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hi_stik
02-28-2006, 09:16 AM
Do you use the keypad, mouse, or joystick hat? Please tell which you use, and why. I am experimenting w/ all of them, and I think the hat is the hardest (too easy to not hold it in the right direction), followed by the mouse (it's hard in the thick of things to let go of the keyboard to move over to the mouse), and the keypad being the easiest (it's easy to feel for the keys with the right hand while focusing on the screen).

CPS_Triad
02-28-2006, 09:26 AM
I used to use the mouse, but I recently got TrackIR 3. That works very well but takes getting used to though. Got motion sick the first couple of times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif Have to remember to 'pause' the thing (via F9) to regain bearings http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Hope that helps.

Triad

Ernst_Rohr
02-28-2006, 09:37 AM
I use the hat on my joystick, I can pan and scan a lot faster that way, though I finally bit the bullet and ordered a Track IR setup. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

zoinks_
02-28-2006, 09:58 AM
i don't think i would play this sim without trackir...or all the ch controllers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Wild.Bill.Kelso
02-28-2006, 10:11 AM
I use TrackIR. If I didn't have that, I would probably try mapping the keys to the MouseCursor button on my X45, or my Hats.

Old_Canuck
02-28-2006, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by zoinks_:
i don't think i would play this sim without trackir...or all the ch controllers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Ditto .. TIR and CH controllers. Still using the original TIR with infrared emitter. Plan to switch to latest TIR when Oleg's BoB is released.

notamuppet
02-28-2006, 12:18 PM
Buy TrackIr.... you know you want to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nubarus
02-28-2006, 01:36 PM
TrackIR here as well and love it!!

SeaFireLIV
02-28-2006, 02:10 PM
TIR1, but it was the Mouse before...

Tooz_69GIAP
02-28-2006, 02:36 PM
I use the keypad, but I just recently got my hands on a X-45, so I'm trying to figure out using the HAT switches.

slipBall
02-28-2006, 02:45 PM
I use the little joy stick on the CH pro throttle. I used to use a combo of mouse, buttons, & hat switches. Now I only use the joy stick. I like it, but wish I could increase the speed a little more. SlipBall ( I was only following orders )

jetsetsam
02-28-2006, 02:53 PM
I use the hatswitch, the keyboard and the mouse, depending on how much is going on around me.

If outside view is available, I use it with the mouse to pan around to check for enemies. Flyby view is good for checking your six.

I even switch to the enemies view and then use the mouse to see which of the enemy can spot me.

If I can use it I'll do it to save my butt.

VF-51-Dart
02-28-2006, 03:14 PM
Used the hatswitch for 10 yrs of wwii online simming and never had a problem with it. I decided to buy TIR 3 w/6DOF last year and will never ever go back. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Willey
02-28-2006, 03:16 PM
I don't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I won't see anything anyways. U usually rely on my mates to find contacts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Usually I just scan the horizon and above, but 90% of the time I'm looking straight forward http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zatochi2005
02-28-2006, 04:17 PM
Track IR 3 here, makes a big difference.....

Treetop64
02-28-2006, 04:39 PM
Mouse/Hatswitch/Padlock combination for now until I finally resolve to get a TrackIR.

Whenever that might be, I haven't the slightest... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leitmotiv
02-28-2006, 04:56 PM
Used mouse for ages. Still use hat on stick for wide, medium, gunsight views, and open/close canopy. Switched to TrackIR 4 and am immersed within an inch of my life. Somebody wrote that the TrackIR is now as indispensible as the stick and had as huge an effect on simming. I agree.

stansdds
02-28-2006, 05:39 PM
I'm using Track IR 3 Pro, but before I bought the Track IR system, I would use the hat switch on my CH Products stick.

VELCRO_FLY
02-28-2006, 05:57 PM
I would probably try mapping the keys to the MouseCursor button on my X45

Poor mans TrackIR! Works great for me.


I use the keypad, but I just recently got my hands on a X-45, so I'm trying to figure out using the HAT switches.


Tooz
To set your mouse cursor switch your X45 go to Profile editor, select mouse cursor button on the throttle. On the right hand side you will see this switch highlighted (not sure what letter it is given) there will be a drop down menu with two options. One is to set it to "button" the other is to set it to "mouse". Just select mouse and you are good to go, as long as you got that profile selected for your controller setup.

Is that clear as mud?

Dumbo_AK32nd
02-28-2006, 09:06 PM
TrackIR...it's the only way to fly!

Beirut
03-01-2006, 04:21 AM
I use the POV hat on my MS FFB2. Not great (at all), but it's what I have. I prefer to mouse around but my left hand is on my throttle stick. I need a third hand for the mouse.

That TrackIR thingy might be the best option. I guess it's one of those qualitive leaps forward where once you use it you can't go back. Like FFB and a left hand HOTAS stick.

But how annoying is it to have to sit perfectly still and always in the same position? I guess you need a good sports car type seat that's comfortable and holds you in one spot.

Krizz1972
03-01-2006, 05:02 AM
Coolie Hat with View Plus.

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_viewplus.htm

WB_Outlaw
03-01-2006, 05:30 AM
The TrackIR does take a bit of getting used to before you can hold it still. I never realized how much I moved while playing until I got the TIR. I had a high back chair and used to use a neck pillow for support. Now I sit in a driver's seat out of a Fiero which gives me plenty of adjustment and support.

--Outlaw.

major_setback
03-01-2006, 05:45 AM
Mouse mostly, hat switch, padlock.
I don't know how people can dogfight without padlock. I prefer cockpit on except for taxiing and take off otherwise it's off.

Philipscdrw
03-01-2006, 06:57 AM
I use the hat-switch on my CHPro yoke. When I'm trying to find that horrible little Panzer that I must destroy before my mission is registered complete, I'll narrow the field of view and use the mouse; I also use the mouse in external views. I'd like to get a TrackIR of some description, but my PC setup isn't ideal - I have to sit 8inches offset from the yoke, and the monitor is then in my 10-o'clock position, and I have a rubbish wobbly wooden low-backed dining chair which is useless really.

Fighterduck
03-01-2006, 07:46 AM
mouse...to have all possible angle of view and to fallow my targes with precision.

knightflyte
03-01-2006, 08:36 AM
It seems like I'm one of the very lucky few. I think Track IR works great right out of the box.

It really ISN'T that hard.

I'm only saying this for those who read comments that it's hard to get used to. It's NOT hard. I started with Track IR version 1 with IL2 Sturmovik ORIGINAL. That had NO enhanced mode and THAT was difficult.

Since FB/AEP/PF there has been an enhanced mode that really puts this device in the stratusphere. I never have to sit perfectly still. Heck I can get up, go to the bathroom, wash my hands, and make a sandwich, THEN come back and still have Track IR still track 100%.

Natual Point has default profiles that work pretty darn good.

I broke the bank and replaced my broken Track IR 1 with a Track IR 4pro. I flew for a month without Track IR. I have NO idea how you fly without one. What a cumbersome unnatural act to use hatswitch/mouselook/padlock.

I never felt in control with out it. I felt so vulnerable without it.

I don't know whether to dope smack or to salute those that don't use Track IR. On the one hand I can 'admire' those who are sucessful without it, but the other hand makes me wonder how much better their experience and talants would be WITH Track IR.

I understand if economy is a big issue. But if it's not ..... what are you waiting for?!!!???

Wild.Bill.Kelso
03-01-2006, 08:49 AM
I agree with knightflyte, I didn't find it hard to use at all. I sit fairly still when playing games anyhow I guess.... I just had to play with the Motion profiles a little. I made one for IL2FB, Lockon, and a few other games. I finally decided that the one I made for Lockon works great in every game, so I only have one profile.

I have had a few friends try it when they were over visiting. They had a little trouble trying to figure out how to move their head. They kept moving their entire body all over. I kept just telling them to "Just move your head a little! that's all". They finally got it.

Beirut
03-01-2006, 09:15 AM
I was just at the TrackIR site. This thing looks good. It also look like it costs about $200Cdn. Ouch.

The Lock-On Black Shark demo of TrackIR was insane.

A few questions - How easy is it to set up, does it increase the sense of motion sickness, and how does it affect the FPS?

Thanks.

Wild.Bill.Kelso
03-01-2006, 09:36 AM
You can get $30 OFF Here (http://www.trackir.com/bob2)!

msalama
03-01-2006, 10:18 AM
Keyboard and coolie hat both. Can't use a mouse since I've got 2 joysticks...

knightflyte
03-01-2006, 01:15 PM
I think that offer is only for the U.S.
That's how I got my Track IR 4.


There are profiles in the software for specific games....IL2/PF..... BoB WoV...... GTR Racing .... Wings of War...... etc .etc.

Each profile can be customized to your liking. For example if you chose the IL2 profile it already has a dead zone allocated to the profile...... but say you'd like it bigger. No problem. Click on the profile and select edit. From there a graph will appear and you can change your dead zone to a larger one if you like. You can do this for each axis. (direction you turn your head)

I get no motion sickness.

I haven't noticed a drop in FPS..... but since I don't fly without Track IR I wouldn't know. (Even the month I had without Track IR I noticed no difference in FPS.)

It IS pretty intuitive.

The Track IR 4 comes with the plastic clip for your hat visor. The clip has three reflective dots that enable the vector enhanced mode.

I even tried it in BoB WoV. It is cool leaning and tilting your head...... Leaning out of your cockpit to see where you are taxiing to is cool.

I've just reinstalled GTR. It's so natural to look toward the curve as your driving. (We do it all the time in real life.) Having that availability to look into the turn gives you a clearer indication of how sharp a turn will be BEFORE you get to it. It allows you to aim for the APEX of a corner, thus allowing a cleaner line on the track.

$200.00 is quite a bit of money. (CDN or US currency) If you sim a lot and it is a big hobby for you I HIGHLY recommend it. It's not a waste of money if you are a serious simmer. For a casual gamer then I'd recommend EBay or purchasing from someone who has an older model they are willing to part with.....OR getting Track IR 3 verses Track IR 4.

I find Track IR indispensible. But this IS my hobby..... my guilty pleasure.

Jumoschwanz
03-01-2006, 08:54 PM
The hat-switch takes a few weeks of practice to perfect, but once you "get it" it becomes a religion you will swear by.

Set your hat-switch up like this: Go into Controls and click on "look forward", then push your hat-switch straight ahead to the zero degree position, this will make it so that when you are flying and push the hat-switch forward nothing happens! BUT, set a base button that you have your free hand resting on to "look up", and you will find that with a combination of the hat-switch, base button and rocking the plane you can look anywhere you want instantly without a thought.
Plus now when you fly you will have both hands on the stick to stabilize it. Set flaps up and down on a couple other base buttons and you will not even have to use the keyboard to fly except for take-off, landing and some minor engine adjustments.

If you want some tracks I made on and off line fighting with the hat-switch PM me your e-mail address and I will get them to you.

S!

Jumoschwanz

Tully__
03-01-2006, 09:31 PM
I use a hat set to emulate mouse on the Saitek X-52 (feature also available on Saitk X-45 & Evo, CH Products Pro Throttle and probably on TM Cougar) or TIR1 depending on mood. TrackIR is more flexible but the one I have (the original) is a bit prone to losing tracking so when light conditions aren't right (background light sources/sun coming through the window) or I'm too tired I'll use the hat/mouse emulation instead.

Tully__
03-01-2006, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
I use the keypad, but I just recently got my hands on a X-45, so I'm trying to figure out using the HAT switches. Tooz, grab my X-45 profile (link under my sig) and have a look at how I did it. It works for any hat on the X45. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

zoinks_
03-01-2006, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Beirut:
I was just at the TrackIR site. This thing looks good. It also look like it costs about $200Cdn. Ouch.

The Lock-On Black Shark demo of TrackIR was insane.

A few questions - How easy is it to set up, does it increase the sense of motion sickness, and how does it affect the FPS?

Thanks.

easy to set up. it is usb with a small no-bloat program that works. compared to learning this game it is like tying your shoes. tweaking your profile takes a little more, but you can play default settings right out of the box.

don't know why i read so much on how hard it is to get used to. it is most natural - i have tr4, maybe earlier models are different. what i found hard to get used to was the dead zone - ack! - personal preference, but i removed all dead zone for a completely natural scan.

look at it this way...no one has anything bad to say about it. easily worth every penny.

Beirut
03-02-2006, 04:58 AM
Knightflyte, Zoinks, thanks for the info. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I thing TrackIR is on my must-buy list now. I showed the demo clips of how it works to my buddy yesterday, both in IL2 and in rFactor racing, he completely freaked. (Poor slob loves to fly but only has an XBox with Heroes of the Pacific on it.)

TrackIR looks so good I might have to get a FFB steering wheel and a racing game as well.

leitmotiv
03-02-2006, 06:00 PM
I had to adapt to TrackIR just like any new gizmo but once I was used to it---it was immersion city! You are moving your head to see, one hand on throttle, other on stick: you are virtually in the cockpit scanning your virtual world. Anything else is "toy" regret to say. By the way, the early versions gave me fits but the 4 Pro is FANTASTIC.

heywooood
03-04-2006, 09:41 AM
How do you scan the sky?

step one - go outside.
step two - look up.
step three - swivel your pale, bloated head.
important! - bleary, bloodshot eyes must be open
tip: 'puter geeks should only attempt
this at night...daylight sky scanning
can cause horrible pain and delay sim
flying for several panicky minutes.

Soon as the wife stops laughing I am going out and getting a Trakir for myself...but it looks like that might be awhile.

Don_X
03-10-2006, 07:16 AM
OK no track IR yet (thanks for the reminder)
I use hat switch on Evo
PS2 mouse.. set sensitivity to 0.4 for smoother scroll

Optical USB mouse for map functions (not affected by sensitivity)

Did try Hologram another Poor mans track IR using digicam, but too jerky with memory available at time, of course demo expired , hold on I've re-installed - let me try again and get back on that.........(I'm getting worse than Columbo here)

tigertalon
03-10-2006, 07:33 AM
Keypad all the way!! It takes a sortie or five to get used to it, but once you got it, you will scan the skies without any thinking! I postponed buying TIR because of that, it works great for me.

Of course you still have to use rudder and roll a lot to scan whole sky.

triggerhappyfin
03-10-2006, 07:42 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/Triggerhappyfin/howtoprint.jpg

I use a scanner...

Ernst_Rohr
03-10-2006, 08:27 AM
I just bought a TrackIR system and Im a beliver now. Incredible change.

Don_X
03-12-2006, 09:32 AM
Re HOLOGRAM http://www.motionparallax.com/Hologram_sw.html

OK tried the demo with 4.04m install
not bad.
pros . costs $12.95
cons . probably need at least 1G memory to use in-game
. you need to be well lit ( I had to put the Raybans on)
. need a web-cam (I used a Hi8 camcorder)
. demo had buttons missing on this install so I couldnt check all settings that I remember from before.