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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 10:44 AM
From Oleg's Readyroom
"From the last Friday it is in beta test.

AI FW200 there replaced by AI C-47. AI FW200 will go on CD. Other - as promised.

Currently the pilot who flew P-51 (modern pilot) begun to test it in our add-on.
As soon he will say Ok - it will be released"

The part about a real life P51 pilot testing the addon is interesting.Seems that the addon is close to release /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 10:44 AM
From Oleg's Readyroom
"From the last Friday it is in beta test.

AI FW200 there replaced by AI C-47. AI FW200 will go on CD. Other - as promised.

Currently the pilot who flew P-51 (modern pilot) begun to test it in our add-on.
As soon he will say Ok - it will be released"

The part about a real life P51 pilot testing the addon is interesting.Seems that the addon is close to release /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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10-27-2003, 10:56 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 11:01 AM
C-47? cant remember what the crap that is???and the FW-200??? the P-51 tetesed by real piolit yeh see my post in ORR to see my excitementhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 11:07 AM
Russian designation Li-2, American civillian DC-3, gooney bird, what ever you call it.... I love that old bird!

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 11:14 AM
Cajun76 wrote:
- Russian designation Li-2, American civillian DC-3,
- gooney bird, what ever you call it.... I love that
- old bird!

is that the C-47?

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 11:18 AM
The C-47 is the Li-2, sans gun turrets.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 11:20 AM
Cool, maybe the Fw-200 is going to be on CD to be flyable. I'm sure I've seen shots of the interior somewhere.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 11:26 AM
Nothing against the C-47, but I would have liked the FW-200 more... we need some more heavy bombers.

I just hope this beta testing won't take much longer now.


Anyway, all in all good to have some new info, THANKS!



- Future

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 11:30 AM
This part does not suprise me in the least. Oleg is obsessed with accuracy. He told me last March he was going to have a P-51 pilot test out the P-51. I just wish he had contact with a P-47 pilot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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StG77_Sturm wrote:
-
- The part about a real life P51 pilot testing
- the addon is interesting.Seems that the addon is
- close to release

No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 11:49 AM
hmm ripped off again, dropping a new plane for something essentially thats already in the game

guess they didnt finish the fw200 flight mod in time

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 12:00 PM
WTE_Konigwolf wrote:
- hmm ripped off again,
-

Poor choice of words? After all, this is the free add-on/patch.
I agree though that it's a shame that we won't see the Fw200 until later, but the C-47 is going to be needed for the Normandy map.
There aren't many planes that can be legitimately used with it if you are looking to fly the RAF. No Spit, Typhoon, Tempest, Mosquito etc.
Oh well, good things will come to those that wait - I hope!
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Zayets
10-27-2003, 12:12 PM
zodicus wrote:
- C-47? cant remember what the crap that is???and the
- FW-200??? the P-51 tetesed by real piolit yeh see my
- post in ORR to see my excitement/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
-
-
-

Did anyone noticed how anal become ppl when release date approaches?

PS: C-47 is the most beautiful plane even nowadays.If there's something I don't like is because is AI.I wouldlike this transportbird to be flyable.And yes , THIS is the plane who won the war.ignorant!

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 12:12 PM
Nope not a poor choice, when i got il2 (original) all i expected was 1 or 2 patches to fix any possible compatability issues, and we end up with free planes, so when i purchased FB i purchased it expecting free planes, i think alot of other migrators did as well, so yes ripped off, and as a non yank i think giving us the normandy maps with no extra non american aircraft is disappointing

Konigwolf

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Message Edited on 10/28/0308:32PM by Tully__

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 12:14 PM
Its makes me wonder about the real pilot flying the p51d and what he says if its realistic it will not be very competitive agains the 190s yaks la7 mig3u p39. Anyone know if any pilots with experience tested the models of those birds?

I remember seeing a video of a finnish b239 pilot testing the b239 for il2fb which was a great video, in 1.0 it was very accurate but now it flies like the better then they should be crop, but fits into the game to be competitive against the i16 and i153 before it stood zero chance.

To me the p40 seems to have the most realistic flight model in the game even tho its sea level speed is lower then it should be and its roll rate is slower then it should be as for all the other I dont know but from seeing hours of guncam and video of them flying basic and advance flight manuevers they look so wrong some of the manuevers the superroll fishflopping extremely low energy bleed planes can pull off and the dont seem to be effected but stick pressures.


Thx for the update sturm, been waiting so long for new flyable aircraft 1 month 6 months dont even matter anymore. Been waiting for 2yrs + seeing development shots from il2center.com which has moved to www.netwings.org (http://www.netwings.org)





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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 12:19 PM
WTE_Konigwolf wrote:
- Some stuff


LMAO, You've got issues dude. Lighten up. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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Zayets
10-27-2003, 12:22 PM
here we go!hope Tully's lurkin' around...

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 12:29 PM
Nope no issues just opinions
S!
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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 12:58 PM
I see people who don't know what the Skytrain is, and people who think the FW 200 is a bomber, and still call a rip-off a very much comprehensive FREE add-on.

Disgusting.

A.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 01:12 PM
I've got a friend who feels much as Konigwolf does. I asked him a simple question: Where does it say free planes and upgrades on the box? Enjoy the game, be patient, and have fun. No use getting all worked up, it won't help the game, and it won't be good for your state of mind. Now where did I park my Jug?............

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 01:55 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:

-
- I remember seeing a video of a finnish b239 pilot
- testing the b239 for il2fb which was a great video,
- in 1.0 it was very accurate but now it flies like
- the better then they should be crop, but fits into
- the game to be competitive against the i16 and i153
- before it stood zero chance.
-
- To me the p40 seems to have the most realistic
- flight model in the game even tho its sea level
- speed is lower then it should be and its roll rate
- is slower then it should be as for all the other I
- dont know but from seeing hours of guncam and video
- of them flying basic and advance flight manuevers
- they look so wrong some of the manuevers the
- superroll fishflopping extremely low energy bleed
- planes can pull off and the dont seem to be effected
- but stick pressures.

In a way Brewster was more realistic in Fb 1.0, meaning it bleeded Energy like hell.. but then again it had very ineffective .50cals against those I-16 and I-153 and Yaks.. now you can easily shoot down I-16 .. and you can turn them.. which is indeed unrealistic.. but then again Brewster is missing 30kmh topspeed now so it kinda comprimsises for that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Actually none of the planes in FB bleeds Energy realistic, so you can't blame brewster for that. I regret too that, P40 misses some top speed.. that takes away its effectiviness..


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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 01:58 PM
I dont think free add-ons are a rip off, that's for sure, but I have to agree with him, the P51 is ugly, but not nearly as ugly as the P38! The P47 is so ugly she is kinda cute. She (P47) also has personality; kinda like that fat chick your buddy set you up with in high school so he could date her good looking friend. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

You cant win a war with a fighter. You have to put boots on the ground, and that's what the C-47 did! Just like the Spit and the Hurricane didnt win the BoB. It was won due to Germany's inability to invade... Thank God for the English Channel, and thank Oleg for a FREE add-on!

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:14 PM
Thanks for the update Sturm, looking forward to it.

Some stuff removed


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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:18 PM
Hi Vipez,

Would you care to say how fast you think the Buffalo should go, versus how fast you are able to make it go in FB?




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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:28 PM
Wait a minute..... the FW-200 was NOT a bomber? What the heck was it? And if it's not going to be a bomber in FB, what reason is there to put such a big target into the game?

- Future

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:33 PM
clint-ruin wrote:
- Hi Vipez,
-
- Would you care to say how fast you think the Buffalo
- should go, versus how fast you are able to make it
- go in FB?


I don't know about speed issues, but the Finns all say that the really overdone area of the Brewster is it's climb rate.

The P40 remains woefully undermodeled in terms of speed and roll rate.

Hopefully these issues will be addressed in 1.2

The C47 is a GREAT adition.

The FW200, while beautiful and one of my favorite larege AC of WW2, is far less significant than the C47. Not much need for a Maritime patrol aircraft in FB is there?

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:35 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- This part does not suprise me in the least. Oleg is
- obsessed with accuracy. He told me last March he
- was going to have a P-51 pilot test out the P-51. I
- just wish he had contact with a P-47 pilot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
-
- Gib
-


Go read the manual. Doesn't look too promising does it?

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Zayets
10-27-2003, 02:40 PM
ElAurens wrote:
- The C47 is a GREAT adition.


Yes , but make it flyable.I'm bored moving the mud and Ii suck as a fighter pilot. Maybe the IAR will stimulate me to learn some more stuffs , but I'm kinda sticking to the heavy category. I want too fly transport/supply missions and so on. War was not limited to furballs and bombing runs.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:42 PM
Sounds great, looking forward to it.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:42 PM
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/modern_flight/c47.jpg

C-47.......
I am guessing that a lot of the Mustang complaints will be rendered moot by the fact that a real Muistang pilot willbew approving the FMs on this plane which IMO is better than all the charts, graphs and spec sheets in the world.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:48 PM
Future- wrote:
- Wait a minute..... the FW-200 was NOT a bomber? What
- the heck was it? And if it's not going to be a
- bomber in FB, what reason is there to put such a big
- target into the game?


As ElAurens wrote, it was a long range sea recon pleane, beside its original purpose, a transport plane, and beside being the Hitler personal transport plane, which, if you like, could allow some "what if" scenarios...

What reasons are there to put such big targets like the ME giants in the game then, if not for historical accuracy and variety? IL-2 truly shines especially for this reason, in my opinion.

Aero out

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:50 PM
Fehler wrote:
- You cant win a war with a fighter. You have to put
- boots on the ground, and that's what the C-47 did!
- Just like the Spit and the Hurricane didnt win the
- BoB. It was won due to Germany's inability to
- invade... Thank God for the English Channel, and
- thank Oleg for a FREE add-on!

I guess having like.....15 minutes of fuel for fighting didnt help the Luftwaffe either.... I actually remember seeing something that said there were several plots very early on to kill Hitler because from the start most of his generals knew he was a tactical idiot even if he was a mesmerizing orator and crafty politician. They just had to go along to stay alive since you never knew who was loyal to whom, who you could trust. If Hitler had allowed the developement of synthetic fuel and jet aircraft to proceed at an accelerated pace we might all be a part of the 3rd Riech now, fortunately he was shortsighted almost to the point of being myopic and lost the war....at a horrible cost.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 02:56 PM
Bearcat99 wrote:
- I am guessing that a lot of the Mustang complaints
- will be rendered moot by the fact that a real
- Muistang pilot willbew approving the FMs on this
- plane which IMO is better than all the charts,
- graphs and spec sheets in the world.


Read the game manual.

A P-47 pilot tested its FM in FB. He's even quoted in the manual.

People will whine no matter what. Its the nature of sim junkies.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 03:00 PM
I hope the pilot is not whiner. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

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Zayets
10-27-2003, 03:04 PM
Yeah,is for that I never whine about FMs. I'm an ignorant regarding these.For me , if they fly like this in the game then ... they fly like this.Trying to stay alive. That's it.

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fluke39
10-27-2003, 03:12 PM
TooCooL34 wrote:
- I hope the pilot is not whiner. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


on the contrary - i hope he whines until the FM is how it should be /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


i for one am happy with the forthcoming add-on - even though the C-47 is effectively in the game already (albeit with a turret) the additon of B17's P51's and the french maps (and also the jap planes) are going to extend the games scope nicely.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 03:13 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- Its makes me wonder about the real pilot flying the
- p51d and what he says if its realistic it will not
- be very competitive agains the 190s yaks la7 mig3u
- p39. Anyone know if any pilots with experience
- tested the models of those birds?

Well, thinking back to the days of the original IL-2, there were several WW2 pilots who had been involved as advisors as the game was develped. At least one was a German who had flown Bf109/FW-190 (amongst others) and there was an American as well. I would be more specfic, but I cannot locate my IL-2 manual, which contained the names of the WW2 advisors and their "fields of expertise". So the answer to your question could be yes.


Anyway, wheather it takes 2 days or 2 weeks, 1.2 should be well worth the wait /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 03:21 PM
what reason is there to put such a big target into the game


So I can hit something!


Its really difficult to shoot all these itty bitty fighters and Im looking forward to a big thing.

Thank you once again Oleg and 1C, Im delighted whatever you add to this game.



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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 03:28 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen:

I am from the CFS2 Community, where Microsoft never patched anything and their attention to accuracy leaves much to be desired. Please count your blessings and offer a humble thanks to Oleg.


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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 03:42 PM
The Fw200 was a pretty good airliner, and an adequate but inferior bomber. Germany didn't have any long range bombers/maritime raider aircraft. The Fw200 had about 1000 mile range if I recall correctly. The problem was it was very fragile, and could not perform evasive manuevers as it's wings failed when stressed.

It did have a good amount of defensive guns of good caliber if I recall (13.5mm and 20mm). They better model it's fragility, because if I see one standing on it's wing in a 3g turn I'll...


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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 03:43 PM
Ahh excellent news indeed. Having a pilot test the P-51 should be a good move although as long as the plane remains upto the standards of the others I'll be happy. Here's hoping anyways...actually I'm expecting a much faster P-40 so if thats what happens, I'll be happy.

C-47 sounds like a good addition. The FW200 was supposed to be a flyable plane and perhaps the time is being spent making sure that it happens that way. I'll gladly wait for it there. Having the Dakota means we can do single player missions with paradrops into enemy territory.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 03:49 PM
Alright, got it. FW-200 will be some nice recon bird. And if the gunners arent asleep half the flight like onboard the He-111 sometimes, it even might be fun just to take the FW-200 up as some kind of "gunship". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

@ Zayets: Why dont you just fly the C-47 from externals? Sure, it would be nice to have a cockpit, but planes like the Pe-8 or the BF-110 have proven that you can have fun with a plane, even if the cockpit is missing and the FM isn't ... apropriate.
The B-17 will be released as an ai plane too, but that won't stop us bomber fans. We will take it to the skies, with or without cockpit.
And thx to Slammin, there'll be at least one hot server in HL where we can do this.

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- Future

Zayets
10-27-2003, 03:57 PM
VW-IceFire wrote:
Having the Dakota
- means we can do single player missions with
- paradrops into enemy territory.
-
-
- Excellent!

Except lowering the fps I don't see any use of the paratroops in IL2FB.There's an urgent need to include a trigger similar to reckon target.If troops were succesfuly deployed the mission succesful. Having the planes at the are and not releasing the troops is pretty ... boring? One will say , that's enough for me , but then I ask : why load them with paratroops? Load them with bombs , this way you can knock out some ground targets? No?Is a nice sight to see those chutes opening but seems that AA has a real problem with them since they will kill'em all no matter if they're in clouds or if is night.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 06:10 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
-
- To me the p40 seems to have the most realistic
- flight model in the game even tho its sea level
- speed is lower then it should be and its roll rate
- is slower then it should be as for all the other I
- dont know but from seeing hours of guncam and video
- of them flying basic and advance flight manuevers
- they look so wrong some of the manuevers the
- superroll fishflopping extremely low energy bleed
- planes can pull off and the dont seem to be effected
- but stick pressures.


Agreed

Its a Video game now lead not a sim.


Sims are too hard people dont buy sims as much as they buy video games /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



I dont know if you rember but 1.1B was a great patch much more realistic & much more competitive and hard for bolth sides now its a vid game again maybe 1.2 will restore 1.1b former flight model glory we can only hope

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 06:27 PM
If I understand correctly, the 1.2 patch is intended to be the "final" correction of the various a/c FM's and ANY free new a/c is greatly appreciated. Since this is the final FM version I'm patient to wait and hope we get a product that will provide both realism and balance between axis and allied. I do agree that the 1.1b patch had poth of these charictoristics.

The pay for add-on CD, well there again, patients is a virtue as the more time there is alloted to its production the greater the chance that individuals will be able to complete their projects before the deadline. I realize there is a "race to the finish" going on and since the is the LAST update for FB to be issued all I can do is wait it out.

Mtn.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 06:33 PM
Just saw a thing on the History channel about the axis planes.....Unless they got it wrong from what I understood there were few FW-200's, the inspiration for their use being the Japanese using one which inspired the Germans to again, had a very very light bombload, wings so fragile they would even colapse while it was sitting on the ground and was used only to look for convoys of ships to guide the wolfpacks.

Ubi/Maddox can add what they want it's their sim, though some planes like FW-200 & the Starfighter (post WWII jet unless I'm mistaken) I don't really understand. They either were never used or so rare I don't get it other then a novelty aspect which is fine.

Personally (like my opinion really matters) I'd rather see planes like the Typhoon and some improved ground graphics considering all seasons and types of terrain. Oh well.

All in all I'm very pleased, no gripes here.

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Buzz_25th
10-27-2003, 06:37 PM
Lets hope the real pilot doesn't say the P-51 sucks. We'll be waiting forever.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 06:40 PM
Thanks for the news update Sturm /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

To the people complaining about the Fw200 being included, why don't you complain about the MiG3U?(Only 6 were made operational)


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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 06:43 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Lets hope the real pilot doesn't say the P-51 sucks.
- We'll be waiting forever.
-

No doubt. I just want that great visibility... i don't care how "inaccurate" it is.

If its a fat dog like the p-47, fine. Its gotten to the point where I'd just like to see delivery of the damned plane... to hell with how it performs.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 06:54 PM
Ripped off?....Well, IL2 and FB have been the best flight sims I have flown (no contest)..all around excellence. I have gotten more than my money's worth out of this series and to have free addon's is just another plus so I sure won't be bxxxhing about not getting all the aircraft I would like to see....I just hope the support continues and I will be happy to pay for additonal add-ons that bring more aircraft and features.
I love supporting quality.....there is so little of it out there.
Bring on BoB.....

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 07:07 PM
I'm not optimist if we speak about FM/DM in future patch 1.2

Look what said Oleg Maddox about changes in FM in 1.2:

Here is link:

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=Olegmaddoxreadyroom&id=zudoc


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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 07:52 PM
No complaint about the FW-200 Kondor, just passing along what I "heard" as in saw on TV about it. Note the end of my post, I'm very happy with this product be it the out of the box version through the updates. As to the Mig I have heard nothing about it so can't comment....

You'll note I keep saying heard, as I doubt many of us here if any at all know for sure. We can even spout off factory numbers and even enemy test numbers, yet IMLTHO most of that even is propaganda either to get the Governments to buy a design or discredit the enemy and build up ones self.

Naturally no Government though would lie to us... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 08:01 PM
Great news! Only that... we have an AI C-47 yet. They call it Li-2. Put it no ammo and USAAF skin and... voil√ . Put it a RAF skin, and you have a Dakota. A civilian skin and it's a DC-3. It is in the game yet. What are they gonna include? An USAAF skin and guns removed?

Well, a gift is a gift. But it's like being presented a tie and a pair of socks... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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10-27-2003, 08:02 PM
clint-ruin wrote:
- Hi Vipez,
-
- Would you care to say how fast you think the Buffalo
- should go, versus how fast you are able to make it
- go in FB?


According FiAF Brewster test flights:

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Real Brewster yellow line, others from Il-2 compare. Ju-88 is there to give a hint how fast I-16 should be. Climb is way too fast, but then again, it is that for most planes in 1.11. I-16 were pretty equal climbers for instance. In other factors like turn time Brewster is fairly realistic. There were some discussion about E-bleed problems, but I think it is not quite that simple. At least it performs close to specs not including the climb.

Sources:
Ju-88 A-4: Raunio Jukka, Lent√¬§j√¬§n N√¬§k√¬∂kulma IV: Test flight of Jk-268
Brewster: Raunio Jukka, Lent√¬§j√¬§n N√¬§k√¬∂kulma II: Test flight of BW-366
In game performance: Il-2 compare 2.0


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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 08:04 PM
StG77_Sturm wrote:
- Currently the pilot who flew P-51 (modern pilot)
- begun to test it in our add-on.
- As soon he will say Ok - it will be released"
-
- The part about a real life P51 pilot testing
- the addon is interesting.

God.. please tell me they didnt get Richard Ordway as the *real* pilot!

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 09:03 PM
Lol. I doubt it. They will ignore this fact and complain anyways. Luftwaffa if its good, US if its bad. Its just how the forums work, reguardless of fact.

Gib

Bearcat99 wrote:
- I am guessing that a lot of the Mustang complaints
- will be rendered moot by the fact that a real
- Muistang pilot willbew approving the FMs on this
- plane which IMO is better than all the charts,
- graphs and spec sheets in the world.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 09:13 PM
I wonder how many Gs this real pilot has pulled in a real P-51, how many times he stalled it, spun it, and how many 20mm cannon shot he absorbed in it.

Actually, though, I think having a real pilot with 51 experience test it is a great idea, and an example of Oleg going the extra yard to try for realism. But the "on the edge" performance will still largely be guesswork, I would guess.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 09:19 PM
I must say, very good point. From my understanding, every pilot "fly's on the edge" when he is learning his aircraft. In WWII pilot training fils, they force stalls (high speed, low speed, and no power) to give the pilots a feel for the edge and how to recover it. Reading modern pilot's story's they often find the edge even on the first flight. They take it to a good altitude and stall it in differant ways to learn recovery, and how to keep from stalling. Learning it up high and much better then learning it down low http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But for the DM, I guess its up to wwII pilot accounts, and a general knolege of WWII aircraft construction.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 09:30 PM
Kwiatos wrote:
- I'm not optimist if we speak about FM/DM in future
- patch 1.2
-
- Look what said Oleg Maddox about changes in FM in
- 1.2:
-
- Here is link:
-
- <a
- href="http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-
- topic.asp?name=Olegmaddoxreadyroom&id=zudoc"
- target=_blank>http://forums.ubi.com/messages/messa
- ge_view-topic.asp?name=Olegmaddoxreadyroom&id=zudo
- c</a> -
-
-
- I'm very unhappy about these /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
-
-

Great, let me guess what he meant about slight modifications: Difference between G2 and G6 is lessened (as is should be), -but by cutting performance and agility from G2... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Maybe even adding that great 1.11 auto-prop from Emils and Frierichs to Gustavs too. That should teach LW boys not to whine any more.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 09:33 PM
Just another thought, whiners are an essential part of any game forum, il2 forums are far from unique. And just think what would happen without them, everything would be so much different and exactly in positive way.

A website with C47 info.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/modern_flight/mf3.htm

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 02:59 AM
Not compaining at all here!! But I don't understand adding a C-47 when we got the Russian version from the start, basically the same thing. So it's nothing to get excited about. But nothing to complain about either. Can take it or leave it, but being free helps.

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 11:43 AM
oh give us the C-47 please we need it so bad.
Can't wait to fly this bird and do amasing things with it.
It shurly can outrun, outdive and outturn any LW fighter this is a must to be in....

this is bull"tihs"!

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 11:59 AM
Yeah I also like boring 2 or 3 hours missions, dropping paras in complete save airspace and return to base without seen a single tracer. Yes the C-47 is anabsolute must. Much more inportant than a FW200./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 12:17 PM
Concering the Mustang, just to get the excitement a little bit in perspective: RL Pilots participating in the developement of a game doesn't neccessarily mean a damn thing. Or else Novalogic's sims would be out on top regarding realism. Just look back in Flightsim History. It depends on what the developers actually obey from what those pilots told them. Further more, if I understood it correctly, the Mustang Pilot is a current one, flying a Warbird Mustang. Well, I'm pretty sure today's Warbirds pilots don't fly those expensive crates in a manner they would have done 60 years ago in a World War...

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 01:28 PM
a C-47 as a Gunship would be cool...but ok, that was another period...

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 01:59 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- Yeah I also like boring 2 or 3 hours missions,
- dropping paras in complete save airspace and return
- to base without seen a single tracer. Yes the C-47
- is an absolute must. Much more inportant than a
- FW200

So 12 hours droning over the sea only to return to your point of departure having seen nothing but waves is your idea of fun?! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I do agree that adding a C-47 to a game that already has the Li-2 is rather academic, but hell, it's free so I'll just say thanks anyway. No doubt there'll be a lot more "yeehaa yea the C-47!" before the add-on, but after the add-on you'll never see one.

I'm looking forward to the 1.2 patch bit much more than the add-on bit.


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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 09:40 PM
Waiting around for a live P51 pilot to test fly the bird is no fun but it's a lot better than waiting for Oleg to find the kamikaze pilot to test the Zero.

"Nothing difficult is ever easy"

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 10:54 PM
A live Kamikaze pilot is a BAD Kamikaze pilot.

Gib

buz13 wrote:
- Waiting around for a live P51 pilot to test fly the
- bird is no fun but it's a lot better than waiting
- for Oleg to find the kamikaze pilot to test the
- Zero.
-
- "Nothing difficult is ever easy"



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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 11:01 PM
Gibb made a funny /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 11:41 PM
C47 is fine, iam sure it will be a nice target for some Mk108 or Mk103s...

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 11:47 PM
buz13 wrote:
- Waiting around for a live P51 pilot to test fly the
- bird is no fun but it's a lot better than waiting
- for Oleg to find the kamikaze pilot to test the
- Zero.
-
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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 12:10 AM
Oh, ah, the C-47. They're gonna give this AI plane... again. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

It's like that true story of a great Spanish playwriter, Jacinto Benavente. One day and other he was visited and bothered by an amateur writer who wanted him to read his new play. Finally, he agreed to do it, and found it was a copy of many situations in many plays that were being staged those days.

After having reading the manuscript, he gave the amateur his opinion: 'It's superb, magnificent.'

So the young one asked: 'But, do you think they will like it?'

And he answered: 'Of course! THEY HAVE ALWAYS LIKED IT...'

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 12:35 AM
So it seems yet again, (no real suprise) that the Multiplayer Community is still being deniged any prospect of a Modern Multi Engine Allied Bomber as fliable.

Once again, game balance is totally ignored and the expansion pack (which i hear isnt due now till after xmas.) continues to deprive the online community or any Modern Allied bombers.

You know you can have the stupid P51! I am so sick of hearing about it.

Sure i want to fly it, but do we "need" it? Online Pilots are going to flying TB3's over Normandy ROFLMAO! AI C47 instead of AIFW, no offence but so what? It's still only AI it's not like we get to fly it.

What we NEED is a half decent Allied bomber thats FLYABLE! And we don't get one in 1.2 Patch, we probably wont get it in the expansion and after the expansion don't expect much of anything cause developers will no doubt be doing BOB.

So will we ever see a Fliable Allied Bomber or worth? Or will Ubi continue to pander to a bunch of over fed, over paid over sexed americans who want thier P51.

All this time for the P51 what a joke.





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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 12:49 AM
I dunno, in all fairness, I feel ripped off too...

I bought FB because I wanted to fly Modern Multi Engine Bombers, particularly allied ones.

I read all this mazing emphisis on the P51 and I feel ripped off because Ubi are "still" ignoring the issue of game balance.

lol i mean think about it, p51's escourting TB3's over normandy LOL LOL LOL SOB.... it's sad ... Who cares about AI Bomber additions it's not like you can fly them.

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 01:14 AM
Were on the game box did it say modern multi-engine bombers? Bombers take 4-10X the time and resources then a standard fighter, so its very hard to put in many. Currently, there are no modern multi-engine bombers complete as flyable. I hope there are some soon. The B-24, B-25, A-26 and B-26 are all in the process of being developed and should be released some time next year. Most flyable.

Gib

WTE_Tigger wrote:
- I dunno, in all fairness, I feel ripped off too...
-
- I bought FB because I wanted to fly Modern Multi
- Engine Bombers, particularly allied ones.
-
- I read all this mazing emphisis on the P51 and I
- feel ripped off because Ubi are "still" ignoring the
- issue of game balance.
-
- lol i mean think about it, p51's escourting TB3's
- over normandy LOL LOL LOL SOB.... it's sad ... Who
- cares about AI Bomber additions it's not like you
- can fly them.
-
- my 2c
-
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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 02:08 AM
One of the biggest inovations in FB was the inclusion of fliable multi emgine bombers, yet they have recieved little attention (other than from 3rd party developers thank god for them!)

I know they take up more resources, and as a graphic artist I can appreciate that, truly I can. But it's an area that has been neglected by the official developers.

I mean really we had the external modelling done for a multitude of multi engine soviet bombers in the original IL2 rather than waist time with the obsolete and defunct TB3 shouldnt Ubi have had the forsight to do the internal work on one of these existing aircraft and at least then have ensured that the multi player community had at least 1 multi engine bomber of worth on the allied side?

When I read about the effort going into getting yet another fighter (which in it's own way I do appreciate) it's maddening to see the Bomber aspect of the FB Community going hungry while fighter jocks get to feast.

Your news about whats eventually comming is good news and I am full of praise for those 3rd party folks who are putting in the enourmous effort.

All this taken into consideration, I still feel that it's one area of what is otherwise the best F/SIM on the market, that has been overlooked or forgotten and sorley neglected.

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 02:22 AM
Yeah Gib....but they do have a valid point...even if they are IMO expressing it the wrong way. TB3's being escourted over western europe by US & GB fighters just dont seem right. Our 3rd party guys are doing a great job & we're glad to have them. I understand that the b-17 pits are HUGE project. But at the same time, it would be nice if the dev team could take the time to do the B-17's interior. I mean...we realy need an element of balance here. In all fairness. the HE-111 is already compleate & there are more Axis bombers in the works 3rd party than i can count. & as much as i'm going to love flying the Catlina....i dont think it saw a lot of action in normandy.(we're moving to the pacific after the new maps so we'll be using it a bunch there) Every other flight Sim
on the market has a b-17. & FB is much better than all the rest. So why should this plane be overlooked. Fennec did an outstanding job on this plane. It's a shame it'll only be AI. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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10-29-2003, 02:47 AM
Sorry if i come across ill tempered, but the frustration comes through sometimes, I am really quite amicable most days /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Just becoming fed up with seeing the carrot dangled infront of me then finding out it's just another turnip.

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