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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:40 AM
Specifically the A8 and A9. Do You prefer the Mk108 In-wing Cannons? Or a bomb load? Sometimes i'll take a bobm load, because it still leaves me with the in-win 20mm's (so i have 4 20mm's), And i get a free excuse to vulch someone with that bomb /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Also, what is the difference between SC and AB bombs? I'm pretty sure AB bombs explode in the air or slightly above the target, but i'm not sure. Thanks in advance.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:40 AM
Specifically the A8 and A9. Do You prefer the Mk108 In-wing Cannons? Or a bomb load? Sometimes i'll take a bobm load, because it still leaves me with the in-win 20mm's (so i have 4 20mm's), And i get a free excuse to vulch someone with that bomb /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Also, what is the difference between SC and AB bombs? I'm pretty sure AB bombs explode in the air or slightly above the target, but i'm not sure. Thanks in advance.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:55 AM
only take bombs for attacking ground targets
sure 4 20mm cannons is nice , butt bombs can do more damage

difference between ac & sc ?

uhm

one of them is a clusterbom
the bomb delay you type in the armenent screen decides how long a bomb will take to explode when i hit the ground
with clusterbombs i indicades the time from the point where the bomb is released till the container explodes and relaises the bomblets

or something like that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:56 AM
AB bombs are fragmentatin bombs. Theiy are effective mainly against trucks and soft tagets.
SC are usual explosive bombs.
Make an experiment : whenon ground, take a Stuka with an AB250 bomb. and before takeoff, dropp it under your own fusselage. Result? nothing , your plane will be OK. Note: I last made this test in the original Il2 so In FB the effect may differr.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 03:22 AM
AB bombs are good for the 4th of july and victory parades, the SC's are good for blowing big holes in things

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:41 AM
AB bombs while very effective against soft targets award no kills. This bug dates back to IL2 1.0. If you don't care about kill credits then AB bombs are the quickest way to blow an entire truck convoy apart. They explode in air atleast 3 seconds after you release them. Because of that, you must release them from a fairly high altitude in order for them to work. When I fly the Fw 190A's I usually take an SC500 and find something to drop it on. I kill enemy planes on the way home.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 05:53 AM
I only use the pods when going against the bombers. The explosions are totally cool! BOOM!

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:07 AM
Ehhh.. the 190 doesnt carry pods...

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:07 AM
If you realy want too inflict major damage................

May I suggest the Duel mg151 setup you better get some seriouse altitude to start the fight but if you hit something with thoes duels..... Its toast also there real acurate & the 108 isint so accurate

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:16 AM
BS87 wrote:
- Ehhh.. the 190 doesnt carry pods...

Take a look at that thing under the wing on my Phantom99 Focke Wolfe 190 A-9. That's an MK 103 cannon pod. There is another one on the right wing too. /i/smilies/16x16_man-wink.gif Have you ever flown the 190 A-9? Have fun!


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08-10-2003, 06:17 AM
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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:42 AM
Yes, But i asked about either the Sc 500 or the in win mk108's =p Actuaclly when i made that statement, i had forgotten about the mk103's. you caught me. I dont like the Mk103's though because they dont carry enough ammo.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:12 AM
Sir have you seen the size of the MK 103 shell. Take my word for it, it's freakin HUGE. Your really do not need lots of ammo, you just need to use it right. This is a one shot, one kill weapon and I totally love it's power. You just don't want to have the pods on if you are going to face lots of fighters too. ~S~

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:29 AM
Yes, i've seen it, and indeed, it's freaking huge. THe thing is, i usualy fight fighters, and i'm not that good of a shot yet /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:07 AM
What is your convergence set for?

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:19 AM
I love the dual MK-108's in the wings without a doubt. They give incredible firepower and don't seem to affect performance at all. I set convergence at 500 for two reasons:

1. It keeps the round nice and level in the crosshairs at the start. The round drops quickly but you shouldn't be firing from far away enough to allow for the round to drop anyway.

2. I have two 108's, I only need one of them to hit for the kill (in beta08) so I don't want the rounds to converge at a short distance. Having the convegence farther out gives you a bigger "hit box" and keeps the round from drooping downward as soon as its fired. 2 108's firing creates alot of spread out in front of you becuase of the recoil and natural spread of the gun. It is fairly easy to hit your target.

The A-8 or A-9 with Mk-108's have the best firepower in the game IMHO. I really like the one-shot one kill power with a good sized kill box. I carry bombs once in awhile just for fun and variety but the MK-108's can kill almost any ground target easily as well.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 10:06 AM
Yep, love the MK 103. A real sledgehammer.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:59 PM
I use mk108 only if I am against heavy bombers.. if not the default armament is quite enough.. though i might take a bomb, since you can't get wridth of that bombrack in A8/A9 .. that is a shame.. takes about 30km/h from your speed..

Both MG151/20 and MK108 are imho too weak, so hopefully patch fixxes this.. then FW-190 might actually become deadly (assuming that FM gets fixxed too : )

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:43 PM
Vipez, the FM is fixed, the mk108 is deadly as heck now, as well as the 20mm having more punch in the patch, atleast in beta08. I was aboe to saw the wings off a TB3 with just the 2 20mm's on the Dora. This is why i'm concerned about the 190 becoming a sort of noobish plance, cause it has so much firepower. I dont think it will though, and if it does, i'll stilly fly it.

And Hauptman99, my convergence is:

MG 400
Cannon 300

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 10:55 PM
Actually, scratch that, MG is 300, cannon is 200.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:14 AM
the FW-190 A9 in FB has bomb racks underneath EVEN if you DONT load bombs onto it

this is done to limit further the performance of it

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:39 AM
personally I dont like pods ( I fly mostly me109 but sometimes I get into a FW 190 just for the challenge it represents)...they are heavy and penalize you heavily on the maneouverability department..he he ( you know, they make you loose speed very fast and make you stall on turns slow and low)

Regarding bombs:

SD2 and SD4 are cluster bombs..."devil eggs"

sd2 was against personel and thin skinned vehicles like trucks or parked aircraft

sd4 was a saped charge device used against tanks and medium armor

the designation of a German high explosive bomb indicated the type of casing and the weight of the weapon in kilograms

SC(number) was a spreng cylindrische (high explosive general purpose)

SD(number) was a spreng dickwand (high explosive thick walled) for example : semi armor piercing

PC(number) was a panzerbombe cylindrische (armor piercing)

some bombs used an extended fuse called dinort designed to make the bomb detonate above ground where the blast could cause the most damage to troops and vehicles.




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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:27 AM
the A8 takes mk103 pods as well


the main advanatage of the mk103 is it is more reliable at much longer ranges (though it does pack more punch up close as well)

you can virtually "snipe" with your 103 pods at 500 metres or more

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 09:08 PM
So, what do you guys reccomend i set my convergences at? Hauptman?

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 09:18 PM
just be aware of the fact of the twin Mk 108 on A8 and A9 aren't pods... They are mispelled, instead what you get is twin Mk 108 in place of the outer wings 20mm...

This is the reason why it don't grieve plane performances...

there are not much ammo for the 30mm guns, but it is most useful against bombers, as a very short burst is enough to do much damage...

if you have to do ground attack, it is better to have a SC500, but for bomber interception, if you think you'll have to dogfight too, this configuration is very powerful (i think it is a bit too powerful, as it is the real sturmbock version, but i wait for the patch to have definitive FM)...

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 09:45 PM
I set convergence at 500 for ground attacks only.
200m for combat.
I can't afford to waste any ammo so I fire from a short range.
If you manage to get a good shot at convergence with those guns you'll see your enemy disintegrate.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:16 PM
when you take bombs and whant to dogfight after that: take the R modifications of the planes.

sometimes you have SC500 two times for one plane

If you choose the U version you usually have 2 guns less, means less weight and you'll be faster with the bomb: usefull when you want to go for groundtargets in a mission

The R versions are standard plane versions (all guns) with the bomb.

i don't want to advice you what to take on DF servers as i don't like them too much i play VOW or VEF or COOPs. Df is not my thing: no rules, ppl shoot others on chutes,...

but, if you know you'll have to deal with fighters choose standard weapon loadout, if you know you'll intercept bombers take something heavy.

convergence: airfighting 200 to 250
groundattack 500

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:25 PM
As I stated above I like convergence at 500 when using 108's in wings because I only need one hit and I like the straighter trajectory and a bigger hitbox instead of the rounds meeting in the same place.

If I fly a 190 with 4 151's then I lower my convergence to around 200.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:32 PM
I wasn't refering to your earlier post.
After I download the patch I'll thest the DM.
IF the 30mm are as damaging as they were in Il-2 I won't bother much with convergence/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:36 PM
Christos, my post wasn't directed at you, just thinking out loud again. Sorry for the confusion. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 11:10 PM
Gershy wrote:
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- sometimes you have SC500 two times for one plane
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- If you choose the U version you usually have 2 guns
- less, means less weight and you'll be faster with
- the bomb: usefull when you want to go for
- groundtargets in a mission
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What Fw190 could carry 2 1100lb bombs? The Fw carried 4 50kg bombs or 2 250kg bombs on its wing racks.

Removing the 2 outer MG151/20 decreased weight by 185 lb(84.6kg) plus ammo weight. How will one be faster with more weight and the drag from external bombs?

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 11:42 PM
The Mk 103 is a higher speed round than the 108 but the 108 has a greater pounch at closer range.

AB= Cluster
SC= Gernal purpose
SD= Armour peiceing

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 07:19 PM
*bump* above all the "Yay! patch" threads

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 01:40 AM
Meh... one last time.

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