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LEBillfish
05-13-2006, 11:53 AM
Hi All;

Some of you who fly with me might have at one time or another heard me state how my husband is an extreme "1984" paranoid from some of his work for the very same government......Naturally, being he absolutely changed my world in a VERY positive way, easily 180 degrees from how it had been for roughly 30 years, even teaching me to read and write in fact my entire education spurred by him.....I see him as nothing short of a God, even more so then Island Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Anywho, that attitude naturally rubs off on me as well....Yet as I was learning to read one of the SciFi books used contained a story of a look into the future. A general, high ranking was in a panic that the military was being threatened and was considering a coup d`etat. However, he was granted a look into the future, and what he beheld made him rejoice his beloved military in an almost constant state of war with extensive budgets and manpower.

He saw on a tactical world map here, there, and all over the world the number of forces and percentage of threat and resources required to do battle. He saw where situations were dire, and where victory was almost complete. Naturally he also witnessed how many other nations were now marked as allies of this force, openly willing to have forces sent there at any time. It was a warriors paradise, struggle and combat almost constant, the military now not only a sad necessity, yet welcome.

"This is outstanding!" he exclaimed, "Who are we fighting here? What new weapons are they using there? How did this enemy surrender there?"......Suddenly realizing, the military without taking over the government had become so invaluable, the clout they carried was far more then he ever dreamed.

"Ah, well here we are fighting a massive forest fire. The new weapons here a brand new vaccine clearly curing the mutated plague that threatened much of that continent. The enemy that surrendered there the famine we had been battling due to drought, now all there well fed and happy."

"What, plague, fire and famine?" The General obviously confused....."Why yes, dire battles, thousands dying, millions often threatened...In fact, at times entire ways of life threatened, cultures and peoples....The vast manpower, resources and "will" of those in the military all that could save them. Wars to be sure, more difficult, taxing and threatening then any political armed combat".

The General considered as he looked back over the map. So many conflicts, so much in the way of effort and resources required. The world seeming almost constantly threatened, on the brink of destruction so many places, the situation often dire yet in they rushed to fight the threat to civilian, man woman and child saving at times entire nations.......

and slowly a proud smile of the militaries importance to mankind as a whole slowly crept over his lips....As he could see, the battles fought with the world, made the conflicts of man against man seem petty. As if it was war he wanted, he had found the ultimate enemy.
__________________________________________

In this time of civil liberties being threatened, 1984 not near but long past being real......I found the story below a hint of above making me smile and wonder.....

What if?

http://charter.net/news/read.php?ps=1018&id=12796642&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS

Lodovik
05-13-2006, 12:21 PM
What? They're calling it the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency these days instead of NRA? And a retired Lt. Gen. admitting that it exists just like that. Things they're a-changing, indeed.
Nice to hear they are finding civilian uses too for all those wonderful toys.

That SciFi story, by the way. Woudn't be by Ray Bradbury, is it?

LEBillfish
05-13-2006, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Lodovik:
That SciFi story, by the way. Woudn't be by Ray Bradbury, is it?

Oddly I cannot recall. Here at the house we have a very extensive library some books dating back centuries yet there is a hard fast rule my husband made some time ago.

All "hardcover books are to be kept unless we already have one......All paperback once read, must be solicited to all here at the house, and if all have read it or no one is left who wants to it MUST be carried with you, and you must solicit others outside to take and read it under the condition it is to be passed on."....

It's somewhat embarrassing to walk up to a stranger and start a conversation about a book offering it to them if interested. Yet I've passed so many on I guess it works *shrug*

If you ever get one that has a handwritten "K2" mid page, that was mine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

russ.nl
05-13-2006, 01:02 PM
Wouldn't that be nice.

"Sci-Fi's are the building blocks of the future"

Great thing to pass books to others http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I'm reading a book of Marcus Aurelius at the moment.

ElAurens
05-13-2006, 01:04 PM
Great reads Billfish.

You continue to amaze.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

slipBall
05-13-2006, 03:18 PM
We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Back on 9-11 those people were on our soil using our communications to plot and kill. We can't continue to pretend that there isn't a threat. All wars require temporary extreams, look at our history from the revolution on up.

WWSensei
05-13-2006, 03:48 PM
In my last 18 months of military service I was involved in 24 military actions.

1 involved a potential combat scenario though it wasn't supposed it. Just happened. The other 23 were humantarian relief missions. Missions that truly helped a lot of innocent people out of horrible situations and were completly ignored by the world press.

And I'd do it again.

slipBall
05-13-2006, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
In my last 18 months of military service I was involved in 24 military actions.

1 involved a potential combat scenario though it wasn't supposed it. Just happened. The other 23 were humantarian relief missions. Missions that truly helped a lot of innocent people out of horrible situations and were completly ignored by the world press.

And I'd do it again.


Sir, I thank you for your service

BfHeFwMe
05-13-2006, 08:07 PM
There's an easier way to pass on the softcovers, think Dentists office. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

LEBillfish
05-13-2006, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
There's an easier way to pass on the softcovers, think Dentists office. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Books, not magazines.....and is probably not the point just to get rid of it. The point is most likely to encourage others to read.

djetz
05-14-2006, 02:30 AM
Not quite the same thing, but it reminds me of Harry Turtledove's "Worldwar" series:

***Quote***

The premise of the series is an alien invasion of Earth in the middle of World War II. The military invasion begins on or around May 30, 1942, but the aliens, who call themselves the Race, reached Earth orbit in December of 1941. Presumably, six months were spent making preparations for the attack.

Although the Race, a reptilian species, has the advantage of superior technology, their last information on humans was collected by a robotic probe during the 12th century. Their technology is only slightly ahead of what we have today: hydrogen based engines, holographic projectors, and cold sleep being among the technologies not in common use at the start of the 21st century. The "Lizards," as their human antagonists quickly dub them, are extremely surprised that mankind has progressed so far since their probe visited Earth. No species they have ever encountered has advanced so rapidly: they thought the toughest military force on the planet would still be Crusader knights on horses.

The narrative follows the intersecting fortunes of a large number of human and alien characters. Most notably the series depicts how the Axis and Allied powers must cooperate to fight the alien menace. A follow-up trilogy, Colonization, carries the story forward into a very different 1960s. The timeline ends with Homeward Bound.

***End quote***

I'm just reading Homeward Bound at the moment. Interesting. The first 4 are better than the follow-ups, but all are readable.

woofiedog
05-14-2006, 12:56 PM
Just finished rereading 1984 last month...

Quote from the book.

The voice from the telescreen was still pouring forth its tale of prisoners and booty and slaughter, but the shouting outside had died down a little.
The waiters were turning back to their work. One of them approached with the gin bottle. Winston, sitting in a blissful dream, paid no attention as his glass was filled up.
He was not running or cheering any longer. He was back in the Ministry of Love, with everything forgiven, his soul white as snow.
He was in the public dock, confessing everything, implicating everybody. He was walking down the white-tiled corridor, with the feeling of walking in sunlight, and an armed guard at his back. The longhoped-for bullet was entering his brain.

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache.
O cruel, needless misunderstanding!
O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast!
Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose.
But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished.
He had won the victory over himself.

He loved Big Brother.

T H E E N D

arcadeace
05-14-2006, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
In my last 18 months of military service I was involved in 24 military actions.

1 involved a potential combat scenario though it wasn't supposed it. Just happened. The other 23 were humantarian relief missions. Missions that truly helped a lot of innocent people out of horrible situations and were completly ignored by the world press.

And I'd do it again.

And that's typical. Very typical of the motives and actions many don't want known. Sometimes you can't be sure of some members' posts... there's no problem with yours. Like slipBall, here's another thanks.

A lot of us know what's going on, unfortunately not enough.

Take care http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Targ
05-14-2006, 03:07 PM
I award this post a Bravo Zulu!

Waldo.Pepper
05-14-2006, 03:10 PM
Books are sacred.
If I own one, I never give it away, no matter the cover.
Most often I will read the book from a library first. (I can access books in libraries throughout North America - due to some associations.) Often enough the book is exceptional, so I will buy a copy online.
I give books as gifts often.
I rarely lend them, as all too often they are never returned.

SNIFF1969
05-14-2006, 04:03 PM
In reality Modern intelligence agencies rely on people on the ground and word of mouth, pretty mundane really .

WarWolfe_1
05-14-2006, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Back on 9-11 those people were on our soil using our communications to plot and kill. We can't continue to pretend that there isn't a threat. All wars require temporary extreams, look at our history from the revolution on up.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

p1ngu666
05-14-2006, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
In my last 18 months of military service I was involved in 24 military actions.

1 involved a potential combat scenario though it wasn't supposed it. Just happened. The other 23 were humantarian relief missions. Missions that truly helped a lot of innocent people out of horrible situations and were completly ignored by the world press.

And I'd do it again.

where u serve? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

the military do have great potential, not just in blowing stuff up.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-14-2006, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:

A lot of us know what's going on, unfortunately not enough.

Take care http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A lot of what you think is going on is actualy just a smoke screen for what IS going on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

you didn't get that from me, right ?

LEBillfish
05-15-2006, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
A lot of what you think is going on is actualy just a smoke screen for what IS going on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

you didn't get that from me, right ?

room 101 for you..............

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-15-2006, 12:51 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

arcadeace
05-15-2006, 01:40 AM
You think its funny to snicker at? What is it you think I think is going on? And... tell me the real truth. You've graduated to 101, surely you can paint the real picture through the fog.

Taylortony
05-15-2006, 01:55 AM
I heard the only reason the Irish didn't declare war on the old USSR was they did research into it and found they didn't have enough room for all of the prisoners...........

Friendly_flyer
05-15-2006, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
no one is left who wants to it MUST be carried with you, and you must solicit others outside to take and read it under the condition it is to be passed on."...

That is a very good rule. My wife got a book in such a way a few weeks back. She has discovered she quite enjoy an author she had never heard about that way.

arcadeace
05-15-2006, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
I heard the only reason the Irish didn't declare war on the old USSR was they did research into it and found they didn't have enough room for all of the prisoners...........

So Tony, how does that apply to Sensie and my statement about typical? You are addressing me aren't you? This is Euro time don't be indirect mate, I'm an ok guy and really don't take this time serious. Maybe I shouldn't ask, I already know how you and feel about the US military, i mean you have a problem looking at attractive US women in uniform http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Anyway do you wanna enlighten me to the big picture or something?

WOLFMondo
05-15-2006, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
In my last 18 months of military service I was involved in 24 military actions.

1 involved a potential combat scenario though it wasn't supposed it. Just happened. The other 23 were humantarian relief missions. Missions that truly helped a lot of innocent people out of horrible situations and were completly ignored by the world press.

And I'd do it again.

What country are you from?

In the UK, the British Armys efforts and there portrayal in the news are always centred around there peace keeping and rebuilding efforts, usually for the UN (ignoring the offensive war in Iraq a few years back) so these humanitarian missions do get heard about. Maybe not always in the right place though.

Even today on the front page of the BBC news theres an article about the rebuilding efforts by British forces in Afghanistan.

raaaid
05-15-2006, 10:28 AM
interesting topic

i feel like someone is watching me, nananana

dont all religions agree that all your acts are being watched

i have the suspicious im in a kind of fake world where 1% of people are concursants and the other 99% are actors

so at this moment i would be on milky way tv with my thoughts subtitled

hehe am i paranoid

so if you think im saying nonsense maybe youre a concursant of the show

i would like it to believe it stronger because if being true there would be no horror in the world, all fake

sadly just my imagination shaping reality to fit me

raaaid
05-15-2006, 10:42 AM
someone mention 9-11 as an excuse for cuts in freedom like allowing these watching satellites

how did building nunber seven set on fire?

how did it collapse having an steel structure? (seen the burnt windsor in madrid?, steel structure buildings dont collapse however bad they burnt)

why was one of the floors hurricane protected?

im not saying osama didnt do it (or that he never left the cia)

i just say we shouldnt trust blindly what media tells, is better to think that to believe

LEBillfish
05-15-2006, 11:31 AM
lol...........did some of you even read the news report? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

russ.nl
05-15-2006, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
interesting topic


i have the suspicious im in a kind of fake world where 1% of people are concursants and the other 99% are actors



You're right that a lot of people are actors, but they are just afraid to be there selfs.

Lets not make this a 9-11 thread, tho it is fun.

Viper2005_
05-15-2006, 01:04 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#W..._Trade_Center_towers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#World_Trade_Center_towers)

You pays your money and you takes your choice I guess raaid...

However, given that people still argue about the death of JFK or the moon landings, personally I wouldn't bother arguing about this since you're very unlikely to obtain an answer any time soon!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-15-2006, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:
You think its funny to snicker at? What is it you think I think is going on? And... tell me the real truth. You've graduated to 101, surely you can paint the real picture through the fog.

I could tell you, but then I would probably have to kill you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

arcadeace
05-15-2006, 02:31 PM
geeze that's more lame than I was expecting? 101 enlightenment http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Capt.England
05-15-2006, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by djetz:
Not quite the same thing, but it reminds me of Harry Turtledove's "Worldwar" series:

***Quote***

The premise of the series is an alien invasion of Earth in the middle of World War II. The military invasion begins on or around May 30, 1942, but the aliens, who call themselves the Race, reached Earth orbit in December of 1941. Presumably, six months were spent making preparations for the attack.

Although the Race, a reptilian species, has the advantage of superior technology, their last information on humans was collected by a robotic probe during the 12th century. Their technology is only slightly ahead of what we have today: hydrogen based engines, holographic projectors, and cold sleep being among the technologies not in common use at the start of the 21st century. The "Lizards," as their human antagonists quickly dub them, are extremely surprised that mankind has progressed so far since their probe visited Earth. No species they have ever encountered has advanced so rapidly: they thought the toughest military force on the planet would still be Crusader knights on horses.

The narrative follows the intersecting fortunes of a large number of human and alien characters. Most notably the series depicts how the Axis and Allied powers must cooperate to fight the alien menace. A follow-up trilogy, Colonization, carries the story forward into a very different 1960s. The timeline ends with Homeward Bound.

***End quote***

I'm just reading Homeward Bound at the moment. Interesting. The first 4 are better than the follow-ups, but all are readable.

That sounds like the sort of thing I like! Does anyone know if you can get all the books in one volume? (I'm busy at the moment researching 70's punk clothes)

raaaid
05-15-2006, 02:52 PM
haha you are right i read the title of the article and jumped to post

its nice people like me has freedom for weird opinions like wikipedia shows

marc_hawkins
05-15-2006, 02:53 PM
doubleplusgood.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-15-2006, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:
geeze that's more lame than I was expecting? 101 enlightenment http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Well look here Ace, you claim you know, but in actual fact you only think you know. because if you knew what I knew you would know that it is pointless trying to get me to tell you what I know. Because I already knew you would ask me what I know and would therefore only get you to confirm it becuase otherwise you would know and not have to ask me what it is that I know. So let us agree that we both know what the other is talking about and that in the interests of public knowledge it is best left unsaid so that as few people as possible will actually know what is going on. Or are you only pretending to know ? In which case how can you know that I am not in fact only pretending to know what you know in order to get you to disclose what it is you think you actualy know ?

Is that better ?

Are you Ninja?

Taylortony
05-15-2006, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:

So Tony, how does that apply to Sensie and my statement about typical? You are addressing me aren't you? This is Euro time don't be indirect mate, I'm an ok guy and really don't take this time serious. Maybe I shouldn't ask, I already know how you and feel about the US military, i mean you have a problem looking at attractive US women in uniform http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Anyway do you wanna enlighten me to the big picture or something?

You have me at a total loss over this, was just trying to add a bit of old UK humour from a very old UK joke to such a serious thread...... was not directed at anyone.

arcadeace
05-15-2006, 03:17 PM
well there's a little fog I can respect, and not much of a superiority trip

I may not have responded even if you gave your reasons, its the same ole and this forum is worth cr@p. Just want it honest. For some, that's hard. That's what 101 should teach, but doesn't.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


and for you Tony, well then your post seemed so totally irrelevent. you need to be direct, and no more winks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Taylortony
05-15-2006, 03:38 PM
I will go stand in the corner http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif or as they say in Yorkshire at the foot of the stairs...........

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-15-2006, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:
well there's a little fog I can respect, and not much of a superiority trip

I may not have responded even if you gave your reasons, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



I knew you would say that. And my minor superiority is only feigned in response to your superior inferior superiority http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

arcadeace
05-15-2006, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
I will go stand in the corner http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif or as they say in Yorkshire at the foot of the stairs...........

i'm looking forward to a new you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Psst! Balrog,
Ask him what colour the boat house is...if he doesn't know, well... I'm sure you'll be descreet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

arcadeace
05-15-2006, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arcadeace:
well there's a little fog I can respect, and not much of a superiority trip

I may not have responded even if you gave your reasons, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



I knew you would say that. And my minor superiority is only feigned in response to your superior inferior superiority http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

a 101 grad... you know everything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

LEBillfish
05-15-2006, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:
I may not have responded even if you gave your reasons, its the same ole and this forum is worth cr@p. Just want it honest. For some, that's hard. That's what 101 should teach, but doesn't.

So you say, yet until you "know" for a fact, with all your heart, being and mind that 2+2=5, then all you need to know is.... "The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.".........What's your room 101?

http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

arcadeace
05-15-2006, 04:02 PM
tell us Leb, what do ya know? from a goddess its gotta be untouchable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif tell us... your big point?

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-15-2006, 04:05 PM
My room 101 is full of 'them' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Oh yeah and 102 is too noisy they never keep it down.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Rgr that Low got me balaclava, the squirrel is in assendance but the leaves in Gorky are only brown once a year.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I have my copy of Catcher in the Rye

LEBillfish
05-15-2006, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:
tell us Leb, what do ya know? from a goddess its gotta be untouchable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif tell us... your big point?


That there is hope http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

arcadeace
05-15-2006, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arcadeace:
tell us Leb, what do ya know? from a goddess its gotta be untouchable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif tell us... your big point?


That there is hope http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i could've said that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

WWSensei
05-15-2006, 04:18 PM
In reading back over my first post I can see it might look like I was trying to brag. That wasn't it. My ego is big enough not to need to stroke game forums to satisfy it.

Thanks to those that responded postively.

My point was by far and large my non-flying military experience was far more in the huamn relief/humantarian missions.

I should have been more clear. What the unit did was NOT special. It was their job and done every day. Was my way of saying that for every military operation you hear in the media there are probably 20 other non-military missions done every day that no one ever hears about.

Someone asked where/what I served. I was USAF initially as a Viper driver. When my unit was transferred to Aviano from Ramstein I opted to stay behind and join the 32nd Air Operations Group. We were primarily a NATO JFACC unit but since we could deploy anywhere in the world in 48 hours with full communications equipment we were often called on for various missions.

This ranged from famine relief operations throughout Africa (my primary experience) to earthquake relief in remote areas of Georgia (the country not the state) to flood evacuations in Thailand.

Many people recall operation SUPPORT HOPE the US conducted as part of the relief effort to Rwandan refugees when they fled to Zaire. When that operation and the UN finally arrived in July of 94 my unit had already been down there for nearly 4 weeks.

There were 325 of us trying to keep nearly a million people from dying from thirst alone. I no longer fear death because I've already seen hell.

Ever see what a pile of 10,000 dead bodies from cholera looks like? No? Good and fall to your knees and pray to their deity of your choice you never do. I still see them every night when I sleep.

Things like that happen every day, every week, every month and every year....and few ever know it. That's how it should be.

bazzaah2
05-15-2006, 04:23 PM
It's turtles, all the way down.

wayno7777
05-15-2006, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lodovik:
That SciFi story, by the way. Woudn't be by Ray Bradbury, is it?

All paperback once read, must be solicited to all here at the house, and if all have read it or no one is left who wants to it MUST be carried with you, and you must solicit others outside to take and read it under the condition it is to be passed on."....


If you ever get one that has a handwritten "K2" mid page, that was mine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is how I got my copy of Len Deighton's Fighter [The True Story of the Battle of Britain]. I think I was 16 at the time. I was looking over 1/72nd scale model kits a hobby shop in the mall when a guy came up to and asked me if I liked to read. I said yes and he gave me the paperback. He said that whenever he finishes a book, he gives it away. I myself have given few away. Anyway, you can send me one if you like....


ps. ~S~ WWSensei from a former M.A.S.T. crewchief

LEBillfish
05-15-2006, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arcadeace:
tell us Leb, what do ya know? from a goddess its gotta be untouchable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif tell us... your big point?


That there is hope http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i could've said that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then why'd you ask?

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-15-2006, 11:56 PM
I knew that would happen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

russ.nl
05-16-2006, 01:47 AM
@WWSensei

On behaf of the people of Rwandan and mankind thank you very much for your great things you have done.
I'm sorry that you had to see hell. It is something no man must see. Unfortunatly that is not possible in this world.
You say you don't fear death. You don't have to, you will go to heaven.

Think of the people you've helped and may you find peace and quite in you self.


The hero is one who kindles a great light in the world, who sets up blazing torches in the dark streets of life for men to see by.

arcadeace
05-16-2006, 03:16 AM
oh lol lebill why do you think? what baloney. didn't really know that's what yours was about? didn't you say it was for more reading or something? so when directly questioning you the 'truth' finally came out? When i read, many of your threads, i see one direction it all points... to you. i just don't see how accepting, how open, how caring for freedom, honor and human rights you are. so your "peace"... well like i said, that's what i want. tough to understand? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

i think Sensei's posts are the best thing coming out of an otherwise a bunch of mishmash, and feel-good "wow, another great one leb." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

what do you think?

LEBillfish
05-16-2006, 07:37 AM
I "think" I'm having a hard time understanding what you are saying.......

However I'll elucidate further for you as it is quite simple. No government is IMLTHO all about the people and not about their own power quite often taking on the attitude of "we know better being a special breed...Therefor must guide the people even against their will for their own good".....To naturally blatantly oppressive like Stazi supported governments.

1984 was simply a warning....Mild by todays standards. So by all rights most have good reason to always keep a watchful eye of their own governments. To date for the "most part" in the U.S., the government played their games, the people theirs, and as long as they did not conflict no problem......Yet as technology developed, really the "cost effective" ability to enact more controls, so it has been growing since the Clinton administration......So the citizenry, and the worlds peoples in general have been growing more justifiably concerned.

911 was an event not the point of this thread yet a milestone. In that at that point, some citizens point blank offered to give up their freedoms, their rights, clearly outlined in documents to "not be altered or bypassed"....Out of fear. So in kind those watchful as the Government became more bold, blatant and public could easily see with admitted proof that "their" fears were being realized as well.

However......The originating story I find encouraging. As here is a high ranking person who has the power to contibute to the fears of the "government fearful". Now do I believe he is as genuine or honest as he tries to portray?...No. YET, his statements of pride in his groups activities during national natural disasters, and touting how his staff come into his group WITHOUT preconceptions (hopefully old fears and hates).....Is if not encouraging, inspiring.

Hence the Sci-Fi story I posted as a "what if"....Combined it hopeful for all involved, as it hints at the possibility of such a worthy shift in activities or at least growth in that regard. More so, it grants hope in that it suggests natural balance between that which is intended to benefit mankind, and that meant to oppress it.......That struggle will ALWAYS be there as it is natural............Yet of late it has seemed to many to be one sided. The news story giving "Hope" that is is not, Sensei and others supporting it.

Perhaps you should consider what "That there is Hope" means in relation to the initiating post, before you dismiss it as simply a word.

Hope is a huge word, often everything, and when you have nothing else, enough. That explain it?

russ.nl
05-16-2006, 07:47 AM
Together with Georgeo you are one of the wiser americans uh I mean people http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif here on these forums.

arcadeace
05-16-2006, 09:47 AM
either i don't know what you're implying or may not care for your reasoning for the worlds peoples to be "justifiably concerned."

don't know what all these stated "rights and freedoms" are. out of fear? well for me, survival. after 911 with stated determination to further destroy us and presumably the most massive efforts to that end, not one further act of terrorism on our soil against our citizenry. had heard quite a while back about 100 attempts had been stopped.

for the originating story you find encouraging i don't find anything wrong with it either. now, you highly edited your original presentation of the sci-fi, that version got me wondering what you wanted to present and then, your final words, about bush. a different picture imo. different for others as well. like i said, honesty goes a long way, do you understand? that is my point.

i believe there is reason to be concerned about our freedoms and rights, from any administration in power, left or right, with tech increasing. but as far as the nsa... up to this point i can imagine how much they have helped track and prevent further mass murder. policies put in place by clinton, agreed upon by democrats and the ny times never blinked. tracking patterns, not listening in on millions of american conversations. hard to read the truth... that, is insidious and big brotherish no?

yes the article gives some hope. some. actually i am very sceptical about the future state of liberty and not as positive as you, probably more like your husband. i've read others with considerable authority elucidating on present concerns and much the press, and very much the anti-bush press has distorted, a lot for their own ideological and political ends. its not just government or military you know.

this is a discussion that can go on and on. if you initially gave the impression you have in this last post things would've been much different. my original response to sensei was judged in a fog. that's a foggy judgement. considering your original post many of his points meant a lot, i think.

look, as far as you and i we have very different personalities and that's what much of this is; for example you fancy yourself a teacher but, do not expect agreement, do not. you can accept this better now than before... always keep it in mind.

finally, whenever anyone starts a discussion with political implications he/she should be up front exactly how they believe. no inferences, no implications, no key words for emotionalism. i don't mind the discussions, i don't publicly or privately complain. most i don't participate. but i can still get pissed at members who want to make their point, their angle, jab, smear, and not be up front where they're coming from. if you are with your intentions, even if i disagree with your points, it should be a different story.

LEBillfish
05-16-2006, 10:19 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif uh...huh.

p.s.....I never edited the original post. Maybe you're confusing the links to 1984 as this slipped off track with one liner jokes.

In either case....I'm finding your posts very difficult to follow/understand. Sorry, my shortcoming not yours. Could you possibly restate your point directly and in brief?

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

arcadeace
05-16-2006, 10:32 AM
maybe i did confuse it, from another post. some of us drew very different implications from your intentions? not out for yourself and you are straight? well at least on this one... ok http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

slipBall
05-16-2006, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:
either i don't know what you're implying or may not care for your reasoning for the worlds peoples to be "justifiably concerned."

don't know what all these stated "rights and freedoms" are. out of fear? well for me, survival. after 911 with stated determination to further destroy us and presumably the most massive efforts to that end, not one further act of terrorism on our soil against our citizenry. had heard quite a while back about 100 attempts had been stopped.

for the originating story you find encouraging i don't find anything wrong with it either. now, you highly edited your original presentation of the sci-fi, that version got me wondering what you wanted to present and then, your final words, about bush. a different picture imo. different for others as well. like i said, honesty goes a long way, do you understand? that is my point.

i believe there is reason to be concerned about our freedoms and rights, from any administration in power, left or right, with tech increasing. but as far as the nsa... up to this point i can imagine how much they have helped track and prevent further mass murder. policies put in place by clinton, agreed upon by democrats and the ny times never blinked. tracking patterns, not listening in on millions of american conversations. hard to read the truth... that, is insidious and big brotherish no?

yes the article gives some hope. some. actually i am very sceptical about the future state of liberty and not as positive as you, probably more like your husband. i've read others with considerable authority elucidating on present concerns and much the press, and very much the anti-bush press has distorted, a lot for their own ideological and political ends. its not just government or military you know.

this is a discussion that can go on and on. if you initially gave the impression you have in this last post things would've been much different. my original response to sensei was judged in a fog. that's a foggy judgement. considering your original post many of his points meant a lot, i think.

look, as far as you and i we have very different personalities and that's what much of this is; for example you fancy yourself a teacher but, do not expect agreement, do not. you can accept this better now than before... always keep it in mind.

finally, whenever anyone starts a discussion with political implications he/she should be up front exactly how they believe. no inferences, no implications, no key words for emotionalism. i don't mind the discussions, i don't publicly or privately complain. most i don't participate. but i can still get pissed at members who want to make their point, their angle, jab, smear, and not be up front where they're coming from. if you are with your intentions, even if i disagree with your points, it should be a different story.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Well said