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Hunter82
12-03-2004, 06:29 AM
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/wxp-w2k-8-08-041111a-019253e.exe

Please try that beta set and test if the issue is corected. I've run it for a few hours on and off with no corruption so far.

TacticalYak3
12-03-2004, 06:32 AM
Hello Hunter82,

Is this meant to address the shadow flickering of objects seen from high altitudes?

Regards

RocketDog
12-03-2004, 06:46 AM
Will do Hunter, I'll give it a go when the University lets me out of this b1oody staff meeting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Regards,

RocketDog.

crazyivan1970
12-03-2004, 06:48 AM
You run it for few days and didn`t tell me... You better start hiding mister.... :mh

Hunter82
12-03-2004, 06:53 AM
I've learned to not open my mouth until sure lol

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Hunter82
12-03-2004, 06:54 AM
BTW I've only tested on X800XT PE and X800 Pro

crazyivan1970
12-03-2004, 06:55 AM
Pffffft, you know my card will ownz both of them... hey, is this like a hotfix... or... just install it over 4.12s? Driver only?

Hunter82
12-03-2004, 06:56 AM
Have you adjusted polygon offset in conf.ini? I was testing this for the missing textures and boxes etc..... there may however be a plus nad have that fixed...that however happens to both Nvidia and ATI users

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Hello Hunter82,

Is this meant to address the shadow flickering of objects seen from high altitudes?

Regards <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

wcat
12-03-2004, 08:01 AM
I've posted that link yesterday on SIMHQ forum, but didn't get any test feedback yet.
I won't be home until tonight, so I can't test them myself... any input yet?

wcat

Hunter82
12-03-2004, 08:11 AM
Yeah I didn't want to post anything about them until I tested it for a few hours. So far I have not seen anything negative in PF with new exe or old with X800 Pro or XT PE. Ivan is testing on 9800XT with same results......

You probably won't get much follow up at SimHQ on them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wcat:
I've posted that link yesterday on SIMHQ forum, but didn't get any test feedback yet.
I won't be home until tonight, so I can't test them myself... any input yet?

wcat <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TacticalYak3
12-03-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
Have you adjusted polygon offset in conf.ini? I was testing this for the missing textures and boxes etc..... there may however be a plus nad have that fixed...that however happens to both Nvidia and ATI users

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Hello Hunter82,

Is this meant to address the shadow flickering of objects seen from high altitudes?

Regards <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tried the suggested values found in the PF manual but it didn't help. I understand others with ATI and without ATI cards have this problem. Perhaps Oleg needs to address it Hunter82?

Jason Bourne
12-03-2004, 08:18 AM
does this also adress the horizon being white in Perfect water mode for ATI users?

Hunter82
12-03-2004, 08:20 AM
I would file a bug report at the beta address. The more who report the better chance to get fixed. It may have something to do with the mapping. I know on the Normandy maps on concrete runways when sitting at spawn points depending on where you view the tile changes direction....show stopper ? no.... really bothersome? yes lol

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
Have you adjusted polygon offset in conf.ini? I was testing this for the missing textures and boxes etc..... there may however be a plus nad have that fixed...that however happens to both Nvidia and ATI users

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Hello Hunter82,

Is this meant to address the shadow flickering of objects seen from high altitudes?

Regards <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tried the suggested values found in the PF manual but it didn't help. I understand others with ATI and without ATI cards have this problem. Perhaps Oleg needs to address it Hunter82? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

wcat
12-03-2004, 08:34 AM
I just called a friend of mine, he tried them last night, he said he had still corrupted textures with the new release, he's using a Radeon 9700Pro.
Since I have the same card, it's a bummer for me.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


wcat

Hendley
12-03-2004, 08:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jason Bourne:
does this also adress the horizon being white in Perfect water mode for ATI users? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey-ho, I thought that was just me. Have a 9500 @ PRO and I put it down to a broken pipe, but do others have this prob too? What version drivers do you have Jason? Mine are pretty old (late 3.XX)

faustnik
12-03-2004, 10:07 AM
I'll try them and report Hunter.

Please adjust the ATI drivers to make the 3.02 dots visible. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RocketDog
12-03-2004, 10:57 AM
Don't bother http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Still the same corrupted textures.

I think the Catalyst team need to talk to 1C about this.

Regards,

RocketDog.

PF3.02m, either exe, 3.0 GHz P4, Asus P4C800 mobo, Asus X800Pro.

crazyivan1970
12-03-2004, 11:03 AM
As Hunter mentioned... it worked for my 9800XT, but i only tested it for 30 min tops... looped some of the tracks before i went to work and it worked great.. Will do more testing tonight in COOPs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

slarsson
12-03-2004, 11:58 AM
Which beta is this?

4.12 or 4.13?

Firebird_79vRAF
12-03-2004, 12:42 PM
~S~

Minimal testing here, only 45 mins because I gotta go to work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Seems to have cleared up my problems so far, 9800Pro. Keeping my fingers crossed but dont want to get my hopes up.

Hunter82
12-03-2004, 12:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slarsson:
Which beta is this?

4.12 or 4.13? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

a new 4.12.....there is no such thing as a 4.13 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif 4 stands for the year 2004 12 for the month (December)


Still no problems for me

slarsson
12-03-2004, 01:04 PM
I've been running the 4.12 beta for a while.
I thought this post was referring to a new version.............

Hunter82
12-03-2004, 01:06 PM
new version 4.12 released yesterday

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slarsson:
I've been running the 4.12 beta for a while.
I thought this post was referring to a new version............. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

slarsson
12-03-2004, 03:41 PM
Still says 4.11 at the ATI download site

crazyivan1970
12-03-2004, 03:46 PM
4.12 beta http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4701.html

crazyivan1970
12-03-2004, 03:46 PM
http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4701.html

steve_v
12-03-2004, 03:52 PM
h, reccomend use of the beta_4.12 control panel, or another v?
thanks
hope mag is kickin butt http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/553.gif

crazyivan1970
12-03-2004, 03:56 PM
i`m no H http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, but i installed this fix right over 4.12 stevo. Selected Custon and choosen driver only. Workd great so far http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

H told me not to do it.. but you know how those stubborn russians are.

catahoulak9
12-03-2004, 04:03 PM
Still getting square sun/lens flare with il2fb_new.exe. No problems so far loading with il2fb.exe on my ATI 9500Pro.

steve_v
12-03-2004, 04:06 PM
ty ivan

VF-29_Sandman
12-03-2004, 11:13 PM
1 warning tho: do not...ever.....try to minimize game and return to game. instant severe grafixs corruption and will require a reboot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

crazyivan1970
12-04-2004, 12:16 AM
Guess not for everyone Sandman... going back and forth...no problem

RocketDog
12-04-2004, 02:53 AM
Has anyone with the corrupted textures under 4.11 had them fixed by this 4.12 beta?

Regards,

RocketDog.

Hunter82
12-04-2004, 04:30 AM
The sim does not support minimizing. Some get away with it but officially it is not supported.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-29_Sandman:
1 warning tho: do not...ever.....try to minimize game and return to game. instant severe grafixs corruption and will require a reboot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1.JaVA_Hornet
12-04-2004, 07:51 AM
I have not tried the 4.12 cat.

Offline the new.exe file worked great but
online the textures were corrupted sometimes.

I use the normal pf.exe again.

MetalG.
12-04-2004, 08:00 AM
With these drivers, all glitches seem to be solved except for one:
When you look at the sun there's this big white square showing up instead of the sun itself.

wcat
12-04-2004, 10:55 AM
Anyone having these texture corruptions tried the Omega version of the 4.12's ??

wcat

TheGozr
12-04-2004, 11:14 AM
So when the 5.01 is coming out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Firebird_79vRAF
12-04-2004, 11:22 AM
Seems I spoke to soon earlier. Still have graphics corruption. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Nubarus
12-04-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MetalG.:
With these drivers, all glitches seem to be solved except for one:
When you look at the sun there's this big white square showing up instead of the sun itself. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never saw this effect to begin with, not with the 4.11, or both 4.12 Beta sets.

I also use the new exe to boot up the game.

Jason Bourne
12-04-2004, 04:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hendley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jason Bourne:
does this also adress the horizon being white in Perfect water mode for ATI users? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey-ho, I thought that was just me. Have a 9500 @ PRO and I put it down to a broken pipe, but do others have this prob too? What version drivers do you have Jason? Mine are pretty old (late 3.XX) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have an almost new 9800Pro running the 4.11 Cats (I think)

Hawggy
12-05-2004, 02:11 AM
Me too - two month old 9800 Pro. I went from a GeForce 5700 Ultra with no problems to this graphic corruption issue. I don't use the Omega or Catalyst drivers. I use the DNA's 4.11, and I have no issues on any other games, or before PF for that matter. I really don't think the issue is driver related. I'd bet you anything the Java script errors are causing the graphic texture distortion. We need a PF patch MADDOX!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

RocketDog
12-05-2004, 03:52 AM
Please complete a Catalyst driver feedback form on the ATi driver download page.

At the moment we have the peculiar situation of the PF website recommending drivers (the 4.11s) that cause problems for a significant minority of users. The best hope is to get the Catalyst developers aware of the issue and on the case.

Fingers crossed for 5.1.

Regards,

RocketDog.

DangerForward
12-05-2004, 12:42 PM
I've found that if I set the "Catalyst AI" to advanced, all my graphics errors go away under perfect and excellent. This is using the standard 9800 settings in the setup prog. There are a couple of caveats though.

1) I get this behavior after each switch form excellent to perfect or vice versa: my first flight I get some graphics errors. I quit the app, rerun and the errors are gone until the next time I change the settings.

2) Under the advanced AI setting snow has a greenish tinge to it, like a light snow over grass. Not sure if this is right. Kinda like growing up near the Coppers plant in Pittsburgh during the 70s.

RidgeR5
12-05-2004, 12:52 PM
Im not gonna download new ATI drivers until they begin support for OpenGL again...Cat 1.10 and 1.11 do not have an OpenGL tab in their crappy new settigns configurator.

steve_v
12-05-2004, 02:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ridge_Runner_5:
Im not gonna download new ATI drivers until they begin support for OpenGL again...Cat 1.10 and 1.11 do not have an OpenGL tab in their crappy new settigns configurator. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/530.gif

You put your foot in it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hawggy
12-05-2004, 05:09 PM
Hey - thanx for the tip DangerForward - I'll have to try that. Being a newbie to ATi cards, I had NO idea what that was, so I left it alone.

Oleg_Maddox
12-06-2004, 02:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawggy:
Me too - two month old 9800 Pro. I went from a GeForce 5700 Ultra with no problems to this graphic corruption issue. I don't use the Omega or Catalyst drivers. I use the DNA's 4.11, and I have no issues on any other games, or before PF for that matter. I really don't think the issue is driver related. I'd bet you anything the Java script errors are causing the graphic texture distortion. We need a PF patch MADDOX!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to tell you, but ATI already works over fix of this issue. They confirmed their bug reporting about it us last Friday.

And for these who replace the Java runtime from the sim to the new one - never make it please. After this replecement may happens anything and we are not able to tell you whats may happens when you try to replace the old one working well for the new one that is slowly and more buggy (due to greater complexity added there!).

Hunter82
12-06-2004, 07:06 AM
incorrect. Hopefully will be fixed in a future driver update. I wanted people to try these to see if it fixed it for some...not all. The reason I posted that was I felt it was a driver issue..not a game issue.

Also as Oleg has stated please do not use the newer java files in your game. The use of this has been known to cause more issues then not... this also creates and environment for improper testing and reporting of bugs.

#1 if you are using custom graphics settings in the game or other java files the results cannot be considered credible because testing for drivers are based on default settings with a base game install patched to current...no other additions.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawggy:
Me too - two month old 9800 Pro. I went from a GeForce 5700 Ultra with no problems to this graphic corruption issue. I don't use the Omega or Catalyst drivers. I use the DNA's 4.11, and I have no issues on any other games, or before PF for that matter. I really don't think the issue is driver related. I'd bet you anything the Java script errors are causing the graphic texture distortion. We need a PF patch MADDOX!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hunter82
12-06-2004, 07:08 AM
January

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
So when the 5.01 is coming out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spinnetti
12-06-2004, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-29_Sandman:
1 warning tho: do not...ever.....try to minimize game and return to game. instant severe grafixs corruption and will require a reboot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do that frequently.. On my system, I just have to make sure I don't touch the mouse when switching back and forth or else it locks up.

pettera
12-06-2004, 07:40 AM
The 4.12b corrupted my graphics severly. X800 Xt pcie. Lots of skins changed colors, transparent windows turned almost non-transparent...

Getting rid of the 4.12 and back to 4.11 was a mess. Please make it simpler folks over at ATI!! A reinstall should not need to remove an old driver.

Now I have problem with a merged PF+AEP+FB install. I get black screens flickering when I turn on Perfect Lanscape. Does not happen for PF or FB+AEP.

Something is wrong...

I have never had this experience with any cards or drivers before. It is tempting to buy NVIDIA next time...

Petter

Jason Bourne
12-06-2004, 08:23 AM
hmm, well, the 4.12b drivers fixed all of my errors, so now perfect mode actually looks like the SSs posted on gaming sites. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif now finally I can get a new pick of a F6F for my sig.

Hunter82
12-06-2004, 09:02 AM
Turn off application preference or tripple buffering, temperal AA. This cannot combo together

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pettera:
The 4.12b corrupted my graphics severly. X800 Xt pcie. Lots of skins changed colors, transparent windows turned almost non-transparent...

Getting rid of the 4.12 and back to 4.11 was a mess. Please make it simpler folks over at ATI!! A reinstall should not need to remove an old driver.

Now I have problem with a merged PF+AEP+FB install. I get black screens flickering when I turn on Perfect Lanscape. Does not happen for PF or FB+AEP.

Something is wrong...

I have never had this experience with any cards or drivers before. It is tempting to buy NVIDIA next time...

Petter <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spinnetti
12-06-2004, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/wxp-w2k-8-08-041111a-019253e.exe

Please try that beta set and test if the issue is corected. I've run it for a few hours on and off with no corruption so far. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Compleltely unstalled old drivers, new ones worse than the 4.11 - this on 9800pro 128meg card, p4 3.0, 1 gig dual channel mem.

I did however do some experimenting in the ATI control panel, and got the blocky visuals to go away by selecting 'High Quality' for both texture and Mipmap detail. Lower than this instantly gave me various graphics problems. (2x perf for anisotropic and 4x for FSAA)..

pettera
12-06-2004, 01:48 PM
Thanks Hunter! You are my hero. It sure helped to turn off tripple buffering. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It is so frustrating to fiddle around with all the settings in the game, in the setup, in config file, and in the ATI controller and really don't have a clue. And all the time you get lots of suggestions about reistalling the driver.

So thank you for your simple suggestion that really solved it. So having you around is great. I promise to stick with ATI from now on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Petter

PS. Does anybody know of any - not to big - tutorial on graphics card settings. Would be nice to understand more about the settings and why my previous settings failed.

Hawggy
12-06-2004, 04:19 PM
To OLEG,

Thanx for the response man - Luckily by turning up my Catalyst AI to High, I am no longer having these problems (for now). I tested it for 4 hours straight with EXCELLENT results (as well as frame rate boosts). I understand ATi drivers not being the best for OpenGL. Hopefully they'll get it fixed soon.

Did I say for now? Yeah, that's what I thought I said. I hope we get new drivers soon.
http://www.mouselook.com/hosted/hawggy/nofun.jpg http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

pettera
12-08-2004, 01:41 AM
I see some weird graphical artefacts occasionally. Especially when playing online. Below is an example:
Graph error (http://www.nr.no/~pab/graphics-error.jpg)

The light blue patches is not water but some weird artefact. I also experience pieces of void skins (usually grey without any kind of reflections) on some planes occasionally - usually german for some reason.
I have also seen a white square in front of the sun. Dissapears when you look in an other direction. Finally I also saw a huge white square replacing ground in the distance last night.

The picture is from the merged install 3.02b playing online. I use 4.11 but installed 4.12b some time ago. Never had any problems that I can remember before I installed the 4.12b. Used a lot of effort to get rid of the 4.12b. I have an X800 XT pcie.

Are this known errors? And will they be adressed?

Petter

RocketDog
12-08-2004, 04:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pettera:
Are this known errors? And will they be adressed?

Petter <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Corrupted textures have been a problem with the 4.11 and 4.12 beta drivers. The 4.10 don't seem to have the problem, but also don't give the nice medium-blue colour to the water that the 4.11s yield.

It might be worth trying the 4.10 drivers if you find the corrupted textures annoying. The easiest way to swap them over is just to hit the ATi uninstall utility button under add/remove programs and then run the install package for the new drivers. You can even create a restore point in Win XP before you start so you can go straight back to 4.11 if you don't like the 4.10. Only in exceptional circumstances should you have to do anything more than the standard uninstall old/install new procedure.

Finally, Maddox posted that the ATi Catalyst developers are aware of the problem and a fix will become available. I guess as part of the 5.1 drivers for January next year.

Regards,

RocketDog.

Hawggy
12-13-2004, 05:10 PM
The 4.10's yielded the same results for me. It's juts a matter of time before I get that nasty crash. Sometimes I'm lucky, sometimes I'm not. Needless to say - we've got a weird issue on our hands if Maddox thinks that this is solely an ATi thing - nVidia users are feeling this one too. Something up with those maps that came with PF - this doesn't happen to me on the older ones with AEP and FB.

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
12-13-2004, 05:22 PM
hmm strange the only problems i do have since 3.02bm is that (by switching from Perfekt to excellent in Game [in Flight]) some textures dissapear, i than just have some sky-blue alimeter for example.
but when i restart the game i don't have any problems.

on the other hand the "horizon - Bug" on Perfekt seems fixed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

and i am still using the official supported Cat.4.11

fixed Horizon (http://home.arcor.de/sebastianleitiger/grab0000.jpg)