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Jabout
10-11-2008, 08:52 AM
I would like to get something a step up from the CH/Saiter plastic.

Any suggestions gratefully received http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jayhall0315
10-11-2008, 09:32 AM
Well you indicate you would like a step up but many people including hard core flight sim fans have found great success with the CH Products Pro Pedals (USB connection). I have them and they work great (although I prefer the CH Pro Throttle when doing only dogfighting). The Pro Pedals are pretty tough and can usually take a fair amount of abuse.

Some veterans like Bearcat recommend the Simply Ed pedals but I believe they are no longer being made, so not sure. And others who have some technical knowledge make their own with high quality parts or Hall sensors.

My two cents worth,
Jay

Fenice_1965
10-11-2008, 11:05 AM
Simped for sure.... got them from nine years and they work still flawlessly.
now they are sold again even if their creator is dead his son continued the activity.

Jabout
10-11-2008, 11:19 AM
Thanks Guys, appreciate it.

b2spirita
10-11-2008, 11:24 AM
Links anyone?

VF-17_Jolly
10-11-2008, 11:39 AM
simped (http://home.arcor.de/p.madel/simped/simp001.htm)

M_Gunz
10-11-2008, 12:09 PM
Are toebrakes really important?

VF-17_Jolly
10-11-2008, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Are toebrakes really important?

Not in il2 without differential(sp) braking it`s just somewhere to put the button http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

personnaly i still have it on the throttle unless i`m flying fsx

b2spirita
10-11-2008, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:
simped (http://home.arcor.de/p.madel/simped/simp001.htm)

Thanks for that. Cant see anywhere to order or proces, do you have to contact direct?

Fenice_1965
10-11-2008, 01:25 PM
http://www.flugsimulator.de/hse/simped.htm

redhornet07
10-11-2008, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by b2spirita:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:
simped (http://home.arcor.de/p.madel/simped/simp001.htm)

Thanks for that. Cant see anywhere to order or proces, do you have to contact direct? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Be careful, their site says that those pedals are only compatible with the Cougar HOTAS setup.
http://home.arcor.de/p.madel/simped/simp004.htm

(bottom right in English)

b2spirita
10-11-2008, 04:57 PM
Oh, well im out then, at least for now. Thanks for pointing that out

Aaron_GT
10-11-2008, 05:00 PM
I read it as being usable from any gameport, which probably means an extra 10 for a usb-gameport interface is required.

Tully__
10-11-2008, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Are toebrakes really important?

Not in il2 <span class="ev_code_red">without differential(sp) braking</span> it`s just somewhere to put the button http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

personnaly i still have it on the throttle unless i`m flying fsx </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Partially wrong, IL2 does have differential braking but it's not modelled on the US/German WW2 era (and in modern times almost universal) toe brake system.
In WW2 British and Russian aircraft had a single brake actuator (often hand operated) and a valving system connected to the rudder control to direct the braking force proportionally to the left and right wheels. Wheels brakes in the game are modelled using this system on all aircraft. In some of the Russian & British aircraft you can see the hand brake actuator responding when you apply wheel brakes. If you apply full right rudder at the same time, only your right wheels will be braked. As you move the rudder less to the right and more to the left, wheel braking forces will be adjusted accordingly.

M_Gunz
10-12-2008, 04:49 AM
I thought that was just propwash on the rudder effect while taxiing around.

Tully__
10-12-2008, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
I thought that was just propwash on the rudder effect while taxiing around.
Nope, it works while rolling to a stop with the engine off and effectively no airflow over the rudder too... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

UgoRipley
10-12-2008, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by Tully__:
...If you apply full right rudder at the same time, only your right wheels will be braked. As you move the rudder less to the right and more to the left, wheel braking forces will be adjusted accordingly...
I have Simpeds and Cougar, and use rudders exactly like Tully wrote.
I believe that "Simpeds for Cougar" means that that model is sold with the right connector for the throttle Cougar base, so you can eventually program Simpeds with Cougar software, as Simpeds and Cougar are seen as one big unique peripherals.
BUT you can also buy a USB Simped, connect it and use it, it will just not be seen by Cougar software.
I don't know if they build the toe-brake version in both USB and Cougar flavours, I hope so...

Fenice_1965
10-12-2008, 06:27 AM
You have different simped versions: with gameport and usb. If you want something universal you have to buy usb.
I have Hotas cougar and gameport simpeds, but I'm going to buy usb version since I found that programming rudders via Cougar software is an option not so often useful and I can use Usb version with x52 (wich I found more suitable with IL2 than cougar wich is better with modern jet simulations) as well as any other stick.

josephs1959
10-12-2008, 10:23 AM
I have Saitek's pro pedels. I used to use CH pedels.
Saitek's give you more adjustments, friction/resistance which gives you a more realistc feel rather than the non-resistant springy feel of the CH.
Foot size you can adjust the pedals themselves to fit different foot sizes.
And the pedels have a wider stance than the CH which I've always found to be too constricting. Also, Saitek's have holes in the corners of their platfrom to screw them down and come with sticky pads to secure them. CH always slid around during violent maneuvers.