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Mescof1
07-28-2005, 06:04 PM
I prefer the early war planes. Can someone give me some good matchups for the 109E, especially Russian Planes.

I know the "e" saw limited use on the Russian Front.

What about the Yak 1 or the Mig 1940? Any advice is appreciated---thanks.


~S
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Achilles_NZ
07-28-2005, 06:23 PM
I love the 109E... Still getting to grips with the new flight model with the latest patch but try these.

Using the QMB, try going solo against:

2 "Average AI" I-16's, then gradually bump them up to "ACE"

The "E" can easily out run and out climb the I-16, so you can dictate the fight pretty much where and when to engage. Be prepared to spiral climb if you get one on your tail.

Same thing with the I-153

Mig-3's (early) burn really well too, but you will have a hard time keeping pace.

Yak-1, 7A &B, LaGG-3 can be quite challenging as well at higher AI levels.

The E model lacks the sheer grunt of the later F and G series so you need to keep your speed up, and retain the altitude advantage to stay competitive. But the twin 20mm cannons are lethal and should not be underestimated. Just watch your ammunition as you don€t carry a hell of a lot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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wayno7777
07-28-2005, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Achilles_NZ:
I love the 109E... Still getting to grips with the new flight model with the latest patch but try these.

Using the QMB, try going solo against:

2 "Average AI" I-16's, then gradually bump them up to "ACE"

The "E" can easily out run and out climb the I-16, so you can dictate the fight pretty much where and when to engage. Be prepared to spiral climb if you get one on your tail.

Same thing with the I-153

Mig-3's (early) burn really well too, but you will have a hard time keeping pace.

Yak-1, 7A &B, LaGG-3 can be quite challenging as well at higher AI levels.

The E model lacks the sheer grunt of the later F and G series so you need to keep your speed up, and retain the altitude advantage to stay competitive. But the twin 20mm cannons are lethal and should not be underestimated. Just watch your ammunition as you don€t carry a hell of a lot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Good answer!.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

karost
07-28-2005, 09:56 PM
Yes, Achilles_NZ point to a good answer
and I'll to add more trip for fun if you like to deal with AI ( ace with full switch or no icon ,no external view )

try 1 BF-109E vs 2xI-16 ACE(or "v") but select I-16 for two group each group has one I-16 plane , that will make I-16 AI flying like humen.

this setup will let you enjoy to play with defensive and offensive at the same time when they(AI) play a drag bag with you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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WTE_Warg
07-29-2005, 03:22 AM
A rough guide. One third of the fighters were E's on the Eastern front, at the start of Barbarossa. They were mainly with JG27 Army Group Centre, before they were transferred to the desert. Also with JG77 in the south. After this were used as jabo's or with Rumainian allies in the south. A few in the north also, but were being replaced. Some in the Artic (Murmansk area - Northern Finland), used till late 1942. Also some being used by JG51. Match ups? Well consider that around two thirds of the Russian fighters were I-16's at June, 1941 and only about 10% were the newer types. Mainly MiG's. Remainder were I-153's or older biplanes. Also worthwhile comparing to early western fighters as well such as Spitfire V, Hurricanes, P-40's, Moranes, P-11's, etc.

FlatSpinMan
07-29-2005, 07:39 AM
I think it's one of the loveliest 109s, especially in one of the great BoB or BoFrance skins from Cannon or Buglord. If you have the mission pack The Last Days there is a North African campaign where you go up against early Hurris and Spits. It's great fun. Can't remember the marks though.


Another campaign that uses it is bird_brain's El Alamein (German). I THINK that in the jagdflieger 1 campaign it is used, though it may be a G series. Both campaigns are available at
http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_campaigns_index.htm
Like Achilles_NZ, I'm happy with the weaponry. I find the big cannon on the later models like the K to be hard to hit with, though entertaining when I do. A few decent strikes with most guns should bring down any plane really.That's why I don't get all the fuss over ballistics modelling etc.

Enjoy the ride.

Mescof1
07-29-2005, 11:00 AM
Thanks for reply from all! Warg, you had good point; I never realized there were that many "E's" on the Eastern Front.

I don't think the Hurricane in FB matches up appropriately with the "E" according to the documents I've read.

I know it's probably not historically correct, but I'm begininng to come to the conclusion that the Spit V, 1941 is a close match as to what the acutal Spit I would have been. I may be wrong. Still testing.

Most of my testing has been at lower altitudes. Need to do some extensive testing at higher altitudes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the modeling or anything like that; the designers of fB obviously know more about FM's than I do.

I just like the E and want to find a plane to match with it, as historically as possible, where the victory comes down to pilot skills and not a tremedous advantage of one plane over the other.

~S

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WTE_Warg
07-29-2005, 07:07 PM
The E's that we have in the game are the later E models. The E4 was being introduced at the start of BOB, it had extra armour, slightly different cockpit, etc. E1 had 4 mgs, E2 a rarity with extra 20mm in prop hub that jammed and E3 was of similar config to E4. Most BOB Emils were E3's and the E1's were the first to be converted to jabos. E7 series were later improvements on the E4. Were also E5, 6, 8's for recon. The E was widely exported and some 109E's actually fought against the Germans, re: Swiss over the Jura Mtns, early June 40 and against the Yugoslav's in April 41. Have a dogfight mission on my webpage for the Swiss v Germans. Personally think the Hurri's match up well. You have the whole range of them MkI, IIB, IIB field mod & IIC and they held the line for quite awhile. Spitfire V's only reached Malta in about April 42 and the Western Desert in very late May 42 for the Gazala battles. The Brit's kept the Spits for home defence and leaning forward into the continent during 1941. Consequently, Spitfire MkI & II only in the British Isles. The Mk V had a bigger engine and had the edge on the Bf 109E, but they did encounter each other. The first F's ie. F2 started coming into service in late 1940, France first, ie. JG2 & 26, then the East and finally the desert. In the desert, this was a gradual process for JG27 starting from September 41 through to November with F2's then F4's for the Geshwaders three Gruppes. The old E's were then turned over to the jabo units. Hope this helps you. Oh yes, can also use the LaGG 3 ser4 as close approximation of the Dewoitine D.520, looks similar and engine had the same origins.
Webpage: http://members.optushome.com.au/~noseyparker/introduction.html
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PBNA-Boosher
07-29-2005, 07:32 PM
on it? Where?

WTE_Warg
07-29-2005, 07:56 PM
The Dogfight Missions page near the top. Is called "The Sound of Uzzi's". Not historical, more like Stuka's bombing the **** out of the Von Trapps. If you've seen that musical "The Sound of Music" (hasn't everybody),then you'll know what I mean. I've also seen some bloke named "Gaston" with a 1940 campaign based on the Swiss defending the Jurra Mountains.