart. And I believe if we had the chance to follow his life since he was a teenager Ė like weíre gonna do with Ezio Ė we would all be very surprised how deep of a character he really is.

On the other hand, good thing we donít know much about him Ė this way we get a lot of cool games to cover all the angles in the story! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

AetosEagle
10-31-2009, 07:08 PM
I think Altair is kind of an "empty" character. He was born into the Assassins, or orphaned there at a very young age, all he would have done is train and meditate which would lead to a minimalist personality, consisting only of a few motives which is made clear in his judgements in the game. He only sees things in black and white in the beginning and takes an extreme to change his views (stabbing him in the stomache http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif). The only development in Altair is he realises not everything is to be taken at face value. Not much else. If we went back to his teens all we would see is training and meditating. Not very exciting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

But with Ezio we already see his life is packed full of emotionally changing stuff.

MartaVasques
10-31-2009, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by AetosEagle:
If we went back to his teens all we would see is training and meditating. Not very exciting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

That is a matter of taste, I suppose. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But that was also what made of him the Assassin he was. Don't get me wrong, I also think Ezio seems very well developed as a character, but seing how violent he is kind of shocks me.

Grimmjow1993
10-31-2009, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AetosEagle:
If we went back to his teens all we would see is training and meditating. Not very exciting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

That is a matter of taste, I suppose. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But that was also what made of him the Assassin he was. Don't get me wrong, I also think Ezio seems very well developed as a character, but seing how violent he is kind of shocks me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Assassin's Creed was not meant for someone afraid of blood. Ezio is probably gonna be better because we're going through his life, not just a year of killing.

MartaVasques
10-31-2009, 09:23 PM
This has nothing to do with being afraid of blood. Has to do with brutality. There is no need to kill someone viciously and some of the things we've been seeing about Ezio fighting techniques are just uncalled for.

UchihaKarasu
10-31-2009, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
I donít think not knowing much about Altair is a bad thing. Heís supposed to be mysterious and thatís part of his success as a game character. Works super with the ladies tooÖ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


mm-hmm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
But I still like Ezio, because he lives in the Renaissance, he has dark hair that's pulled into a ponytail and he's best friends with Leonardo da Vinci http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

El_Sjietah
10-31-2009, 09:29 PM
Altair is probably the better assassin. Seeing he's been raised to become one since early childhood, he doesn't know any better. He's brainwashed into doing whatever he is orderred, without emotion. Ezio on the other hand, becomes an assassin relatively late in his life, has already had some former education and becomes one mainly out of revenge, a very emotional reason. Emotions can cloud your judgement and make you reckless, while a former education can make you doubt your orders and make you hesitate. All of these can get you killed very quickly when you're an assassin.

Grimmjow1993
10-31-2009, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
This has nothing to do with being afraid of blood. Has to do with brutality. There is no need to kill someone viciously and some of the things we've been seeing about Ezio fighting techniques are just uncalled for.

All's fair in love and war. Ezio is supposed to be angry because of his family, of course he'd be more vicious. Altair was colder than ice in his killings.

MartaVasques
10-31-2009, 09:32 PM
Which could make him more focused and efficient than a man blinded by thoughts of vengeance.

Xanatos2007
10-31-2009, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
Which could make him more focused and efficient than a man blinded by thoughts of vengeance.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Grimmjow1993
10-31-2009, 09:33 PM
And that makes him cool?

MartaVasques
10-31-2009, 09:35 PM
Hell yeah!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Cof*

Makes him a better Assassin. Not a butcher.

UchihaKarasu
10-31-2009, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
Which could make him more focused and efficient than a man blinded by thoughts of vengeance.

Agreed, but soon Ezio will want Justice. Even though Altair had doubts about his victims guilt/innocence, he still carried out the killings.
However, Altair is pretty much the model/ideal Assassin. So in that sense he wins, he will always be the original. And we wouldn't have Ezio without Altair.
But, when you get down to it, the next generation will always surpass the next in some aspect or another.

Xanatos2007
10-31-2009, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Grimmjow1993:
And that makes him cool?

Originally posted by Grimmjow1993:
Altair was colder than ice in his killings.
I rest my case... if I had one.

Grimmjow1993
10-31-2009, 09:46 PM
Wow, that's pretty good.

MartaVasques
10-31-2009, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
Agreed, but soon Ezio will want Justice. Even though Altair had doubts about his victims guilt/innocence, he still carried out the killings.
However, Altair is pretty much the model/ideal Assassin. So in that sense he wins, he will always be the original. And we wouldn't have Ezio without Altair.
But, when you get down to it, the next generation will always surpass the next in some aspect or another.

Couldn't agree more. My point is Altair is the quintessential Assassin. And that's why the new ones will always be compared to him. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

phantompunch
10-31-2009, 10:19 PM
altair was just too stale for me, ezio definitely has more of a cold-blooded nature than altair.

El_Sjietah
11-01-2009, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by phantompunch:
altair was just too stale for me, ezio definitely has more of a cold-blooded nature than altair.

Err, not at all. If anyone is the coldblooded one, it's Altair. He didn't even know these people. Simply killed them because he was ordered to, without emotion.
Ezio on the other hand, goes after these people out of vengeance. Anger, a sense of injustice and feeling powerless all balled into one. It doesn't get more hot-blooded than that.

AetosEagle
11-01-2009, 08:54 AM
Altair felt like a smelly old rug that's in your grandma's front living room. Yeah it's had some experience over the years but it's dull, its boring and you want a new one.

Ezio looks already as if he is a mound of sherbert stirred up in some lemonade, fresh, tasty and quite bubbly.

NuclearFuss
11-01-2009, 08:55 AM
Plus, Ezio can move bodies showing how lazy Altair was.

Grafferu
11-01-2009, 09:51 AM
I like Altair a lot more then this new rich pretty boy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif yeah I said it
Ezio's a brute, smashing people's heads with hammers and stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif using other people's help for his missions http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Altair's a real assassin

nadaloglou
11-01-2009, 09:55 AM
Sure,but if you go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...zqlw&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a12e3iKzqlw&feature=channel) you will see a trailer that Enzio is like a god http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

AetosEagle
11-01-2009, 09:56 AM
Bruce Wayne is a "pretty rich boy", doesn't mean underneath all that he actually helps a lot of people. That's just a bad stereotype. And erm, if someone had killed nearly all your family, betrayed you and caused you a MASSIVE amount of pain and suffering for the rest of your life, you won't go easy on them, will you. You won't daintly skip towards their killer with a hidden blade and maybe a throwing knife. You would go full force concentrated assault.

Altair also had help, from the people he visited before missions, Ezio is smart by utilising Allies, which is what a true Assassin is all about, utilising every opportunity to kill your target in the best way possible.

GkrewZ
11-01-2009, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by nadaloglou:
Sure,but if you go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...zqlw&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a12e3iKzqlw&feature=channel) you will see a trailer that Enzio is like a god http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

His name is Ezio not Enzio there is NO N in his name...this is far too common http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Samuel032593
11-01-2009, 10:28 AM
I think of Altair the way that I used to think of Sam before they come out with the whole Hollywood drama thing in Conviction. Altair showed little emotion, and did what he was told. Sure he developed his own feelings about the killings he was commiting, but he didn't stop until he actually discovered he had been betrayed, just like Sam in the new Splinter Cell. And now Ezio is like the new Sam, out for cold hard vengeance yet performing more efficiently than the average angry man. Then he eventually is out instead for justice, to save the poor unsuspecting individuals who will all too soon become the victims of a plot to rule over the citizens of a large land mass, and then eventually rule the world if possible. So I guess as far as being "cool" goes, I have to give it to Ezio, I mean, he's almost like a vampire with his killings, everytime you see him kill in the inematics, he looks directly at you from the screen, and smiles at you, just a small smerk that says a mouthful, "I am Ezio Auditoure de Firenze, and I am an Assassin". But, then you have Altair who is the model assassin: Cold, unnerved, strong, agile, and willing to do anything his masters command of him, so long as they themselves do not betray the creed. So to answer the original question, Ezio may be cooler, but Altair is more efficient.

TxL7833
11-01-2009, 05:16 PM
I did like Altair because he was a veteran and did what he had to without showing any emotion. He went through a change in the first game, from being a ruthless assassin who used the creed as a justification for his wrong actions. To a calmer more professional assassin who eventually surpassed his master. Even though he did do all of that he still seemed a little too self centred and overconfident even when he fought his own master.

I personally like Ezio because he loses his family so suddenly and is forced to take on so many responsibilities and somehow manages to handle them even though he spent so much of his life without any worries and any serious decisions to make. Plus the responsibilities that he takes on a lot of people can relate to. He has to make decisions on how to become the head of his family and give them protection from other threats. Whereas, Altair doesn't have any family and really doesn't need to protect anyone because the other assassins are all so bad ***. He just makes sure that he follows the creed.

MartaVasques
11-01-2009, 05:53 PM
I guess it depends on whether you prefer a role model or a more realistic character. Altair is the model by which Assassins are sculpted: cold, silent, lonely. Ezio not only doesnít hide his emotions but heís also driven by them. So, again, itís a matter of taste.

acbluflame
11-01-2009, 05:54 PM
For obvious reason, I haven't played as Ezio yet.

But Altair just feels like a badass, cut through the crap kind of person. When playing as him, sort of makes you feel like you're more important than everybody else (in a video game lol!).

TxL7833
11-02-2009, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
I guess it depends on whether you prefer a role model or a more realistic character. Altair is the model by which Assassins are sculpted: cold, silent, lonely. Ezio not only doesnít hide his emotions but heís also driven by them. So, again, itís a matter of taste.

Yeah I guess it all depends on peoples taste,
but personally I don't see Altair as a role model. He leads a pretty sad life by any modern standards, he has no family, he constantly lives in secret and doesn't really exist. He has nothing to live for except himself, everything he does is ordered to him, he doesn't really know why he kills. Even though his master says that it's for justice, does Altair really have a choice?

But for those times he probably was a role model and must have been lucky that he didnt have a family or the templars would hunt down his family like they did to Ezio's family.

Atmon
11-02-2009, 01:35 PM
My 2 cents

Altair and Ezio video (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/from-altair-assassins-creed/58450)

I done that for you, mainly because of this topic guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Grafferu
11-02-2009, 01:56 PM
@ AetosEagle
I never said Ezio didn't help people, just that he doesn't need to go full force on every little opponent he meets on the street
Altair only needed some small info, he never used people like Ezio does, a true Assassin is all about working as quiet as he can without many people knowing what he's up to, in Ezio's case, half the city knows http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif like Marta said "Altair is the model by which Assassins are sculpted: cold, silent, lonely. Ezio not only doesnít hide his emotions but heís also driven by them" ..and TxL7833 pointed out very good that Altair has no family, he constantly lives in secret and doesn't really exist. He has nothing to live for except himself. Now that's the portrait of a Master Assassin. That's how all true assassins were back in the days. I also love the fact that Altair used to teach others how to fight/kill..while Ezio's a newb and needs to learn from uncle Amario http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

@ Atmon
really, you guys came up with this vid because of this thread ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif that's so cool

MartaVasques
11-02-2009, 02:00 PM
Thank you for this, Atmon! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I've seen it before, but I think it sums it up brilliantly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now why didn't I think of that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Atmon
11-02-2009, 02:39 PM
Yes, it mainly start because of discussions on Internet, and well, we wanted to share our thoughts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's probably the best part of my job http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LaurenIsSoMosh
11-02-2009, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
Altair is the model by which Assassins are sculpted: cold, silent, lonely. I must have missed the secret ending where Altair cries in a girl's arms about how he needs love. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Lonely? How did you come to that conclusion? Really, I'm interested. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MartaVasques
11-02-2009, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by LaurenIsSoMosh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MartaVasques:
Altair is the model by which Assassins are sculpted: cold, silent, lonely. I must have missed the secret ending where Altair cries in a girl's arms about how he needs love. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Lonely? How did you come to that conclusion? Really, I'm interested. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I missed that ending too, but I'd love to see it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Seriously, I meant lonely in a sense he doesnít have a family, a wife/girlfriend (except for Adha, which is missingÖ) or anyone close to him besides his brother Assassins. Well, not even them...

Grafferu
11-02-2009, 02:58 PM
yeah Lauren, have you seen Altair socializing with anyone ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif even with his conects he's cold and distant

LaurenIsSoMosh
11-02-2009, 02:59 PM
I kind of relate him to the Master Chief. He was kidnapped at the age of six, and from that point on the rest of his life is spent training and being an experimental super soldier. Yet he's not really upset at his superiors for kidnapping him, because it's the only life he's ever known.

So, technically, he's got no family, wife, or anything like that, but I just assumed that doesn't matter to him because he dedicated his entire life to the Assassin Order.

MartaVasques
11-02-2009, 03:02 PM
Exactly. But I didnít mean he feels lonely - only that he is, in his essence, a loner.

X10J
11-02-2009, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Atmon:
My 2 cents

Altair and Ezio video (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/from-altair-assassins-creed/58450)

I done that for you, mainly because of this topic guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

LaurenIsSoMosh
11-02-2009, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
Exactly. But I didnít mean he feels lonely - only that he is, in his essence, a loner. Now there you go. Is much more sense making now and agrees yes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

MartaVasques
11-02-2009, 04:00 PM
Gimme a break, will you, Lauren? English is not my first language! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

But thanks for helping me clear that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

El_Sjietah
11-02-2009, 04:02 PM
I understood what you meant just fine, so blame Lauren instead http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

LaurenIsSoMosh
11-02-2009, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
Gimme a break, will you, Lauren? English is not my first language! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif So... should I shout louder from now on? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Well, you're very well spoken from what I've read of your posts, so it's just that I took the word differently than how you meant it. My bad, dawg. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
I understood what you meant just fine, so blame Lauren instead http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Indeed.

caswallawn_2k7
11-02-2009, 04:40 PM
So... should I shout louder from now on?
it normally work's with none English Europeans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

MartaVasques
11-02-2009, 04:44 PM
Iím Portuguese, not deaf! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
But if I donít explain things quite clearly sometimes, now you know why! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GCconure
11-02-2009, 07:21 PM
I think their both cool! lol. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

UchihaKarasu
11-02-2009, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by LaurenIsSoMosh:
I must have missed the secret ending where Altair cries in a girl's arms about how he needs love. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


Marta! You didn't tell me you snuck into a secret ending for Assassin's Creed! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

MartaVasques
11-03-2009, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LaurenIsSoMosh:
I must have missed the secret ending where Altair cries in a girl's arms about how he needs love. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


Marta! You didn't tell me you snuck into a secret ending for Assassin's Creed! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I didn't!

But I'll be more than happy to help Altair in his search for love... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

El_Sjietah
11-03-2009, 09:16 AM
Really? He seems like the kind of guy that treats his girl like crap and smacks her on the head just cause he can. Meh, to each her own I guess http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

MartaVasques
11-03-2009, 09:30 AM
No, he's not! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Grafferu
11-03-2009, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
Really? He seems like the kind of guy that treats his girl like crap and smacks her on the head just cause he can. Meh, to each her own I guess http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
damn... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I can't stop laughing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
but no, I don't think Altair's like that

MartaVasques
11-03-2009, 01:41 PM
Oh, yeah?

First of all, just because Altair is the quiet type doesnít mean heís a creep! Besides, a man that goes on a quest to find the woman he loves is certainly not like that!

Second, how about Ezio? I donít know what kind of lines he uses, but the fact that he is so often presented like a ladiesí man makes me immediately want to slap him!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c151/marta_vasques/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-005.gif

El_Sjietah
11-03-2009, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by MartaVasques:
Oh, yeah?

First of all, just because Altair is the quiet type doesnít mean heís a creep! Besides, a man that goes on a quest to find the woman he loves is certainly not like that!


Altair is cold, closed and shows no hesitation about killing/hurting people. Especially at the start of ACI. He just does whatever he damn well pleases and never showed love for anything. I never played the DS game btw, so afaik he never did such a thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif