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general_kalle
08-30-2009, 09:43 AM
an Su27 UB (two seater) Crashed at the airshow today. both pilots died http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu4QfvLgjik)

RIP.

Scolar
08-30-2009, 10:27 AM
They should be more careful!

F0_Dark_P
08-30-2009, 01:09 PM
R.I.P http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But why did they not eject?..

The_Stealth_Owl
08-30-2009, 01:19 PM
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na85
08-30-2009, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
R.I.P http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But why did they not eject?..

They might not have realized they were going to impact until it was too late.

Waldo.Pepper
08-30-2009, 06:40 PM
Katastrofa indeed.

Flight_boy1990
08-31-2009, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
R.I.P http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But why did they not eject?..

Because,the law in here in eastern Europe,is that if you eject,your spine will be injured and won't be able to handle the high G's normally or sustain heavy pressure because of different altitudes or maneuvering.So in order to save the pilot/pilots from spending their remaining life in a wheelchair,they're suspending them from flying supersonic aircrafts.
And noone that made it to the airforce will want that to happen to him,so they're trying to recover the aircraft untill the last second.
Also in here we're not wasting aircrafts and materials.So most of the pilots who died in the east european coutries,unfortunately died in vein while trying to recover and save their aircraft and their carrier.

Treetop64
08-31-2009, 01:40 AM
I seriously doubt those pilots were thinking about some law at the time. The claim sounds dubious at best.. . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

But these guys do make an honest effort, to the last, of saving the aircraft - or the people below - before finally deciding to eject. Sometimes they just don't get out in time.

This incident looks scarily similar to that very terrible Su-27 airshow crash in Ukraine in 2002. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

danjama
08-31-2009, 12:47 PM
Sorry for the pilots families.

ImMoreBetter
08-31-2009, 12:48 PM
From what I gathered, the pilots radioed into the tower about ejecting, but stayed in the plane to prevent it from crashing into a group of houses.

Google maps seems to agree. The airfield itself has houses and buildings on three sides, the only side that doesn't does not have a tree line like seen in the video.

In any case, rest in peace. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Flight_boy1990
08-31-2009, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
I seriously doubt those pilots were thinking about some law at the time. The claim sounds dubious at best.. .

Debious?

Ask a real fighter pilot that flew Mig-21;29 or Sukhoy,and you'll be amazed by the answer.
I know a guy that was grounded for this.He is a friend of my family.
His Mig-21 entered into a CB,where anything against the physics' laws is happening.
In a split second,his Mig-21 was kicked inverted and stalled.He tried to regain control in a 4 thousand meters descend while spinning with his head pointing downwards,when he was finally forced to eject up side down.
They've found him half a day latter in a cluster field.He spent the next 6-7 months in the hospital,in a bed filled with medical gypsum.
His spine was injured from the ejection,and most of his bones were broken by the CB turbulences,and of course the landing.Since he landed unconscious.

Now i guess you see,why some pilots are not so fast on the ejection pull.

Anyway,this is O/T here and definitely is not the subject of this thread.
It's a huge tragedy.
My condolences to the families of the pilots.

waffen-79
09-01-2009, 08:36 AM
R.I.P.

one always fascinates about the pleasure of flying forgeting it can be sometimes fatal

rnzoli
09-01-2009, 02:16 PM
The more interesting thing is that this Su-27 also seems to snap-stall before the crash, in climbing phase, just like it did in Ukraine. From there, lack of altitude guarantees the crash. I vaguely remember that there is an AoA limiter in these birds, could it be the pilots trust it far too much? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Treetop64
09-02-2009, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
I seriously doubt those pilots were thinking about some law at the time. The claim sounds dubious at best.. .

Debious?

Ask a real fighter pilot that flew Mig-21;29 or Sukhoy,and you'll be amazed by the answer.
I know a guy that was grounded for this.He is a friend of my family.
His Mig-21 entered into a CB,where anything against the physics' laws is happening.
In a split second,his Mig-21 was kicked inverted and stalled.He tried to regain control in a 4 thousand meters descend while spinning with his head pointing downwards,when he was finally forced to eject up side down.
They've found him half a day latter in a cluster field.He spent the next 6-7 months in the hospital,in a bed filled with medical gypsum.
His spine was injured from the ejection,and most of his bones were broken by the CB turbulences,and of course the landing.Since he landed unconscious.

Now i guess you see,why some pilots are not so fast on the ejection pull.

Anyway,this is O/T here and definitely is not the subject of this thread.
It's a huge tragedy.
My condolences to the families of the pilots. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was disputing the "law" you mentioned, not the likelihood of injuries during an ejection...

Saburo_0
09-05-2009, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
I seriously doubt those pilots were thinking about some law at the time. The claim sounds dubious at best.. .

Debious?

Ask a real fighter pilot that flew Mig-21;29 or Sukhoy,and you'll be amazed by the answer.
I know a guy that was grounded for this.He is a friend of my family.
His Mig-21 entered into a CB,where anything against the physics' laws is happening.
In a split second,his Mig-21 was kicked inverted and stalled.He tried to regain control in a 4 thousand meters descend while spinning with his head pointing downwards,when he was finally forced to eject up side down.
They've found him half a day latter in a cluster field.He spent the next 6-7 months in the hospital,in a bed filled with medical gypsum.
His spine was injured from the ejection,and most of his bones were broken by the CB turbulences,and of course the landing.Since he landed unconscious.

Now i guess you see,why some pilots are not so fast on the ejection pull.

Anyway,this is O/T here and definitely is not the subject of this thread.
It's a huge tragedy.
My condolences to the families of the pilots. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was disputing the "law" you mentioned, not the likelihood of injuries during an ejection... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jeez Treetop, he's writing in a 2nd language, don't you have the verbal skills to understand what he his trying to convey? Or do you just really need to sterotype and put down whole groups of people to feel decent about yourself?

Bremspropeller
09-05-2009, 09:57 AM
The more interesting thing is that this Su-27 also seems to snap-stall before the crash, in climbing phase, just like it did in Ukraine. From there, lack of altitude guarantees the crash. I vaguely remember that there is an AoA limiter in these birds, could it be the pilots trust it far too much?

They're doing a tight barrel-roll, not a "snap-stall".
You can actually see them riding the AoA-limiter all the way down.

There is lots of drag involved in this maneuver and even with high T/W ratios, it takes a couple of seconds to accelerate out of the "edge".
The Su-27 at Lviv was too heavy and too low for that kind of maneuver.
Dunno about this one yet.


Now i guess you see,why some pilots are not so fast on the ejection pull.


Not sure which model your friend flew, but the KM-1 seats of most MiG-21 models are prone to spine-injuries during ejection.

Tully__
09-05-2009, 05:05 PM
Some of you are disgusting. Your posts and responses to them have been removed and the actual offender(s) will receive a warning by private topic.

Flightboy, Treetop, you've made your points, let's leave that where it is too.

RIP to the aircrew and my condolences to their families and friends.

Blutarski2004
09-08-2009, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Tully__:
Some of you are disgusting. Your posts and responses to them have been removed and the actual offender(s) will receive a warning by private topic.

Flightboy, Treetop, you've made your points, let's leave that where it is too.

RIP to the aircrew and my condolences to their families and friends.


..... Indeed, I prefer to believe that the pilots rode it in to preserve innocent lives. It's never a good day when something like this happens.

Blutarski2004
09-08-2009, 01:24 PM
I noticed in watching another Youtube video clip of the accident by Harrier78 that the a/c emitted an unusual plume of black exhaust smoke at the 2:49 mark, just before the crash. This had not been evident at any other point in the flight, even in the extreme video close-ups.

My guess is that the a/c may have suffered a sudden reduction or loss of thrust at that point which prevented it from powering out of the maneuver and caused it to "mush in".