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Airmail109
10-02-2006, 01:49 PM
Why is it that the United States Navy allow potential fighter pilots to undergo LASEK eye correction to get in, but the RAF dont....HELLLLOOOOO.....USN Navy Pilots are some of the best in the world....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

NAFP_supah
10-02-2006, 01:52 PM
Perhaps because of the risk of it weakening the blood vessels in your eye or something http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You can always go and fly civilian http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Airmail109
10-02-2006, 01:57 PM
Why would the USN allow it then, Im sure they wouldnt if they had any doubts about the safety of using Lasek on their potential pilots. Nahhhh id rather join the parachute regiment than become an airline pilot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

In fact...im quite liking that idea.

P.S I sincerely hope someone in the MOD reads this, seeing as you cant be arsed to write back to me.

Viper2005_
10-02-2006, 02:28 PM
The RAF doesn't need a lot of pilots these days since it doesn't have a lot of aeroplanes.

If it can meet its requirements without resorting to laser treatment then why shouldn't it?

I gave up on the FJ dream about 4 years ago now, and it sounds like you should too. There are other careers, and flying can still be your hobby. Heck you can even buy FJ time if you've got enough cash to burn.

Taylortony
10-02-2006, 05:09 PM
For what its worth, one of our Jag Pilots in Germany suffered a ruptured ear drum in a water skiing accident, even though he saw a specialist as the RAF would not do anything to sort him out flying wise and it healed he was grounded permanently..............................

Airmail109
10-02-2006, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
For what its worth, one of our Jag Pilots in Germany suffered a ruptured ear drum in a water skiing accident, even though he saw a specialist as the RAF would not do anything to sort him out flying wise and it healed he was grounded permanently..............................

Again, idiocy....ive seen RAF pilots flying so overweight they looked liked they were going to suffer a heart attack any moment.

Philipscdrw
10-02-2006, 05:39 PM
I suggest you move to another country, become a tyrannical dictator there, and build your own airforce. Then declare war on France.

(Yes, 'tyrannical dictator' is a tautology, I know. Sorry.)

LStarosta
10-02-2006, 08:15 PM
In the USAF, eye surgery is an automatic disqualifier, unless it is done by a surgeon approved by the USAF, and that means you need to have the procedure done AFTER you are commissioned not before. And even then I don't know what kind of procedures that allows.

I know I probably won't be a fighter pilot because of a muscle imbalance in one eye that was only discovered by an FAA medical examiner with the use of instruments, but as a Cadet, I'm still going to compete for my slot. If everything else works out, the worst I can get is a Navigator rating which is still among the top 5 most sought after career fields in the USAF, right up there with pilots, and intel.

TeufelHund84
10-02-2006, 08:20 PM
The Marine Corps is the same way, the only time you can have it is after you commission. Being an aviator isn't too high on my wishlist though (especially if you've ever seen me fly online http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif).

In any case I'm guessing this policy is the same throughout the U.S. military, and, as someone said before, if it was smaller like the RAF then they probably would make their recruiting and MOS assignment methods the same.

geetarman
10-02-2006, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
I suggest you move to another country, become a tyrannical dictator there, and build your own airforce. Then declare war on France.

(Yes, 'tyrannical dictator' is a tautology, I know. Sorry.)

Now THAT'S funny! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Best post in the last six months!!!!

BillyTheKid_22
10-02-2006, 10:29 PM
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Airmail109
10-03-2006, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
In the USAF, eye surgery is an automatic disqualifier, unless it is done by a surgeon approved by the USAF, and that means you need to have the procedure done AFTER you are commissioned not before. And even then I don't know what kind of procedures that allows.

I know I probably won't be a fighter pilot because of a muscle imbalance in one eye that was only discovered by an FAA medical examiner with the use of instruments, but as a Cadet, I'm still going to compete for my slot. If everything else works out, the worst I can get is a Navigator rating which is still among the top 5 most sought after career fields in the USAF, right up there with pilots, and intel.

Try for the USN! LOL @ Philipscrwdrw

Feathered_IV
10-03-2006, 05:25 AM
Ah well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I guess entering the USA via Canada and enlisting as an Alaskan is out of the question then.

LStarosta
10-03-2006, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
In the USAF, eye surgery is an automatic disqualifier, unless it is done by a surgeon approved by the USAF, and that means you need to have the procedure done AFTER you are commissioned not before. And even then I don't know what kind of procedures that allows.

I know I probably won't be a fighter pilot because of a muscle imbalance in one eye that was only discovered by an FAA medical examiner with the use of instruments, but as a Cadet, I'm still going to compete for my slot. If everything else works out, the worst I can get is a Navigator rating which is still among the top 5 most sought after career fields in the USAF, right up there with pilots, and intel.

Try for the USN! LOL @ Philipscrwdrw </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


With all due respect to the United States Navy, I would rather be a Marine than a Sailor.

On that note...

AIR POWER!!!

x6BL_Brando
10-03-2006, 06:25 AM
The situation in Britain is as follows. Any pilot, or pilot-candidate, can undergo laser sight-correction as long as they fund it themselves. This is just an in-house decision on the part of the (cash-strapped)MOD following an equally pragmatic response from the (even more cash-strapped) National Health Service.
In short, the MoD want a freebie....and the NHS (rightly in my opinion) told them to stuff it.

But I know of several pilots (through my Tornado-flying cousin) who have elected to take these treatments and footed the bill. It costs around 1000 for both eyes, less a small discount for servicemen.

The logic is quite clear. Potential pilots aren't pilots, and they may fail entry for any number of other reasons, and so treating them would be considered gambling with tax-payers' money.

Further - if I went for a job as a bricky or a carpenter in civvy life, I would be expected to bring my own tools - simple as that. We don't see our servicemen any differently, thank goodness. They do a job, they get housed, they get well paid for it - but chucking away a grand on applicants for pilot-hood is just wasteful.

It's like suggesting that applicants for the Guards Regiment should be funded for leg-extending surgery - ridiculous!

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LStarosta
10-03-2006, 07:07 AM
On another note, is there any sort of surgery to increase the height of your foot arches?

Ratsack
10-03-2006, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
On another note, is there any sort of surgery to increase the height of your foot arches?

Didn't Idi Amin have a procedure that could do that for you?

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cheers,
Ratsack

Airmail109
10-03-2006, 07:34 AM
I wasnt talking about the RAF funding it, I was talking about the RAF allowing potential pilots to get it so they can pass the eye sight requirements!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Last time I asked a recruting office why they wouldnt allow it, they said they were afraid your eyes would explode under high G basically. With he introduction of Lasek that arguemnt is bunk! So is it acceptable now? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

DuxCorvan
10-03-2006, 09:11 AM
In Spain, besides, it is necessary to be someone's cousin or brother-in-law. There are only five or six well-known military aristocratic surnames among pilots. I guess they all are family related, lol. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

whiteladder
10-03-2006, 09:46 AM
Last time I asked a recruting office why they wouldnt allow it, they said they were afraid your eyes would explode under high G basically. With he introduction of Lasek that arguemnt is bunk! So is it acceptable now?


The number of fast jet pilots in the RAF is quite small and the number of applicants quite high, so they can afford to be choosy. On a personal note I can understand the disappointment of not being able to follow a career path that someone has dreamed about from childhood, but as an UK tax payer I also want to see the investment made in training these pilots spent wisely.

Simple truth is the RAF can afford to require the very highest standards in education and fitness and health, and not justify their reasons to anyone.

P.S. I wouldn`t hold my breath about getting any response from the MOD, having worked for them they will see your request as very low priority.

Taylortony
10-03-2006, 11:54 AM
Remember, If you do get into the RAF as a Pilot candidate, you cannot be circumcised!

It is well known you have to be a complete pr*ck to be an RAF Officer...



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F6_Ace
10-03-2006, 12:04 PM
RAF pilots cannot see past an obscenely large and freshly waxed handlebar moustache anyway so what difference would good eyesight make?

Airmail109
10-03-2006, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by whiteladder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Last time I asked a recruting office why they wouldnt allow it, they said they were afraid your eyes would explode under high G basically. With he introduction of Lasek that arguemnt is bunk! So is it acceptable now?


The number of fast jet pilots in the RAF is quite small and the number of applicants quite high, so they can afford to be choosy. On a personal note I can understand the disappointment of not being able to follow a career path that someone has dreamed about from childhood, but as an UK tax payer I also want to see the investment made in training these pilots spent wisely.

Simple truth is the RAF can afford to require the very highest standards in education and fitness and health, and not justify their reasons to anyone.

P.S. I wouldn`t hold my breath about getting any response from the MOD, having worked for them they will see your request as very low priority. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what ive heard recently, the RAF and army have been having a problem with Pilot shortages. I dont know whether they have sorted that out now. Oh well its there loss, its a bit stupid seeing as i would pay for LASEK surgery myself...even at the SAME clinic in london as the one they send there fully trained pilots to if their eyes deteriorate. They have even been giving their pilots LASEK to improve their night vision. SO one wonders why they dont just allow it, especially if it increases their pool of potential applicants. Did you know that the USN have been saying that allowing LASEK has driven their standards up, as their is a larger pool of cadets...and so the standard for pilot ability has become much higher. Funny how things work hey.

In my opinion common sense isnt governing the MODs decision, instead a public school boy sense of elitism is.

Anyway, im just going to challenge RAF cottesmores squadron to Duals on LOMAC for charity....10 quid for every RAF fast jet pilot i shoot down. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif