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BS87
12-23-2003, 11:27 PM
Any of my fellow 190A5 pilots notice a change in the Antons in 1.21? I cant put my finger on it, but the A5 seems to hate me now. Anyone have any tips for me that i might have missed along the line?

BS87
12-23-2003, 11:27 PM
Any of my fellow 190A5 pilots notice a change in the Antons in 1.21? I cant put my finger on it, but the A5 seems to hate me now. Anyone have any tips for me that i might have missed along the line?

kyrule2
12-23-2003, 11:38 PM
Not sure what it could be, I love the A-5. It's just as fast as before and it is a little more forgiving since 1.21. At least in the vertical I think, horizontal turning is about the same but is still decent. The A-8 and A-9 handle worse in 1.21, now you can really notice the difference as oppposed to A-4 and A-5. Anyway, I think the A-5 is good so I'm not sure what it could be that seems changed.

It may bleed more energy than before (even in the slightest turn) but that is my only guess.

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DONB3397
12-24-2003, 12:19 AM
I'm not sure what you mean by Antons. The A-5 actually has an improved roll rate and climb. Kyrule2 also has it right with the A-8 and 9. For me, they fall out of turns (stall, spin) and recover a little slower. But basically the FMs seem the same and a little improved in 1.21.

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Yum_Yum
12-24-2003, 03:00 AM
The A5 is my favorite aircraft and has the best balance of speed, manouverability, and firepower of all the FW's. Its my first choice!

I have also noticed a change but do not know what it is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, but I do agree with the others in that it's only slight.

It is difficult to know what the changes are because they may only be very slight, and are only mentioned as "corrected Flight Model" ?.

I have noticed with each patch that my stick settings remain excatly the sameas before, but the flight model has alterd in some way, this makes it difficult to make adjustments to the stick because you dont realy know what FM changes have occured http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.
In the control set up there is a colums of 0-100 to control pitch roll and yaw, but since we are not told by how much each has changed, it is very difficult to make the correct adjustment to allow for any changes in the FM.

If they could somehow list the changes they make in each FM as Pitch, Roll and Yaw numbers, we could easily correct our own settings to compensate for the change. (ummmmm I think thats right ?)

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Raiden48
12-24-2003, 05:13 AM
Ive noticed the 20 mm guns on this thing do much more damage then before, good plane, only a bit too slow for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fillmore
12-24-2003, 06:46 AM
I had to change my jotstick input settings for the Antons, new settings still work with Doras too, but my old settings didn't like the Antons after 1.21

TX-Zen
12-24-2003, 08:24 AM
Very interesting that you guys mention this change in feeling, I've felt it too but wasn't really sure how to describe it.

I don't think it's bad, the plane in some ways feels lighter and more agile. The guns do pack more punch than they used to which is very nice. They also sound more muffled when firing I think.



But what is it that people think is different now? By everything I can see it appears to fly better than it used to, but it seems to 'sail' more now I guess.

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Loco-S
12-24-2003, 08:49 AM
No idea what it is, but before I avoided the 190's like the plague,( Im a 109 driver) now it feels like a brand new plane,( Im liking it) more responsive,great accleleration, better firepower better climb and better turning abilities, I always liked the "look" of the plane, now its a little closer to what its pilots said, unfortunately is not quite there yet.

I hope its energy loss will be addressed on the next patch, I can only rely on pilot accounts, and if chuck yeager was right, the 190 was a superb aircraft not correctly depicted in any of the previous patches.

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FW190fan
12-24-2003, 09:14 AM
Guys I haven't noticed any big changes with the A-5, but I've been flying a 109F-2 campaign alot since 1.21.

I've been flying Focke-Wulfs since IL/2 hit the shelves some time ago, and I feel the same about it as Gollum felt about that ring.

Every time I see a Focke-Wulf I think to myself, "My pretty, my preciousssssss....."


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TX-Zen
12-24-2003, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Loco-S:
No idea what it is, but before I avoided the 190's like the plague,( Im a 109 driver) now it feels like a brand new plane,( Im liking it) more responsive,great accleleration, better firepower better climb and better turning abilities, I always liked the "look" of the plane, now its a little closer to what its pilots said, unfortunately is not quite there yet.

I hope its energy loss will be addressed on the next patch, I can only rely on pilot accounts, and if chuck yeager was right, the 190 was a superb aircraft not correctly depicted in any of the previous patches.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually I think the FW series has been improved dramatically since IL2. If you flew the plane then, you'd have been crying a river of tears like the rest of us were http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

These days, while not perfect, it's still an extremely competitive plane that I feel is very close to what it was in real life. As a dedicated FW jock, I have actually no complaints about it at all, other than the well documented forward visibility modelling (that and the need for a complex DM).

It gets the job done and while not uber, if flown well is a tough nut for anyone to crack at any altitude.


FW190Fan:
lmao. How can it be your precious if it's mine also? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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olaleier
12-24-2003, 01:07 PM
Hehehe...is it just me or are there quite a lot of different changes experienced after each patch?

BS87
12-24-2003, 01:32 PM
Yeah, like i said i couldnt quite put my finger on it. I do notice the more powerful punch of the MG151s and the MG/FFs, because when my horrible gunnery skills actually are able to hit something, it usually leaves alot more dmg than before. I down saw off wings, but then again i rarely hit the plane in the first place =) I think i'll adjust as times goes on. I guess the LA7s are getting to me. I keep forgetting that they really were that good and that stable, and that they really could catch me and slaughter me =)

scootertgm
12-24-2003, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Actually I think the FW series has been improved dramatically since IL2. If you flew the plane then, you'd have been crying a river of tears like the rest of us were http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh man, I still remember the first time I tried stall fighting in an A5... wow, felt like I was fly in slush, but it wouldn't stall and I could turn on a dime. Got five kills before running out of gas... The good old days...

FW190fan
12-24-2003, 01:37 PM
[FW190Fan:
lmao. How can it be your precious if it's mine also? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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CARBONFREEZE
12-24-2003, 01:48 PM
Zen, Kyrule, and Fw190Fan hit the nail on the head =)

It extremely high rate of roll has been toned down; easier to aim. Fw-190 A-4 and A-5 are not capable of reaching top speed ASL, from my sources and IL-2's database. Approxiemately 40kph too slow with Automatic pitch and radiator settings+110%/WEP. To obtain published speeds you must enable 100% pitch and close the radiator for 10 minutes. Unforutnately my computer with all of the data is down at the moment (motherboard failure) so I can't post any "evidence" of this.

It would be nice if we could have a custom armerment system; ie define the ammount of ammunition for each weapon system on the aircraft. Then we wouldn't have to deal with the rediculous MG17 muzzleflash.

The damage model could be.. improved greatly.

FB's Fw-190 is definetly easier to fly and compete with compared to IL-2's Fw-190. Back when I was still playing on UBI there were only 2-3 people online that flew the Fw-190 exclusively, and it was great fun to get together and create havok with DangerForeward. Most of my Fw-190 flight time in Il-2 was lone wolf until I joined WUAF.

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TX-Zen
12-24-2003, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
*FW190fan's hair falls out, he turns blue and sits on the side of a creek eating a raw fish naked while insidiously plotting with his own reflection on how to wrest control of the FW from TX-Zen*

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

/me thoughtfully puffs his pipe, waiting for a draft of air to tell him the way out of the mines. He looks at the camera:

"Even the very wise cannot see all ends. I feel that FW190Fan has some greater purpose yet to play, though I cannot see what it is."

/me wonders how even if a draft of air tells him which passage to choose, how the heck will he get the 109A5 parked next to him through the door and out of Moria.

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Wing_Over
12-24-2003, 03:28 PM
Zen and Fan- you guys are waaaay out- i love it, keep on going the way of the ring, hence thy will find the path of the Butcherbird!

kyrule2
12-24-2003, 03:32 PM
190Fan and TX-Zen, you better hope a goblin doesn't shoot our precious with a single arrow from across the realm in Isengard and tear off a wing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sorry, couldn't resist. Btw, the FW-190A-5 is mine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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The FW-190A-5 must not fall into the hands of men. He would mean to do good with it, but would probably just end up turning & burning;

....to the ruin of all.


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[This message was edited by kyrule2 on Wed December 24 2003 at 07:56 PM.]

CARBONFREEZE
12-24-2003, 04:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kyrule2:
190Fan and TX-Zen, you better hope a goblin doesn't shoot our precious with a single arrow from across the realm in Isengard and tear off a wing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sorry, couldn't resist. Btw, the FW-190A-5 is mine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

"It's...getting.....heavier!"


...."Mr. Kyrule2, can't you see what it's doing to you?"


"Shut up, what do you know of it? Nothing!


The FW-190A-5 must not fall into the hands of men. He would mean to do good with it, but would probably just end up turning & burning with it;

....to the ruin of all.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol

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BS87
12-24-2003, 10:41 PM
Well were at it, maybe you guys could give me some tips. WHat do you usualy set the prop pitch to? Radiator? throttle? etc? thanks guys. Any gunnery tips woul also be greatly appreciated.

Korolov
12-24-2003, 10:49 PM
Seems I can't fly anything but Fw-190s now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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TX-Zen
12-25-2003, 12:32 AM
Three Mustangs for the BnZers high in the sky
Seven Yakovlev's for the allies on their tarmacs of stone
Nine Zero's for mortal stall fighters doomed to die
One Dora for the dark JagdFlier, on his dark throne,

In the land of E fighting, where the Dora's fly

One Dora to rule them all, One Dora to find them
One Dora to bring them all, and in the altitude bind them,

In the land of E fighting, where the Dora's fly.

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Spinnetti
12-25-2003, 08:14 AM
I only fly the 190A5.. every patch I have to readjust. This latest one (1.21) I feel like all my control cables are cut! It seems much better in pitch without stall, with much better stall warning, but in roll, its like it has no roll stability!. I basically need to learn to refly all over again. I now get smoked on all my old favorite QMB flights