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F19_Ob
12-20-2004, 05:31 AM
Some of U might enjoy this read since bomber dogfights are pretty rare in history and in the litterature.
http://www.yarchive.net/mil/bomber_duel.html

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woofiedog
12-20-2004, 05:54 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Wow! Great story F19_Ob... sounds like a Movie Trailer from Hollywood.
Thank's

VVS-Manuc
12-20-2004, 06:02 AM
The good guys won http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

woofiedog
12-20-2004, 06:12 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif Roger That!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
12-20-2004, 06:14 AM
Great story and as I was curious about heavy bombers having dive breaks I thought I would check it out. She sure was a big old bird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/luftwaffe/bomber/he177/he177.html

woofiedog
12-20-2004, 06:22 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Must have been one Hec of a ride with that Crate put into a dive. They must have made those dives rather on the shallow side.

VVS-Manuc
12-20-2004, 06:29 AM
The RLM demanded dive bombing capabilities from the He 177. It was one of the reasons for the difficult and slow development of this bomber

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
12-20-2004, 06:40 AM
I believe it was the first aircraft to fire Guided missiles though so that would be its main claim to fame. Although If I was a tanker and saw one of those monsters bearing down on me with a 77mm cannon my throat would be pretty dry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

F19_Orheim
12-20-2004, 06:40 AM
Wow, now I am even more eager to set up a map on F19_Cr@pGalore with Tb3 vs Tb3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WOLFMondo
12-20-2004, 06:46 AM
What about B25 vs He111?

Theres a similar tale of a Short Sunderland going at it with several Ju88's.

woofiedog
12-20-2004, 06:54 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I believe that the He-111 had the claim for the first Missile Launch in action.
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/luftwaffe/bomber/he111/he111data.html


http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/wunderwaffen/missile/hs293/hs293n4.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/wunderwaffen/missile/hs293/hs293.html

The Italian BB going down after being hit by Fritz X
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/wunderwaffen/missile/fritzx/fritzxn2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/wunderwaffen/missile/fritzx/fritzx.html

ImpStarDuece
12-20-2004, 07:18 AM
That is a monsterously cool story. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif The bravery of the guys on both sides must of been intense. Imagine trading broadsides in two of the heaviest bombers on the Western Front. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I can just see the belly, side and top turrets of the B-17 swivelling parallel to the fuselage and swapping fire with the Greif. Tracers swarming between the two bombers like kamikazie fireflies, the ripping sounds of hundreds of rounds passing through sheet metal, the stench of cordite and blood in the cockpit.

Then the long agonising journey home for the wounded Fort, the sound of engines being reved to change direction and the slowly fading pounding of adrenalin inside the heads if the crew. Intense. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Udidtoo
12-20-2004, 07:30 AM
As much as I enjoy assuming the role of a pilot in the virtual skies its stories like this that help me relise how fortuante I am not to have been there for the real deal.

Tradeing MG salvos over the North Atlantic with Plexiglass and sheet metal for cover is not my ideal way to spend an afternoon.

S'to the real men who were brave/unfortunate enough to be there.

F19_Orheim
12-20-2004, 07:43 AM
I agree udidtoo, when one reads a story like this it sometimes amazes me how easily and without any paraphrases, the author reports a casuality.... makes it even more obvious how fragile life is.. and how low it is valued in War time. I too am very happy not to have been there..... It also makes you admire the courage of the men who was there

LeadSpitter_
12-20-2004, 07:53 AM
anyone know the date of the incident so we can lookup a combat report if its true. Seems to me like a story teller found the good newsgroups http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SkyPiggies
12-20-2004, 07:55 AM
Theres a similar tale of a Short Sunderland going at it with several Ju88's.

Full story here (http://www.btinternet.com/~mmartins/FlyingPorky.htm).

The reason the German airmen were so persistent is that they believed Winston Churchill was aboard the Sunderland (he was visiting North Africa at the time)

berg417448
12-20-2004, 08:15 AM
Shootout Between an H6K and a B-17:



http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/stories/h6ksty.html

F19_Ob
12-20-2004, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
anyone know the date of the incident so we can lookup a combat report if its true. Seems to me like a story teller found the good newsgroups http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi leaddie...the date in the article was Feb. 20, 1944
I dont have the bodily stamina or knowhow to check it up but if u can, please do, and report back.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
12-20-2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by woofiedog:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I believe that the He-111 had the claim for the first Missile Launch in action.
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/luftwaffe/bomber/he111/he111data.html


http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/wunderwaffen/missile/hs293/hs293n4.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/wunderwaffen/missile/hs293/hs293.html

The Italian BB going down after being hit by Fritz X
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/wunderwaffen/missile/fritzx/fritzxn2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/wunderwaffen/missile/fritzx/fritzx.html <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol nice find woofie I admit my statement was based on hearsay. I stand corrected http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

heheh I guess that makes us even on the foot in mouth scoreboard lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
12-20-2004, 10:00 AM
sounds like a 'monkey sandwich' (broodje aap) story to me...

woofiedog
12-20-2004, 10:00 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif tHeBaLrOgRoCkS... you buy the Beer's & I'll buy the Shot's!
Then we can call it Even! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
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LeadSpitter_
12-20-2004, 10:44 AM
I looked into it a little bit only found one incident with he117s of combat reports and could not find this incident. there is alot of reports to look thru it was the

during the "big week" there is a report of two P-39's of the 347th shooting down 2 he-177s.

Also it was called the BIG WEEK the usaf b-17s destroyed 20% of germans aircraft production industries theres also thousands of report logs. but i havent found a report of that specific incident it so it still could be true but i havent seen the proof yet.

I use the NARA National Archives & Records Administration

http://www.archives.gov/

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
12-20-2004, 11:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by woofiedog:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif tHeBaLrOgRoCkS... you buy the Beer's & I'll buy the Shot's!
Then we can call it Even! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rgr that Woofiedog Your on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif And a Merry Christmas too you

Slanté

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Ruy Horta
12-20-2004, 12:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Some of U might enjoy this read since bomber dogfights are pretty rare in history and in the litterature.
http://www.yarchive.net/mil/bomber_duel.html

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have the source book mentioned and IMHO, although you have to keep an open mind, I'd be cautious when it comes to believing the whole event as written.

Not one of the best books in my collection.

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Petey78
12-20-2004, 01:09 PM
Completely, factually true or not, the Sunderland did shoot down six of the Ju88s...

Respect where it's due.

woofiedog
12-20-2004, 01:44 PM
tHeBaLrOgRoCkS[/QUOTE]

Rgr that Woofiedog Your on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif And a Merry Christmas too you

Slanté

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http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Sound's Great Merry Christmas & have Happy New Year!
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SkyPiggies
12-20-2004, 02:51 PM
Site dedicated to the Sunderland here (http://www.n461.com/).