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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:25 PM
Been flying for about six months now. I only know what I've taught myself, which is ludicrist, because I didn't know anything about real fighter tactics to start with. Yea, not everyone has been taught tactics, and with those flyers I can hang. But there are many more flyers that know what they are doing, whether taught tatics or not. I don't stand a chance against a flyer that knows when to implement a manuver, offensive or defensive, and how to execute it.I want to learn. I've read until headaches come. I watch every discovery wings show that has anything to do with WWII fighter planes & real interviews with their pilots. I try to fly at least three to fours hours a day, at least all my back can stand. All of this has been helpful. But is there anyone out there, that knows tatics, willing to go up with me and spend some time putting me through some training? I just want to be a formidal opponent in the virtual skies. Anyone that is willing to a mentor along the way, leave a post or email me at Tim777@comcast.net. I thought I could do this as a member of a group, squadron. So far, only one response, and I don't think these guys stay to busy, real life happening. At least that is the jest of an email I recieved, but was told that I was welcome to join. My thing is, I would like to stay busy. At least 2 or 3 missions a week, 3 preferrably. And all the time it takes to be a formidal pilot. Anyone with a little time to spare? Please get back up with me. Thanks!

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:25 PM
Been flying for about six months now. I only know what I've taught myself, which is ludicrist, because I didn't know anything about real fighter tactics to start with. Yea, not everyone has been taught tactics, and with those flyers I can hang. But there are many more flyers that know what they are doing, whether taught tatics or not. I don't stand a chance against a flyer that knows when to implement a manuver, offensive or defensive, and how to execute it.I want to learn. I've read until headaches come. I watch every discovery wings show that has anything to do with WWII fighter planes & real interviews with their pilots. I try to fly at least three to fours hours a day, at least all my back can stand. All of this has been helpful. But is there anyone out there, that knows tatics, willing to go up with me and spend some time putting me through some training? I just want to be a formidal opponent in the virtual skies. Anyone that is willing to a mentor along the way, leave a post or email me at Tim777@comcast.net. I thought I could do this as a member of a group, squadron. So far, only one response, and I don't think these guys stay to busy, real life happening. At least that is the jest of an email I recieved, but was told that I was welcome to join. My thing is, I would like to stay busy. At least 2 or 3 missions a week, 3 preferrably. And all the time it takes to be a formidal pilot. Anyone with a little time to spare? Please get back up with me. Thanks!

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:38 PM
maybe try asnd join a squadren.....go to the squadren form

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:38 PM
This sounds lame but get the BOB (Battle of Britain) game. It is really old. You should be able to get it on Ebay. That said, the manual is awesome. It will not apply to IL2 specifically but there is a lot of content regarding specifically fighter tactics and manauvers. There are dozens of moves detailed in that manual for fighters and dozens of tactics explained for all situations like strafing runs and taking down large and small bombers. It was a complete pilots technical manual! The moves are described really simple and complete with diagrams. Like hammerheads and immelmens (spelling sucks I know).

There are alot of other resources out there but the BOB game manual is like a fighter piltot tactics for dummies book. Funny thing is that they work! You can have an ACE on your tail and perform a manauver and all of a sudden you are on thier tail. It's great.

Charles.

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:41 PM
S! Striker, I Have a few good links and downloads at my website on my Training gounds page. Here is a direct link:

http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/coastie0/Training.html

Feel free to browse the rest of the site too!

Good luck man!



PF-Coastie

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:46 PM
Thanks for the links. Great site. I'm sure this will be helpful.

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:54 PM
If you haven't got these already down yet, learn some essential simming techniques first.

You can be an excellent tactician but if you haven't got the technique to execute the tactics it isn't gonna help you much.

The most important simming technique is to keep the enemy in sight no matter what or where you have to look (up down, left, right behind etc.). Maneuver to uncover his position, operate the hatswitch, padlock, mouse or trackIR, but keep the object of interest well in sight, preferably somewhere in the centre of the screen.

To practice, you can eg. pick a non moving object (a bridge) and fly circles around it fly under it, but keep it in your view all the time. Next, progress to moving friendly objects, then to objects that move and fight back.

How is keeping sight going to help you? Well, what you see him do, dictates how you react. If you miss seeing what he's doing, you can't adequately react to it. With experience you don't even have to see him all the time to predict where he's going.

The next most important technique is shooting.
If you got those down sufficiently is when starting to read about tactics, starts making sense.

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michapma
08-31-2003, 11:55 PM
Hi Striker,

Sounds like you are dead serious. For what you are after it seems that flying with someone else online is exactly what you are after. Especially if you can hook up on comms and talk while flying with someone you can learn a whole lot. I am learning like this on a regular basis with the more experienced pilots in my squadron. I might consider getting together with you at some point, but I have vacation the next two weeks. In terms of squadrons, you simply have to find the squadron that meets your needs. You don't have to only fly with your squadron mates, you can always go online and fight in your spare time. But joining a squadron might be the fastest way for you to train.

The number one step to being a dangerous pilot is to learn to shoot well, so make sure your gunnery skills are good. Next comes being able to fly&mdash;knowing the basics requires more than a lot of people think of. Think of selecting one aircraft type to learn really well. Practice flying your airplane slow to learn its limitations. Then fly it fast and level to know what it is capable of. In fact learn all you can about that aircraft, it's strenghts and weaknesses. Corner speed, turn rate, how well it takes hits, armament, etc. After that, learn the strengths and weaknesses of aircraft you are bound to meet when flying your aircraft, that is, if you are in an early-war Russian aircraft, then leanr about early war German aircraft. Next comes practicing maneuvers. Barrel rolls, loops and Immelmans, breaks, split-s, etc. are basic repertoire, and you should read up on a few more advanced maneuvers such as scissors spiral climb, etc. Studying and practicing maneuvers is more to make you aware than it is to learn to use them in combat. Combat is very spontaneous and you will very rarely need to just use a sequence of maneuvers. It is far more valuable to know how to do things like turn at optimal speed, when and how to use rudder and perhaps flaps, what not to do, how to build energy and maintain an energy advantage, and so on. Oh, and did I mention gunnery? /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

Don't be afraid to just go online and get your butt kicked, and learn from the other guy. Maybe record some online tracks, and go back and watch how the others were fighting. It is also not that rare to find a server with only a very few people on it. Announce that you are looking to learn and maybe someone will be willing to work on it with you.

Have fun!
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:58 PM
You can check this as well:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~fta/index.htm

and this one will keep u busy for a while:
http://www.simhq.com/_air/acc_library.html

email me at f16_filur @ yahoo.se, I have a nice pdf too.

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:01 AM
An intense response for an intense question. Means alot thanks Mike!

michapma
09-01-2003, 12:04 AM
If you are still looking for a great site for reading, do an internet search for Tailspin's Tales. Great site and near infinite linkage.

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

=69.GIAP=Chap

69.GIAP (http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/giap/)</p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:05 AM
Track IR. What is it? I know, seems like ignornant question, but if I know the answer, ignorance is mute.

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:07 AM
Can't seem to find, or know of a program to open a trk file. Can you tell me? Thanks!

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:27 AM
Get the book,

"Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering" by Robert Shaw.

It is the bible of air combat.





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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 01:51 AM
Striker, TrackIR is a visual aid that allows you to move the virtual head of the pilot, just by moving your head to look left, right, up...etc.

See Here: http://www.naturalpoint.com/

A .trk file is opened via the game. From the main menu select "Play Track" and you will see a list of .trk files you can play that came with the game. I recommend "The Black Death" for a good FPS test and neat visuals. FB also has online .trk recording. You'll find that in the manual. Have fun!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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T_O_A_D
09-01-2003, 06:30 AM
Hmm .trk all mine in FB are the .ntrk


Striker if yah want to see a track in the .ntrk type click on link below my sig about the trackir and i have a couple you can download there to see it in use.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:36 PM
Thanks SlickStick.
SlickStick wrote:
- Striker, TrackIR is a visual aid that allows you to
- move the virtual head of the pilot, just by moving
- your head to look left, right, up...etc.
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- See Here: http://www.naturalpoint.com/
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- A .trk file is opened via the game. From the main
- menu select "Play Track" and you will see a list of
- .trk files you can play that came with the game. I
- recommend "The Black Death" for a good FPS test and
- neat visuals. FB also has online .trk recording.
- You'll find that in the manual. Have fun!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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- çk?¯kT 2003**

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:42 PM
Great links. I'll use this post to thank everyone who took their time to help an old rookie out. lol And advise anyone just doing a little reading of the forum, and run across my original post, to read every response. Cause if you are reading the original post, you might feel like you could use some help or at least a little brushing up. Thanks all!

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:21 PM
Hi, Striker!

you might want to have a look at us and our site, http://www.icaghq.com

We have an extensive, multi-step training program, from the first steps and basic combat skills in an OTU (Operational Training Unit) to advanced combat training in our active wings. (VVS, ground attack wing, US Air Force and RAF.)

We are accepting cadets with any level of skills, all we ask for is dedication to the more serious aspects of the sim./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

See you in the skies,

ICAG_Frog

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:37 PM
I am going to host a newbie server tonight in the HL. Historical planesets and emphasis on fun.

It will be named "CWoS" so feel free to jump in and I can teach you what I know (for what its worth)/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 03:17 PM
Hi Smoke J,

will try and join you tonight if I can get the kids in bed early enough, and the wife shoved out the door.

Hell, why not throw them all out!

Cpt-Madcowz
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