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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:50 PM
My father,now aged 72 flew the Meteor whilst in the RAF during 1951.(NB...When firing the nose-mounted cannons in the Meteor he could not remember any flash but heard the firing and felt the recoil).As a comparison with the 262 I set up the following....

I set up a QMB flying the Me 262 but without opposition.This was his first time on this sim.He was fascinated by the graphics in FB and the good instrument representation. He stated that the ailerons on the 262 appeared to be 'twitchy' or over-responsive.He also stated that the plane appeared to swing readily in flight both laterally and vertically.He of course found the screen limitations to be a great hinderance as regards peripheral vision. He spent quite some time flying at low level and enjoying the experience.
I then set up an offline 'multiplayer' game involving the Me 262 from take-off to attacking incoming P-51s with Full Real cockpit.He had no problems taking off but was always focused on the instruments.He found it difficult to engage the opposition but this was probably due to speed and 'lack-of-experience' !! He managed to land first time but lost an engine.
He enjoyed the experience...particularly being able to refly in one piece!

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:50 PM
My father,now aged 72 flew the Meteor whilst in the RAF during 1951.(NB...When firing the nose-mounted cannons in the Meteor he could not remember any flash but heard the firing and felt the recoil).As a comparison with the 262 I set up the following....

I set up a QMB flying the Me 262 but without opposition.This was his first time on this sim.He was fascinated by the graphics in FB and the good instrument representation. He stated that the ailerons on the 262 appeared to be 'twitchy' or over-responsive.He also stated that the plane appeared to swing readily in flight both laterally and vertically.He of course found the screen limitations to be a great hinderance as regards peripheral vision. He spent quite some time flying at low level and enjoying the experience.
I then set up an offline 'multiplayer' game involving the Me 262 from take-off to attacking incoming P-51s with Full Real cockpit.He had no problems taking off but was always focused on the instruments.He found it difficult to engage the opposition but this was probably due to speed and 'lack-of-experience' !! He managed to land first time but lost an engine.
He enjoyed the experience...particularly being able to refly in one piece!

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:53 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:44 PM
mint, wish we had a meteor in FB. What does ur dad think of meteor performance, handling etc etc as he actualy flew one, every one here seems to think they are crap and not a match for 262 but i dont agree i think for their time they were very good? could u ask him plz?

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:51 PM
Thanks for sharing your granddads experience, nice story./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 10:13 PM
johno__UK wrote:
- mint, wish we had a meteor in FB. What does ur dad
- think of meteor performance, handling etc etc as he
- actualy flew one, every one here seems to think they
- are crap and not a match for 262 but i dont agree i
- think for their time they were very good? could u
- ask him plz?

They weren't crap but I've read and heard that the Meteors just weren't fully developed by the end of the war (although we've got a theoretical 1946 thing going here too) and that they weren't combat effective. Something along the lines of the airframe couldn't withstand combat operations (ie. structural failures perhaps?). And it was slower than the 262 I think.

But I wouldn't be opposed to having one in FB dogfight servers. Love to see how they'd go.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 01:28 AM
In answer to the above...

My father never flew an Me 262 of course...
His recollections are from memory 50 years ago...

But he found the Meteor to be ok as long as it was flown within the necessary limitations....but this applies to all aircraft.

He was on standby for the Korean war but he knew that the Meteor would not compare to well to the Mig-15 (powered by a copy of a British engine).

Many of his friends were killed during training as jet fighters were even 5 years after the war considered to be 'hot ships'.
His biggest problem was making the transition from a piston engine trainer (Harvard also known as Texan) straight to a single seat jet.
He survived to fly 30 years as a commercial pilot.

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:06 AM
cool, there used to be a static meteor at an abadoned RAAF training base near where i lived, it was awesome, it must have just been sitting under this hanger roof for 30 years, fortunately they took it away last year for it to be fully restored.


BTW i think the took it too this place here

http://www.raafawa.org.au/wa/museum/default.htm

but i think its being restored secrectly because the aircraft is worth alot of money


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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:25 AM
Avro,
Would you mind asking your father a question for me? I was flying F86's for the RCAF in England in 1952/53 and we sometimes hassled with RAF Meteors. There was a rumor at the time that Meteor pilots could not eject without catching their legs on the spade grips on the stick, usually with terrible results. I've never forgotten this, obviously, and always marveled at those brave guys who would fly something like that. Was this story true? Thanks.

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 03:12 AM
great story man thx for sharing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 03:19 AM
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MB_Avro,

A few days ago, i've started modelling this jet, the Gloster Meteor. I really would like to talk with you and your father to get some info about it, where/how can i contact you? That would be great to have a real Meteor pilot helping.

thanks.

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09-01-2003, 03:36 AM
Thanks for the story. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 03:39 AM
cool story, pics video and audio clips i would love. I would rather see the vampire before the meteor in fb


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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 04:18 AM
My Dad transitioned from P-51's to the F-80, then F-86A. He says the big difference was acceleration. The first time he firewalled the throttle on the runway, the Sabre just sat there, then slowlllly began rolling.

I asked him if there was anything really different that you had to watch out for in jets. Naw, just another fighter. Went faster, a bit higher, but same stuff. Very little torque to worry about, and the tricycle gear took a few landings to get used to. Same tactics when fighting, turn, zoom, dive etc. Same thinking went into it. Not nearly the range, so an eye on the fuel gauge at all times.

He loved both planes. He really, really loved the T-33, the trainer version of the F-80.

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:16 AM
There were a static T-33 and a Texan at the airport of Santander (Spain). They were in service with the Spanish AF in late 50s.

I think I've watched them a million times. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:54 AM
Thank you for the story! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 09:47 AM
Thank you for the interesting stories.
We should open a forum or a thread with real pilots' feedback on FB and with tales of their experience.
Also to know if our loved birds look and beheve quite real, and to share with us their experiences.
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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 10:40 AM
Thanks for telling us that! I would love to have a flyable Meteor ingame. Admittedly, performance-wise the Meteor could not match the 262, but it was an excellent aircraft and was faster than most propeller driven aircraft.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:42 PM
MB_Avro, can you ask your father to contact me about his experience with the Meteor? My friend Hartmann is trying to make a 3D model of this plane, and his assistance would be great. Please, send a e-mail to me(bringhenti@argentina.com ) if you are interested.

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fluke39
09-01-2003, 01:10 PM
nice story ! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif - thanks for sharing

always good to hear about real pilots thoughts about FB
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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:11 PM
Someone correct me, but I'm pretty sure the Meteor got into combat in WW2 the ground attack role. Also as a V-1 hunter?

XyZspineZyX
09-02-2003, 05:19 PM
I shall try to get your questions answered in a few days...

....interrogation will be over a few warm beers !!


Regards
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XyZspineZyX
09-02-2003, 07:09 PM
Hello All,
I really like the historical stories so I thought I'd add a story about my dad... He flew as a First Officer (Co-pilot) on an A-26 during the last days of WWII in the Pacific. He said it was a great plane that was "sweet" to fly... very forgiving and could take some abuse. It was so fast that it could keep up with a few fighters. He flew the model that had 8 x .50 cal machine guns in a soild nose. This was meant for anti-shipping duties. He says that it made quite a racket and they felt sorry for anything they aimed them at. After the war he went to transition school to learn to fly jets. By the time he "graduated" in late 1949, he was assigned to help with testing the Northrup F-89 Scorpion (the first all-weather twin-jet fighter). His recollections are that it was like all the early jets: very noisey, very slow on take-offs, and leaked fuel like crazy... he says it always scared him on walk-ups when he saw a big puddle of aviation fuel on the ground under the aircraft. But it was very exciting flying those early jets... just the change in speed and climbing ability was what he says was the main difference. His squadron had the chance to see a capture MiG-15 fly and said it would've been "interesting" to go up against one with a good Russian pilot. The roll rate was VERY good on the MiG compared to the F-89's. Later he changed to F-102's, F-106's and then got to end his career flying F-111's and a few hops in an F-16. But he says that like anything good in life, you always have fond memories of your first one. By the way, he hasn't flown many flight sims and I finally got him on FB... mainly it was the lack of peripheral vision and the pull of gravity that was hard getting used to, but he enjoyed himself and really liked the graphics and flight modeling. Hope you enjoyed this... Keep up those stories, they are real fun to read!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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