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bwchaney
12-09-2004, 05:10 AM
im going to get a new vid card and am trying to decide between the bfg 6800 gt and the 800 pro by radeon. i need some kickback from the community please. ive read reviews and all they do is confuse my decision making more. what do you fellow pilots recommend and why. please help me out thanks in advance devildog

ericson
12-09-2004, 05:31 AM
Sorry to give more choice but have you checked the specs of the 6600gt agp. If you can get one looks to be good value for money. In UK going for about 143. including tax.

lbhskier37
12-09-2004, 05:33 AM
6800GT will let you run with water 3 on (if the rest of your system is good enough), X800XT wont. If PF is your main game I would go with the 6800GT. Some might say that water 3 is to big of a framerate hit on the 6800Gt, but same was true when FB came out trying to play perfect mode with the 9700Prok, after a few drivers and patches it was fine and I'm guessing the same thing could happend with the 6800GT.

EAF51Warlord
12-09-2004, 06:10 AM
My system:
CPU, AMD, 3400+, Athlon 64, Sockel 754, 1024kB L2 Cache, Clawhammer, tray with Coolingsystem Zalman
Mainboard, AMD-Sockel 754, nForce3 250, ASUS K8N, AGP, SATA, Raid, LAN
1 GB Ram
MSI NX6800GT 256MB DDR3

Setting 1024X768X32 all high WaterPerfect (config.ini water=3)
Benchmarked with default Kamikaze video arround 15-30 FPS.
Here some images:

http://www.gohigher.de/p1.jpg

http://www.gohigher.de/p2.jpg

http://www.gohigher.de/p3.jpg

http://www.gohigher.de/p4.jpg

http://www.gohigher.de/p5.jpg

http://www.gohigher.de/p6.jpg

http://www.gohigher.de/p7.jpg

http://www.gohigher.de/p8.jpg

http://www.gohigher.de/p9.jpg


I am very gratified with my 6800.

S!

crazyivan1970
12-09-2004, 07:02 AM
Thats pretty much where all advantages of 6800 GT end... on water=3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

In all other areas X800PRO will ownz it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

lbhskier37
12-09-2004, 07:05 AM
Not if you play Doom 3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Bearcat99
12-09-2004, 07:11 AM
I just got one ...... the jury is still out but it is coming along. I at first got 7fps maxed out at 8AF,8AA and High Quality on the image.... (I usually max a new card out then back off till its playable rather than the other way). Now with the same scenario (Thunderstorm at Oki... water 3,AA4,AF4 Quality image settings... I get 25-35.. not too bad. Im still working on it. Both cards are great.. I got this one mainly because I got it at almost 50% off... so for me it was a no brainer.

LEXX_Luthor
12-09-2004, 07:52 AM
What resolution Bear?

Sometime next year I would like to get a card so I can do Perfect Mode, no AA/AF, and water=0 --but I need 1600x1200. Its astonishing what resolution does for the new small distant aircraft grafix and cockpit guages at full zoom out view.

402Cdn.Valkyrie
12-09-2004, 08:11 AM
Well PS 3.0 is a great feature, ATi just waited until the next generation of their cards to put it in, they upgraded all their "old" features and made them better on their current AGP and PCI-Express cards.

Put still putting PS 3.0 aside the XT and XT platinium will do better then the 6800 series when you crank up the graphic, From 1200x1024x32 with 4xAA/4xAF and above you will get better FPS if your system can keep up with the X800.

The reason i dont use the Pro version of the X800 is because it only had 12 Pixel Pipelines and all the 6800 has 16.

Yes, the 6800 score better fps in DOOM III and other high end OpenGL games but NVidia has almost always had a better OpenGL renderer on their cards than ATi. I will still put my money at ATi when i get enough to buy a new card, now i know that alot of people in here have said that they have problems with their ATi cards I have never had any, other that my card being to small for this game thats is... hehe!

I also would very much like to run this game with PS 3.0 but i'll just wait till ATi gets is on their cards or the need for eye candy turns me over to the enemy sort of say, hehe!

lbhskier37
12-09-2004, 09:03 AM
Problem with the ATI solution is that its next to impossible to find a X800XT PE, even if you have the money. Neither really blows the other out of the water (accept the GF in Doom and the ATI card in Half-life), so to me it would come down to features and price. Nvidia has PS3, so that would decide it for me unless I found a X800 really cheap.

RocketDog
12-09-2004, 11:23 AM
Unlike most people here I have acually used both an X800Pro and a 6800GT for IL-2.

The X800Pro has better image quality in IL-2 and Lock On. The 6800GT is slightly faster and offers the water = 3 perfect setting, but can't deliver useful frame rates at reasonable resolution (1280 x 960 or above).

I kept the X800Pro and sold the 6800GT.

If they had been available when I was buying I would have gone for an X800XT.

Regards,

RocketDog.

fordfan25
12-09-2004, 11:56 AM
yea but the x800xt is about 100bucks more than the 6800gt. if your going to compair then it should be the 6800 ultra vs the x800xt right?

402Cdn.Valkyrie
12-09-2004, 12:54 PM
True you should.. but the thread was on the X800pro and the 6800GT.

The X800XT/XT PE was just added later.

AJM-2K4
12-09-2004, 02:26 PM
anyone know if the X850 supports SM3.0? I'm planning on upgrading in the next couple of months. Right now I'm thinking the X850 XT PCIe.

Mal_Dale
12-09-2004, 04:46 PM
My advice is go for the 6800GT and get a PCI-Express version. Although this will require you to get a new mobo, it means a few months down the track you can buy another 6800 (when the prices have dropped abit more) and set it up with an SLI feature. This is proving to deliver a massive 70% increase in performance and will make it much faster than anything ATI currentlt have planned.
So, you get the beautiful water, equivalent grunt now and a built-in option to updgrade to the top of the range SLI configuration further down the track.

Charlie901
12-09-2004, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mal_Dale:
My advice is go for the 6800GT and get a PCI-Express version. Although this will require you to get a new mobo, it means a few months down the track you can buy another 6800 (when the prices have dropped abit more) and set it up with an SLI feature. This is proving to deliver a massive 70% increase in performance and will make it much faster than anything ATI currentlt have planned.
So, you get the beautiful water, equivalent grunt now and a built-in option to updgrade to the top of the range SLI configuration further down the track. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



I guarentee that you won't see much of an FPS boost with games like IL2, which are more CPU dependant that video.

Although you could crank up the resolution, AA and AF without loosing FPS, but probably get the same slowdowns in the same spots none-the-less.

Casper139971
12-09-2004, 08:39 PM
6800gt has 16 full render paths. X800Pro has 12... The 6800gt can also be overclocked pretty reliably
to the 6800 Ultra speeds. Now the x800xt has 16 render paths, and is on par with the nvidia 6800 ultra. I have a GT and am very pleased. I don't overclock, but down the road, as it gets a little long in the tooth, I have the option. The ATI cards don't overclock well (I've read on forums, anyway.)
I run Halflife 2 at 1024X768 with both AS and AA enabled. Runs beautifully. I run PF at 1024X768
with perfext water and all details high. I did'nt boost any effects in the config because performance in a flight sim out weighs pretty for me... But hell, it's still **** pretty. My Friends go ooooh and ahhhhh

lbhskier37
12-09-2004, 09:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AJM-2K4:
anyone know if the X850 supports SM3.0? I'm planning on upgrading in the next couple of months. Right now I'm thinking the X850 XT PCIe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Negative, XT850 are just overclocked XT800s no new features.

402Cdn.Valkyrie
12-10-2004, 03:37 AM
Mal <>What you say are partly true, but by then if NVidia realeases a new card we will already haev the X850 on PCI-Express, witch is a beast i should say and if not i'm pretty sure ATi will follow them. But also you gotta remember that ATi still havent put anything new on their X6/7/800 series its all "old" features so they might be a step behind NVidia now but then have made the footwork with PCI-express witch NVidia didn't do.
It aint always best to be the first one out with a new product just look a Intel they thought they were so smart when they released the 64bit but it didn't work.

Bearcat99
12-10-2004, 07:35 AM
Im a die hard ATI guy.. but i figured for the price I paid it was a no loose situation. I can even sell it if I am not happ with it and less than it can be had anywhere else.

Jason Bourne
12-10-2004, 08:28 AM
any one care to explain the hole water = 3 problem to me? cause with my 10 month old ATI 9800Pro, i can use the perfect water setting, which was made possible in 3.01 (or maybe it was the Cats...) and yet people are saying that the X800 XT cant use this setting??