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Secudus2004
09-20-2005, 12:09 PM
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Secudus2004
09-20-2005, 12:13 PM
Towards the end of the War in Europe 1944 late April, RAF Lancasters dropped food over Holland to stop the populace from starving... Over 1000 aday died. Operation Manna.

Go here: http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/manna.html

BerkshireHunt
09-20-2005, 12:39 PM
This is why the Dutch were starving in 1945:

"When the Allies advanced into the Netherlands the Nazi regime enacted a 'scorched earth' policy and destroyed docks and harbours to flood much of the country. The civilian population, with much agricultural land useless and with limited transport that could have moved food stocks for civilian use (partly due to civil disobedience), suffered in almost-famine conditions from September 1944 until early 1945, the Hongerwinter - with around 30,000 Dutch people starving to death."

BSS_Goat
09-20-2005, 12:46 PM
Looks like a cluster bomb to me....

http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/photos/p_manna1.jpg

MB_Avro_UK
09-20-2005, 05:30 PM
The Dutch are the closest ally to England historically....

Very nice to see that we Brits did our best.

Also,the Nazis were warned that if they fired upon supply drops that retribution would be swift!!!!

Lancasters and other aircraft flew slow and low to drop food and in fairness there was NO enemy fire.

The British had food rationing until the early 1950s and was econimically destroyed by WW2 but supplied food to Holland,Germany and the rest of Europe.

Who remembers that now?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

BerkshireHunt
09-21-2005, 05:33 AM
The man responsible for the famine was the Austrian Nazi, Arthur Seyss-Inquart. He had been appointed Reichkomissar (Governor) of the Netherlands by Hitler. In addition to sending 100,000 Dutch jews to die in German extermination camps he executed thousands of Dutch civilians in reprisals for attacks against German forces in Holland. He also sent 250,000 Dutchmen to Germany to work as slaves (ie they were unpaid and had no rights) in munitions factories. This was all accomplished with the aid of the Gestapo and SS.
At the Nuremberg trials Seyss-Inquart claimed he could not remember much of what had occurred but insisted he was just a minor functionary who simply obeyed orders from above. He was found guilty and was hanged.

WOLFMondo
09-21-2005, 06:02 AM
"There are no words to describe the emotions experienced on that Sunday afternoon. More than 300 four-engined Lancasters, flying exceptionally low, suddenly filled the western horizon." Arie's diary recorded, "One could see the gunners waving in their turrets. A marvellous sight. One Lancaster roared over the town at 70 feet. I saw the aircraft tacking between church steeples and drop its bags in the South. Everywhere we looked, bombers could be seen. No one remained inside and everybody dared to wave cloths and flags. What a feast! Everyone is excited with joy. The war must be over soon now."

Must have been a good feeling for those aircrew after the long nights of bombing.


Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Looks like a cluster bomb to me....



I can't say I'd like to be hit with a few hundred loaves of bread doing 200mph!

Heliopause
09-21-2005, 10:39 AM
People in the cities had a real problem getting food in that last winter and the last months of the war. Often they went to the country-side to trade something with farmers. Farmers still had somethings to eat. Some people were eating tullips!!( family of the onion).
The south of Holland was pretty much liberated before the winter so it was mostly people in the west of Holland who starved. (the bigger cities are in the west).

They also found out that some children didn't really got weaker by the lack of not eating bread. ( this way they found out about "gluten", the things in flour that some people can not digest). But that's an other story.....

BerkshireHunt
09-21-2005, 01:02 PM
I once heard a Dutchman interviewed about his experiences at that time. He said they were so hungry they ate mice, rats, cats, dogs - anything they could catch. But the worst was when his father prepared a meal of tulip bulbs cooked in axle grease. He wept at the memory.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
09-21-2005, 02:11 PM
Me being a Dutchman i sure do remember, what the RAF did was not forgotten and we are thankfull http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

@BerkshireHunt
My grandmother used to tell me the same stories. When she was 9 years old, she stole bread from the germans from a railroad car in Amsterdam and in the winter they cooked anything what was even remotely eatable
including flower bulbs in axle grease, she used to tell me that they first feed it to grandpa because he was so old had nothing to loose, well he survived so the rest could eat to stay alive
she also told me that in the winter of 1944 not a single tree survived in Amsterdam or anything made of wood for that matter

to be honest my grandma still hates the germans as of today for what they did back then, and she still calls them krauts or as we in Dutch say "Moffen"

Low_Flyer_MkII
09-21-2005, 03:51 PM
Couple of sites with pics & info'

http://users.interstroom.nl/~heijink/welkom1.html

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsls7ld/manna.html

Luftwaffe_109
09-21-2005, 07:37 PM
Hello BerkshireHunt.

As I understand it, after the national railways complied with the Dutch government-in-exile's appeal for a railway strike to support the Allied liberation efforts, the German administration, on direct orders of Seyss Inquarth retaliated by putting an embargo on all food transports to the western Netherlands which lasted for six weeks. The distribution of food from Swiss ships was also blocked for an entire month. This was the primary cause for the starvation.

Furthermore, German policy which prevented deliberatly the supply of coal from Germany and the plunder by the Germans of all means of transport also contibuted to the hunger-winter.

From September 1944 until early 1945 approximately 30,000 Dutch people starved to death.

A truce to allow the droppings of food on the Netherlands was not signed until April 23rd, and the drops themselves did not begin until the 29th, six days before the end of the war.

Source: Kingdom of the Netherlands in WW2, by de Jong

p1ngu666
09-21-2005, 07:52 PM
in occupied counties people would often wave and salute the aircraft, and at night open and close doors, so the bombers would see the twinkling lights http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ze germans wherent at all keen on such activities..

rnzoli
09-22-2005, 09:39 AM
This game is not realistic. I can't find 'bread' or 'loaves' in any bomber loadout.

SnapdLikeAMutha
09-22-2005, 06:36 PM
"When we had safely returned from our mission after a good four-hour flight, one story made rounds that one dropping food package had flattened a cow in a pasture field."

Cow's DM is porked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Luftwaffe_109
09-22-2005, 06:47 PM
Cow's DM is porked
I'd rather say it's beefed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

SnapdLikeAMutha
09-22-2005, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Luftwaffe_109:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Cow's DM is porked
I'd rather say it's beefed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you swine... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif