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erco415
11-28-2007, 10:57 AM
Hey all, I took my son down to the range the other day to shoot .22s for the first time. Here's the result (25 yards):
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ercos-hangar/target.jpg
He shot three rifles; an old Daisy that was my wife's when she was a girl - ideally sized for a kid, a Ruger 10-22, and my Marlin with a scope. This target was shot with the Ruger and Marlin. He was shooting high with the Ruger. We didn't get a pick of the first target, as, unbeknownst to us, Mom was on the next bench and occasionally dropping a bull or two on his target. Sneaky Mom!

BlitzPig_DDT
11-28-2007, 11:04 AM
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BillyTheKid_22
11-28-2007, 11:15 AM
I have Gun Lics and Gun Range!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s37/bkid_01/NewPictures008b.jpg?t=1196274539



.338 Lapua



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bhunter2112
11-28-2007, 11:38 AM
nice - I have my eye on the new sig 556 rifle.

BillyTheKid_22
11-28-2007, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by bhunter2112:
nice - I have my eye on the new sig 556 rifle.



I KNOW!! very nice!!



http://www.gunclicks.com/blog/uploaded_images/SIG556-790845.jpg



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556 Bulgarian Krinkov SBR!!

han freak solo
11-28-2007, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by erco415:
Here's the result (25 yards):


C'mon! That's a 12 gauge blast, be sure.



kidding..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif



Great to hear your starting your son off with some good experiences with firearms. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-28-2007, 01:36 PM
The first time I shot real guns was when I was about 22, I was looking into getting a licence to carry (more for a baton than a gun but it's the same license). A local range was offering one of the required gun safety courses. After the "ground school" portion of the class we went to the range to shoot. We each had one of thier rental .38 revolvers and they had a variety of other semi-autos, all pistols. The distance to target was 30yds if I recall. After we were done shooting all the guns we examined our targets, the instructer asked me how long I had been shooting. I replied that I have never shot before, at which point he said some four letter words while he decided wether or not to believe me, then caled over the other instructors and said "hey, look at this". I had no Idea what was going on, apparently it's a little unusual to shoot about 130 rounds and have them all within a 4 inch cirle your first time out, lol.

P.S. No, I did not miss the target with all but two of them, lol, the target jumped with every shot I fired http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

han freak solo
11-28-2007, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I had no Idea what was going on, apparently it's a little unusual to shoot about 130 rounds and have them all within a 4 inch cirle your first time out, lol.

Got track? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

han freak solo
11-28-2007, 01:55 PM
What kind of Marlin, erco?

polak5
11-28-2007, 02:09 PM
Still remember when my dad took me to fire for the first time, wow that was like like 12 years ago!. Got to shoot his ruger and a .22 Viper he had given me for xmas.

Anyways, bet you guys had fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-28-2007, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I had no Idea what was going on, apparently it's a little unusual to shoot about 130 rounds and have them all within a 4 inch cirle your first time out, lol.

Got track? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol, I used to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I kept the target and hung it on my wall. Lost it when I moved though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. After posting that and proofreading it I realized that it does sound a bit like bs but there's nothing I can do about that so I won't be offended if noone beleives it, lol.

BillyTheKid_22
11-28-2007, 03:09 PM
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My Old Beretta .380 auto!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Taylortony
11-28-2007, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
I have Gun Lics and Gun Range!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s37/bkid_01/NewPictures008b.jpg?t=1196274539



.338 Lapua



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Ohh Look a rest and a butt rest too...... why not simply connect the trigger up to a laptop the wifi it back to your home, that way you dont even have to do a thing bar click the mouse http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Amazes me when u see people sitting in chairs with the guns set up like that so the skill of hitting the target has almost been totally taken out of the equation.........

Going back to My RAF days, I do remember that the IRA tried a similar thing but using a rocket launcher seated comfortably in their car...... they forgot there was the little and not a minor matter of blast and a lack of anywhere for it to go.... was not a lot left of the car or indeed themselves either..

I remember with Affection my musket...... absolutely the wrong weapon for the job, the 7.62mm SLR, killing range of over 3 miles and as every squadron was based in each corner of an Airfield it was a recipe for disaster. Any intruders dropping onto the field would mean that those shots fired at them that missed would be hitting the squadron opposite.... we figured out that if you dropped a Russian Mannequin dressed as a para, armed with a dummy rifle into the middle of the field and fitted with firecrackers, similar the ones used during the war by the British, then we would self exterminate each other..... you would be taking incoming from the other side of the field and would be returning the fire..... Mind you it was only 17 Squadron opposite, so no great loss there.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BadA1m
11-28-2007, 04:04 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Tony, the rests are not for testing shooting skill, there for testing the accuracy of the rifle with a given load, the whole idea is to take the human equation out. As an aside there are benchrest competitions, but those are more a test of the shooters gunbuilding and ammo loading skill than his shooting skill (much like drag racing)

erco415
11-28-2007, 04:56 PM
My Marlin is a model 81-DL with a Weaver 3x-6x adjustable scope.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ercos-hangar/Marlin.jpg
It's too heavy for my son except at a bench rest (the 10-22 is right at being too heavy for him to shoot). It's a great rifle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

buzz999_077
11-28-2007, 05:13 PM
Teach 'em young! It keeps them and the 2nd amendment safe! My favorite gun is a Winchester 94-22 magnum lever action. It fun and cheap to shoot. My older brother had one and I loved it. I got one about 12 years ago, good thing too I don't think you can get them new anymore.

na85
11-28-2007, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:

Ohh Look a rest and a butt rest too...... why not simply connect the trigger up to a laptop the wifi it back to your home, that way you dont even have to do a thing bar click the mouse http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Amazes me when u see people sitting in chairs with the guns set up like that so the skill of hitting the target has almost been totally taken out of the equation.........


Agree 100%, that's not shooting.

Ballistic4N6
11-28-2007, 07:01 PM
Gotta bench your rifle to tune it to determine the best case/powder/primer/bullet combination! Its like putting your hotrod on a dynometer to take out the driver inconsistencies to test the tune up, gearing, etc.
BadA1m is correct!
And so am I!
(God, I would love to have a private range like that!)

Skoshi Tiger
11-28-2007, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by buzz999_077:
Teach 'em young! It keeps them and the 2nd amendment safe! My favorite gun is a Winchester 94-22 magnum lever action. It fun and cheap to shoot. My older brother had one and I loved it. I got one about 12 years ago, good thing too I don't think you can get them new anymore.

Your right there! No ones too young to learn about shooting safety and responsible gun ownership. .... and they don't complain when you ask em to go grab you a beer!

buzz999_077
11-28-2007, 07:20 PM
If you have any higher caliber and get bored with punching holes in paper, save your milk jugs and fill them with water. Ka-Boom, man they blow up!
I used to have a .243, small but pretty high energy. It would make those milk jugs completely explode! Shot guns at close range do too, be care full or you get all wet.

han freak solo
11-28-2007, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by erco415:
My Marlin is a model 81-DL with a Weaver 3x-6x adjustable scope.
It's a great rifle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I love .22 rifles and pistols. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

The Marlin Golden 39AS I have is pictured below but I added a Williams 5D aperture sight a few months ago. Sweetest .22 I've ever owned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.lssdigital.com/lwpilot/marlin.jpg

BillyTheKid_22
11-28-2007, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by buzz999_077:
If you have any higher caliber and get bored with punching holes in paper, save your milk jugs and fill them with water. Ka-Boom, man they blow up!
I used to have a .243, small but pretty high energy. It would make those milk jugs completely explode! Shot guns at close range do too, be care full or you get all wet.



I have my New 243 Win 28" Pro Hunter Pistol barrel! I have my owner .338 Lapua rifle, .243 Win rifle, Rifle Marlin 444ss, old beretta .380 auto, .444 Marlin rifle, "COWBOY" Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme 12-gauge 2 rounds Double 3", other different few Old Classic and Old Cowboy, WW I and II Gun!! I ex-work My Uncle Ford's Gun Shop. I know and experince!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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Bo_Nidle
11-28-2007, 08:44 PM
I really envy you Yanks your right to bear arms.

On a holiday to Florida this year I visited the American Police Hall of Fame museum and spent a couple of hours on their range which was first class and very professional.

Finally got to shoot a Colt 1911a1 .45acp, (which did not disappoint me in any way!) a Sig 229 9mm and a Beretta Cx4 9mm carbine which was VERY accurate over 25 meters (showed the old L2a3 Sterling I used to carry as being sooooooo crude!).

A week later I went to a gun shop in Orlando which had its own range and fired a Glock 21 .40 (with a ported barrel to reduce recoil. Once I got the feel of the trigger I found this to be a very accurate pistol indeed), a Smith and Wesson 586 .357 magnum (I found that a little disappointing compared to the .45 acp which surprised me) and, I couldn't resist it, another 1911a1 this time a Springfield Armoury model.(I like the 1911a1 if you haven't guessed). The range there was not as sophisticated as the museum range (and not air conditioned so it was bloody warm!!) but the shop staff were great and I could have talked with them all day but the Mrs was getting bored.

My 16 year old son shot these handguns and proved himself a natural. My 13 year old son tried the 1911a1 but the recoil put him off. I loaded him one round to try (just in case he dropped it on the first shot) and after he fired he handed it back and said "No thanks!"

If I lived in the states I'd own quite a few firearms to say the least!

Unfortunately I live in the UK where, thanks to draconian gun laws, only criminals have guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I love the smell of gunsmoke in the morning!

Korolov1986
11-28-2007, 08:55 PM
At least you got to experience it, Bo_Nidle. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Seriously? You're a M1911 fan?

han freak solo
11-28-2007, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
a Smith and Wesson 586 .357 magnum (I found that a little disappointing compared to the .45 acp which surprised me)

Heavy barrel .357s are nice and easy shooters for people that are used to handguns. Usually very accurate, too.

I wish I had a 1911, too. I promised to make my last pistol purchase one of those, but somehow ended up with this . . .

http://www.lssdigital.com/lwpilot/92fs.jpg

D@mn the luck! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

BillyTheKid_22
11-28-2007, 09:16 PM
Long time ago, My uncle gave me. I have my owner Title gun and Colt 1911 .45 semi- automatic pistol. Long time, I keep my old Colt 1911 .45 semi-automatic pistol !! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

han freak solo
11-28-2007, 09:28 PM
Poking around the web I saw this Pistol Training Cube. Interesting $50.00 replacement for tin cans.

I'd shoot at it if someone else paid for it. Anyone tried these out before?

http://www.justshootmeproducts.com/ProductImages/standalone/SA-021-ORA_01.jpg

BillyTheKid_22
11-28-2007, 09:32 PM
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All time, I visit My Uncle at New Mexico. I ex- work My Uncle Ford's Home Back Shop. My Uncle Ford's Gun Shop at New Mexico. My Uncle's owner Lots of Gun!! http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

Korolov1986
11-28-2007, 10:47 PM
Wow! A clean gun shop! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Dagnabit
11-28-2007, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by erco415:
Hey all, I took my son down to the range the other day to shoot .22s for the first time. Here's the result (25 yards):
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ercos-hangar/target.jpg
He shot three rifles; an old Daisy that was my wife's when she was a girl - ideally sized for a kid, a Ruger 10-22, and my Marlin with a scope. This target was shot with the Ruger and Marlin. He was shooting high with the Ruger. We didn't get a pick of the first target, as, unbeknownst to us, Mom was on the next bench and occasionally dropping a bull or two on his target. Sneaky Mom!

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WTG erco and son!! Good looking target. It is good to educate the kids while they are young. Both of my kids were shooting before they were 5yrs. old. My son is now 19yrs old and has the beginnings of a nice collection. We both like the military calibers and styles. my daughter 17yrs old now, is also an avid shooter and hunter. She isnt as much into collecting, nut has an absolutly mint .303 SMLE, a Ruger 10/22, and a S&W mod.36 with 3"bbl. .38spcl. also mint.

Bo_nidle, I was deeply saddened a few years back when I learned that you guys in the UK were losing your gunrights. Back then I read that the National Rifle Association got together with many of the shooting/gun clubs over there and rescued thousands of guns that would otherwise have been destroyed. I think these guns mostly went for the price of shipping to many US shooters. My own feelings on the matter is that I would much rather see those guns in the hands of the original owners.

Talortony, I dont know if you have ever shot with scoped rifles or not, but to set up a scope properly, it is for all practical purposes a must have item. If one tries to set a zero for example, shooting off hand would take much longer, use alot more ammo, plus wear on your equipment. Where as you can get very close to zero with one shot form a bench rest, with perhaps a couple of more shots to fine tune everything. Many guns are capable of better accuracy than some people will ever get out of them. It isnt likely that the average shooter will shoot better offhand than they will from a rest. Yet even from a rest you still have to control your breathing, your trigger pull, and even your heartbeat can put you off a bit when shooting an accurate rifle at long ranges.

Dag

Skoshi Tiger
11-29-2007, 04:34 AM
During the gun buy back in Australia I lost my Winchester 1300XTR 12g pump gun. Nothing too special, but a good honest reliable gun. Unfortuanately my brother lost his Browning Auto-5 (a beautiful old gun, it was a complete sin to get distroy it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif!!!). All of them cut in half and sold for scrap! Now we've got a Labour government (last week end) who knows what will happen! In the past they've been extreamley reactionist and anti gun!

ViktorViktor
11-29-2007, 04:42 AM
I wonder if we had the same relationship to our weapons back in the days of bows and arrows ?

Skoshi Tiger
11-29-2007, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
I wonder if we had the same relationship to our weapons back in the days of bows and arrows ?

In the days of the bow and arrow, I think a man would be spending a great deal of his 'spare' time fussing over his weapons getting to know them intimately, learning their limitations, improving and perfecting his skills.

What is missing from most of us (Service men and law enforcement officers excluded) is the importance that our predecessors placed on those skills.

It was literally life or death in those days. I personally think that we inherited a bit of that in our genes. Except now-a-days anyone who looks too interested in the very same things is labeled a wacko gun-nut.

erco415
11-29-2007, 11:14 AM
Thanks All! We're going to try and get out again, maybe this weekend. I've got a .22 Colt pistol that I'm thinking about letting him try.

I'm sorry to hear that so many of you have lost your firearms. My first gun was an Eastern Arms 20 gauge break action, that my Grandfather gave to me. Back when my Mom was a kid, that gun put food on the table year round. (Yeah, they were out in the boonies and the game wardens didn't hassle the folks hunting to eat.) Someday, it'll belong to my son or grandson - or granddaughter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Jagdgeschwader2
11-29-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
a Smith and Wesson 586 .357 magnum (I found that a little disappointing compared to the .45 acp which surprised me)

Heavy barrel .357s are nice and easy shooters for people that are used to handguns. Usually very accurate, too.

I wish I had a 1911, too. I promised to make my last pistol purchase one of those, but somehow ended up with this . . .

http://www.lssdigital.com/lwpilot/92fs.jpg

D@mn the luck! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice Berreta! I wish I still had my Browning High Power.

Nice to see the shooting sport passed on to the younger generation erco. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


I've got the Colt Commander. I hope to get some mods done to it soon. I used to have a government model ,but I traded it off.
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Choctaw111
11-29-2007, 06:00 PM
I have a custom Remington model 7 chambered for .350 Remington Magnum topped with a Leupold Vari-X III. I have had it for many years and use it for hunting.
Since I had it handy I thought I would take a photo of my sidearm. I like it very much and it shoots very well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/USP1.jpg

ElAurens
11-29-2007, 06:14 PM
Patiently waiting for FN to release the new FNP 45.

As to .22s my personal favorite is my "Bonehill" Martini. A .577/450 Martini Henry Mk.II, converted to a .22 configuration around 1900 by C.G.Bonehill of Birmingham, for the Society of British Miniature Arms. It looks exactly like a standard Martini Henry, but fires .22 long rifle.

Always fun to take it to the range and not let anyone see the ammo. You should see their expressions when instead of a big bang there is the tiny "pop!" of a .22.

Airmail109
11-29-2007, 06:46 PM
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BSS_Sniper
11-29-2007, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
I have Gun Lics and Gun Range!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s37/bkid_01/NewPictures008b.jpg?t=1196274539



.338 Lapua



http://members.atlantic.net/~scoop10/Outanim_bullet.gif

Ohh Look a rest and a butt rest too...... why not simply connect the trigger up to a laptop the wifi it back to your home, that way you dont even have to do a thing bar click the mouse http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Amazes me when u see people sitting in chairs with the guns set up like that so the skill of hitting the target has almost been totally taken out of the equation......... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More times than not, that is used to zero the scope and/or sights. After that, it shouldn't be used. So more than likely, he was zeroing.

Kauzio
11-29-2007, 07:13 PM
Dangerous weapons have no place in society, in my opinion.

Still wish I could play with one though...

BSS_Sniper
11-29-2007, 07:19 PM
Still two of my fav weapons.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/lifeguardhall/1435.jpg
M107

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/lifeguardhall/bunker21.jpg
M24 with PVS10

han freak solo
11-29-2007, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Kauzio:
Dangerous weapons have no place in society, in my opinion.

Still wish I could play with one though...

I thought this gun thread might slip through easy this time with all the fervor of the hack/mod threads going on. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

madsarmy
11-30-2007, 02:33 AM
I wish we had USA prices here in the UK.
My Leupold scopes would have only cost me $199. What I had to pay here in the UK is equivalent to $478
I've stopped looking at Cabela's. I makes me http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/tommybomb/puke02.gif?t=1196415171

ViktorViktor
11-30-2007, 12:46 PM
I am not a gun enthusiast, but then I didn't fire a real rifle until I was about 16 years old (via a weapon safety course at high school). I was a pretty lousy shot, which was embarassing for me cuz my dad was an ex-WW II paratrooper who qualified for a marksmanship badge every time he went down to the firing range (so he says).

How old were you all the first time you fired a rifle and how did the shooting go ?

HotelBushranger
11-30-2007, 09:48 PM
First shot would have been at about 14/15, last year came third in an AAFC state firearms competition, firing .22's (yeah I know - peashooters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif). I'm also qualified on the Austeyr, the Aussie Armys rifle, whilst I don't have much firearms experience I think its a good rifle, in terms of reliability, reasonable accuracy etc. I've also shot Browning HP 9mm, now that was FUN!

BaldieJr
11-30-2007, 10:11 PM
my first shots were on a 20gauge and i hated it. nearly put me off guns for good.

in high school, some friends turned me on to sniping bottles with a .22lr. fun times.

still not a gun fan though. i'd like to keep a shotgun around the house for protection but i hear making them short is against the law.

Niipzu
12-01-2007, 01:56 AM
My first real shots (other than bb) were in the army. With my beloved RK95, on the range.. I really liked, enjoyed shooting. The feel of power is really addicting. Thou I havent fired ever since my military service.

I was issued with RK 95 TP, a really badass AK47 derivative, arguably one of the best assault rifles in 7.62x39mm. Very easy to land hits at 150m within 10cm.

And it hadnt lost the reliability of AK47; once we advanced more than a mile in dusty sand, dipping the rifle several times seriously deep in the sand (not the barrel of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). Somehow it just kept working. In the last phase of the exersice the selector got stuck in the single shot. Anyway, i was signalled to carry on and still it just kept firing like nothing. Man, it took a little while to clear all the sand from the box http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1113200355_IMG_7468.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/Assembled_7.62_RK_95_TP.jpg

Of course I also trained with various other assault rifles, MPs, pistols, shotguns, (H)MGs etc.. But the 95 just felt so right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

That's me:

http://koti.phnet.fi/lusilja/intti/me02.jpg

Choctaw111
12-01-2007, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
First shot would have been at about 14/15, last year came third in an AAFC state firearms competition, firing .22's (yeah I know - peashooters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif). I'm also qualified on the Austeyr, the Aussie Armys rifle, whilst I don't have much firearms experience I think its a good rifle, in terms of reliability, reasonable accuracy etc. I've also shot Browning HP 9mm, now that was FUN!

Browning Hi-Power you say? Here's my baby and I having a little fun in my back yard. Full Auto baby!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccou...current=HiPower1.flv (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/Hi-Power/?action=view&current=HiPower1.flv)

han freak solo
12-01-2007, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
How old were you all the first time you fired a rifle and how did the shooting go ?

7 years old with my dad's semi-auto .22 rifle. My Grandparents back then always had access to land in the country which provided plenty of space for shooting or hunting.

Not much older than that, when I was a Cub Scout, my troop leader would take us all to the local gun range and shoot our father's .22s some more. Then the Boy Scouts offered more shooting as well. Plus, there was always hunting available throughout.

Back then, I actually grew quite bored of shooting once I got my 1st car and I totally focused on girls. I finally purchased my first firearm at age 28 which happened to be a brand new, Chinese issue SKS w/ 20" barrel. I didn't even know what it was because it's model name in 1993 was "Cowboy Companion". Yeah, right! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

From the 1994 Guns & Ammo Annual-
http://www.lssdigital.com/lwpilot/sks.jpg

ElAurens
12-01-2007, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
i'd like to keep a shotgun around the house for protection but i hear making them short is against the law.

Baldy, the minimum barrel length for long guns in the United States is 18 inches.

There are many 12 ga. pump shotguns available in this configuration. They are perfect "house guns".

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/shotgun/smsil_870xcs.jpg

Remington 870 XCS Marine Magnum (http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_870/model_870_xcs_marine_magnum.asp)

Or for less money the Mossberg 500 series has several models in that barrel length.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

han freak solo
12-01-2007, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
still not a gun fan though. i'd like to keep a shotgun around the house for protection but i hear making them short is against the law.

"In the United States, it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a barrel length less than 18 in. or 46 cm and an overall length less than 26 inches) without a tax-stamped permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, which requires an extensive background check and a $200 fee for every transfer. (Short-barreled blackpowder shotguns, in contrast, are not illegal, by federal law, and require no tax-stamped permit, although they may be illegal under state law.) A new tax stamp must be purchased with every transfer of a modern smokeless powder short-barrelled shotgun, and transfers must be made through a Class III Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealer. (See National Firearms Act.)" -from Wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawed-off_shotgun)

I wanna say that I remember something about a person is not allowed to convert a shotgun to the legal minimum length. Something about having a gunsmith having to do it. My memory is weak on that subject though.

You can get legal short shotguns brand new from the manufacturer. Such as this Mossberg.
http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=28&section=products

http://www.ammunitionstore.com/Images/Firearms/G048/G048.jpg

Hydra454
12-01-2007, 09:53 PM
I'm more into WW2 era rifles.I own a K98,Mosin,and a Garand.I have some other ones but the K98 and Mosin are my favorites in my collection(arsenal?lol).

Bo_Nidle
12-02-2007, 07:09 AM
First proper rifle I fired was in the Territorial Army (the UK equivalent of the National Guard)

First was the L1a1 SLR (The British designation for the FN FAL with a few differences: Semi-auto only, cocking handle folds down, different shaped carrying handle (which got you a bollocking if you used it!) and different flash-suppressor) in 7.62mm

http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/shop/images/gun5a.jpg

Then the L7a1 GPMG (FN Mag) affectionately known as the "Jimpy" also in 7.62mm----BIG fun!

http://www.fmft.net/Jimpie.jpg

On becoming an RAF Policeman we were issued the L2a3 Sterling 9mm SMG ( affectinately known as the "Smudge"). Very crude, basically a modified Sten gun. Not the most accurate weapon in the world but reliable.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/3/33/Sterling01.jpg

Probably best known as the weapon of Star Wars Imperial Stormtroopers with a short mag fitted.


We then got issued the L4a4 LMG which is a WW2 Bren gun rechambered from .303 to 7.62mm. They literally had the Bren designation on the receiver crossed out and L4a4 LMG written in below. The one we used was manufactured in 1944! This was in 1984-85! That said it was very reliable and bloody accurate. If you stood it on its butt and grabbed the flash suppressor you could shake it by its barrel which rattled. Apparently this was done deliberately to allow a bit of spread on the target due to its extraordinary accuracy.

http://www.encyclopedie-des-armes.com/images/stories/mitrailleuseM/l4a4.jpg

We were also issued the L9a1 Browning P-35 "Hi-Power" (never really understood that name as it was only a 9mm ?) The final design of John Moses Browning in 1927 so it had a good pedigree.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/values/GAvalues10_123104C.jpg

I left the forces in 1986 just as the L85 rifle was about to be brought into service and did attend a few pre-introduction lectures on it. I never used it but I don't think I missed much.

Since then my shooting has been restricted by UK gun laws ( really effective they are too. Armed crime in the UK has only risen 400% since the bans http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

I used to be an avid clay pigeon shooter until the arrival of the kids curtailed that expense. I have had a dabble with an Hk MP5 since but that's it until my latest visit to the USA.

Choctaw111
12-02-2007, 11:40 AM
The FN MAG is great fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif We call it the M-240.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/MeandMowery.jpg

Messaschnitzel
12-02-2007, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Kauzio:
Dangerous weapons have no place in society, in my opinion.

Still wish I could play with one though...

I agree completely.

As a responsible society, we really need to get all of these dangerous automobiles and their drivers off of our world's freeways and streets.

The people that still feel the need for speed and get there really fast can use public transportation! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ElAurens
12-02-2007, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
We were also issued the L9a1 Browning P-35 "Hi-Power" (never really understood that name as it was only a 9mm ?)

The High Power was named so because of it's large (for the time) 13 round magazine capacity.

It remains one of the best 9mm pistols to this day.

Choctaw111
12-02-2007, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
We were also issued the L9a1 Browning P-35 "Hi-Power" (never really understood that name as it was only a 9mm ?)

The High Power was named so because of it's large (for the time) 13 round magazine capacity.

It remains one of the best 9mm pistols to this day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a nice 18 round mag for mine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and she goes through it in about 1 second.

arthursmedley
12-02-2007, 05:22 PM
Hey, boneidle,
In the RM the naughtiest thing you could do with an slr was make it fully auto with the help of a piece of cardboard! Smacked botty time!

I used to think the slr a wonderful bit of kit until I used an M16 and realised a decent rifle didnt have to give you a hernia aswell!

The Stirling smg; surely one the the nastiest sidearms ever produced.
Good for shooting a; your feet, or
b; your friends.

Bo_Nidle
12-03-2007, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by arthursmedley:
Hey, boneidle,
In the RM the naughtiest thing you could do with an slr was make it fully auto with the help of a piece of cardboard! Smacked botty time!


I had heard of this being done. I assumed it jammed the sear/disconnector. One thing I was curious about: Did this cause the entire mag to be expended in one pull of the trigger or could you still fire a controlled burst...well, as controlled as a 7.62mm rifle on full auto could be!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

HotelBushranger
12-03-2007, 06:17 AM
I'm envious Niipzu, I think the RK95's are flippin sexy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSS_AIJO
12-03-2007, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
At least you got to experience it, Bo_Nidle. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Seriously? You're a M1911 fan?

8^)

To become a M1911 fan you only need to shoot it once.

I have been around the block a few times.. I cannot hit anything with a glock..

I really like the Sig's as when I point at things they get holes in them where I want them to.

Hk, are pretty much the same story..

Then I tried a 1911..

I now have a Taurus 1911 under the bed next to a full clip..

I take it to the range a minimum of once month, and it just keeps getting better.. A buddy of mine is trying to decide what to get he put 200 rounds of not hitting squat through a Glock and a Sig, I handed him the Taurus and he was suddenly making nice tight groups..

the 1911 rules, it is Loud, the recoil is very handelable, the controls are easy to reach, it feels good in your hand and it makes plenty big holes in things. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I got the Taurus instead of the kimber for two reasons... The Taurus was loads cheeper, and in shooting I did not notice enough of a difference to justify the price...

the 1911 is a hell of a fun gun at the range.. These days most other folks are shooting much smaller stuff.. Lots of 9mm casings in the bucket... Those go pop.. The 45 sounds more like a really angry dog barking in comparison.. 8^)

That tends to get folks attention, then when they see you filling the head of the silhouette with holes they tend to just stand there and stare at you till its reload time then they grin and wave..

as for the smell of gunsmoke..


yes!!!

except for when I go outside my house and smell it..


BSS_AIJO

Korolov1986
12-03-2007, 02:44 PM
The 1911 I tried once was mostly a cheap-as-dirt clone and I was using ammo from the '50s (steel cased, etc). The target I shot at was only 15 meters out and the rounds were all hitting the bottom of the target! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'd like to get my hands on a reasonable .45 sometime, but it won't be in the near future - just not enough budget.

han freak solo
12-03-2007, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
I'd like to get my hands on a reasonable .45 sometime, but it won't be in the near future - just not enough budget.

+1

For me it's either gonna be a .45 1911 or a new PC in the next year. Since I have 9 firearms and my PC is 4-1/2 years old . . . . I'm gonna have to go with a PC. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

ElAurens
12-03-2007, 03:58 PM
Interesting, I gave up on 1911s because any way you look at it it's gonna cost you a grand to have one that works right. I looked at the Taurus 1911 clone, but my local shop has had a 50% return rate on them for various problems. glad yo got a good one AIJO. It's funny, I'm better with a Glock 21 or 36 than I am with a 1911 or a Sig. Currently waiting on FN to release the FNP 45, as I am quite happy with my FNP 40.

BillyTheKid_22
12-03-2007, 05:10 PM
I buyed New Browning Pro-40 SS/Poly 40 S&W 10+1 FS!! VERY GOOD!! Seriuos!! My friend Army MP Major John's owner Private Gun Shop at Foss, Oklahoma. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif My friend He is very Good man!!

ElAurens
12-03-2007, 05:18 PM
Essentially the same as my FNP 40, with a slightly different safety/de-cocker system.

Oh and mine is 14+1...

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BillyTheKid_22
12-03-2007, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Essentially the same as my FNP 40, with a slightly different safety/de-cocker system.

Oh and mine is 14+1...

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



I know very good FNP 40 14+1 !! Cool!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Messaschnitzel
12-03-2007, 06:02 PM
My father used to have two model 1911's in .45 and .38 super. Being a skinny little kid then, I could control the .38 super a lot better than the .45.

The absolute and only time in my life that I came really close to having a permanent accident, firearms-wise was with a .45 when I was 12 or 13 years old. I grew up in a rural area where there was a lot of hunting and general shooting going on. I was over at a friend's house when he asked me if I wanted to go do some plinking. I had my 30-06 with me when I stopped off at his house because I had been hunting that morning with no luck. I didn't have a whole lot of ammunition with me to begin with, so my friend said that I could borrow his dad's .45. When I was in the house, I heard two shots with the .45 outside. When I went outside, my friend handed me the pistol with its belt and holster, and Off we went.

After a while, we were standing on an old concrete bridge with me on one side and my friend on the other. When I finally ran out of 30-06, I got out the .45. I remember that I fired 5 times and I lowered the pistol to my side. There was this really loud, echoing noise because we were standing on the bridge. I turned around and my friend was giving me this quizzical look. I know that I was giving him the same look when I asked what was he doing shooting my way. He said, "I didn't shoot."

I looked down next to my right foot and there was a cone shaped, saucer sized piece of asphalt missing. I didn't know that my friend had reloaded two rounds back into the magazine. That really put a damper on the day's fun and we went back to his house.

When we got back, his father said that he forgot to mention to my friend that he had the trigger worked on.

I have been very careful ever since then. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BillyTheKid_22
12-03-2007, 06:32 PM
My Grandfather Jack retired Chief Mangum Police from Mangum, Oklahoma and WW 2 U.S Army. My Grandfather Jack gave me. I have my colt 1911 A1 US Army .45 caliber pistol. Old Classic!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bo_Nidle
12-03-2007, 09:15 PM
Found this photo of me on the gunshop range in Orlando taken by my eldest lad.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/BoNidle/1911.jpg

The impact marks on the plating near the roof were a little disconcerting! (As was the graphic evidence of hairloss!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif)

I found both of the 1911's I used to be very accurate. You can just make out four shots in the centre of the target.The flyer in the top left edge of the silhouettes head was from my youngest lads single try with it. I think the target was between 10 and 15 meters away.

The first 1911 I used at the Police museum, a Colt, performed flawlessly with factory loaded FMJ ball type ammo, but the one I'm holding here, a Springfield Armory if I recall rightly, was using lead semi-wadcutters in reloaded ammo and was a lot more smokey than the Fiocchi ammo. I had two failures to eject in 50 rounds. However the gun appeared very dirty from previous users.

Having used 9mm in the forces and being taught to double-tap to make up for the lack of power in the military FMJ round I felt that the .45 gave a lot more confidence about its ability to stop an opponent and was a pleasure to shoot too.

If I was able to own a handgun it would be at the top of my list. (Closely followed by a S&W Model 29 which I've always wanted...for no other reason than I've been a fan of "Dirty Harry" since I first saw it in 1978 when I was 16! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)
This nickel plated Model 29 was on display in the Police museum:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/BoNidle/m29.jpg

I'm hoping to go back to the States in the next couple of years taking in the West Coast and Las Vegas. There's a certain gunshop in Vegas in which I intend to spend the day and a couple of hundred quid !!!!!!!!!

erco415
12-04-2007, 06:50 AM
Bo, are you talking about the shop in Vegas that rents the fully automatic stuff? If you are, I've been there -GREAT FUN!
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ercos-hangar/Steve.jpg

This isn't me. If the guy in the picture (my co-captain) had steadier hands, it would be me with a Thompson. But you get the idea!

Bo_Nidle
12-04-2007, 10:42 AM
THAT'S the place baby!!!!

It is my sworn intent to work my way systematically through their rental firearms!

If I don't come out with battle fatigue then I'm going round again!!!!!

han freak solo
12-04-2007, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
THAT'S the place baby!!!!

There's an old gun range in Pasadena, Texas that rents full auto stuff as well. It's one of the rattiest ranges I've been too, but always fun.

I got to shoot the Thompson full auto there. 25 rounds in about 2-1/2 seconds (counting in my head). Great, great, fun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

arthursmedley
12-04-2007, 04:58 PM
Hallo Boneidle,
Slr on full auto?
I've never done it myself but a w/i corporal on a range demonstrated it during his 'why you should never do this' lecture!

The effect was very similar to Chocktaw's hilarious Browning 9mm video.

Apparently it gave the bolt and carrier too much of a battering, wore the barrel chroming prematurely and cracked the gas tube. Thus rendering your weapon u/s. A very deep sin for a rifleman.

Personally I think that was all bollox. The FN rifle is a really nice bit of kit. Everything is machined. No stampings, pressings or castings - no skimping.

It's just that we're British and were expected to get on with it without an American level of logistic support. Full auto means more ammo, more trucks, more men, aaarghhhh...more money!

In 45 commando RM, our 'proper' job was to hold up the Russians in Norway for - I think -6 hours, equiped with rifle, geepy ammo and/or mortar rounds, etc. Oh yeah, on skis.

Stop laughing at the back there!

erco415
12-04-2007, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
THAT'S the place baby!!!!

It is my sworn intent to work my way systematically through their rental firearms!

If I don't come out with battle fatigue then I'm going round again!!!!!

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ercos-hangar/MeThompson.jpg

When you go there, with each gun you 'rent', you have the option to purchase additional clips up front at a discount. whatever you may be thinking, DO THIS. Trust me.

That Thompson I'm holding shot more rounds than any other gun there, without a stoppage. Except for M4 and the M240 (?, it's been awhile), which also had no stoppages, but didn't fire as much. Also, I found it very easy to keep on target. If I ever got money to burn, I'll be getting one.

IIRC, the first time I went shooting was with the Scouts as part of a hunter safety course that the VFW put on. They had a range in the VFW hall basement where we shot these heavy barrel single shot .22s. (Lord, that floor was hard shooting prone.) What really stands out in my memory was the first session upstairs in the VFW hall. All the VFW guys brought their gun collections out, and man, it'd make you weep to have seen all the stuff they had. But what got our attention was the opening talk from the guy running the program. He stood up in front of all us kids and Dads and Granddads, talking about gun safety while holding a 30.06 (I forget the make). Towards the end of his speech, while talking about why it's important to always point the gun in a safe direction, he mounts the rifle , pointing it at the wall (talking all the while) and KA-BLAM!!! Ho-lee carp was that loud in the hall and man kids were flying up out of their chairs and the adults were chuckling cause they all knew what was coming from the way he held the rifle. Man, one blank and none of us EVER forgot to treat every gun like it was loaded.

BSS Aijo, I know what you mean about having something bark at the range. I take my Turkish Mauser out now and then. It's funny. It's Crack! Bang! and then the Mauser BOOM!!! Everyone stops and looks, "What the heck was that?" That dang gun, I got it for $89, bayonet and everything plus 100rounds of Egyptian ammo. I was shooting out at a makeshift range one day, at an old tree stump. I couldn't figure why everyone else seemed to be hitting when I couldn't. Dust would kick up, but that old stump wasn't rocking when I was firing. Turns out that full-jacket surplus ammo was just punching right through that stump without disturbing it much. Man, you gotta like pain though - it leaves you black and blue!