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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 11:22 AM
So those of us that fly 109's and 190's with Auto prop pitch capabilities, do you use Auto or Manual? And why?


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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 11:22 AM
So those of us that fly 109's and 190's with Auto prop pitch capabilities, do you use Auto or Manual? And why?


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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 11:25 AM
Auto because the difference between manual and auto is insignificant. And besides, i dont think its worth the risk ro fry your engine in combat because you werent paying attention to your RPMs.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 11:55 AM
My sentiments, exactly.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:16 PM
Manual , I like to handle as much as possible myself

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:17 PM
F19_Orheim wrote:
- Manual , I like to handle as much as possible myself
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But aren't you worried you might "fry your engine in combat because you werent paying attention to your RPMs" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:30 PM
I don't know if this has changed since the patch, but to be an ace in FB flying a 109 (109K)/190 you should use both. Manual comes in handy during zoom climbs. Auto for when you want to worry about other things.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:33 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- I don't know if this has changed since the patch,

Do you not fly using the "final patch" RBJ?

- but to be an ace in FB flying a 109 (109K)/190 you
- should use both. Manual comes in handy during zoom
- climbs. Auto for when you want to worry about other
- things.
-

Very good point! Using manual prop pitch is a must if you're to succeed in a long climb.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 05:49 PM
I don't fly 109's or 190s (I'm a great P-40 fan) and I hate anything automatic /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 10:00 PM
I use Bolth

about 50/50

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 01:22 AM
Using Auto in the 44 Erhohte Notleistung equipped Dora reduces RPM about 200-300rpm from what I have seen. On manual at 100% you can rev to about 3400 as opposed to 3200 or so on auto.


I use manual 95-100% for level flight, climbs or shallow dives and auto for steep dives.



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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:20 AM
Auto, because I'm not a good enough pilot or simmer to use manual (hey, what can I say, I'm honest).

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:25 AM
Always manual
I have the prop pitch on my hat switch and I fly like I'm changinging gears on a dirt bike. It really is little effort to hear the motor and know whats going on and adjust instead of looking at the tach or leaving it on auto.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:53 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:43 AM
auto. Micro management sucks. I want to dog fight not playing a rts game god damn it.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 04:03 AM
For the 190 at least, Manual control is the diffence between 480kph and 510kph in most cases. I use auto above these speed to prevent over reving and 80-100% below these speeds. Proper radiator control is not to be underestimated also, can help squeeze an extra 10 to 15 kph

Nate

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 04:57 AM
Nate--IRL-- wrote:
Proper radiator control is not
- to be underestimated also, can help squeeze an extra
- 10 to 15 kph
-

-

Excellent point Nate. Radiator settings are often overlooked but can make the difference in a tight spot.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 05:58 AM
I just started an offline campaign which starts me in a G-6
109. I wanted to see what it was like to fly the most lame 109 in the game, mostly as a challenge, ( I even went with the smaller cannon in th nose. ) I noticed that manual pitch comes in handy in sustained climb when you're trying to catch up to the AI in flight. At least it works well in the G-6. In auto, the RPM maintains only about 2600 or 2700, if I put her in manual, I can raise the prop pitch up until the RPM goes up to 2900, which gives me more power to climb with. Otherwise, I'd get left behind after taking off in a mission. I find that it will take 2900 without damaging the engine too. To get the RPM exactly at 2900, I simply adjust my climb angle some. Too little nose up and it will over-rev. Too much and RPM will go too low, like it does in auto. I use auto mostly in fights unless its necessary to really get a nice zoom climb. Also for landing or taking off I use auto since it's easier and gets the job done.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:28 PM
Nate--IRL-- wrote:
- For the 190 at least, Manual control is the diffence
- between 480kph and 510kph in most cases.

Yep - I use manual almost all the time in 190s and almost never in 109s.

IMHO, it's way too easy to overrev the 109 in FB 1.11 and unrealistic - an option that could cause that much damage that quickly would not be implemented.

Conversely, in the 190, you never overrev even at 100% (it's a different system, constant speed prop, i think).

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:54 PM
I try my best to only use Auto due to when you use Manual it seems to overheat you faster than auto, and its only minimal performance increase... with the exception of in the climb... but if I have a ton of hieght then I won't worry so much about using manual in the climb, I do it in the dive to try and cool it faster... not sure if it works but meh. Sounds cool when you slap it at a low pitch 0 throttle and have the blades almost propel you forward without giving any throttle.

Oh but if you think your toast I would definatly go manual in a climb, every bit helps.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:57 PM
Extreme_One wrote:
- So those of us that fly 109's and 190's with Auto
- prop pitch capabilities, do you use Auto or Manual?
- And why?

Not very successful fishing.
There should be no difference between Manual and Auto. If there is such difference then it should be eliminated.
Auto pitch should be used at all times during combat, Bf-109 manual is very clear about this.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:05 PM
Manual, auto when in combat.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:33 PM
JZG_Hypno wrote:
- Auto because the difference between manual and auto
- is insignificant. And besides, i dont think its
- worth the risk ro fry your engine in combat because
- you werent paying attention to your RPMs.

S!

Same in general, but:


Particular case #1: VVS a/cs with NO auto-prop-pitch are just fine. Their engines are solid and overheat only after quite a long time at 100% pitch and >100% throttle. They seize only after some time (minutes) of over-turning and over-heating. Keeping 100% throttle with 85-90% pitch reduces RPMs and heating while keeping a high speed. Etc etc. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Particular case #2: Patch 1.11 durability of 109s engines has made manual pitch extremely risky on these a/cs /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif . While it's OK during a "safe" zoom climb, you can seize your engine in a matter of seconds if you have to worry about other things than watching the RPM counter (or listening to the engine).

Particular case #3: On FW.190s manual-prop-pitch doesn't seem very effective. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:58 PM
A rare instance where RBJ and I agree. Both. But I should say that it's mostly manual for me.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:09 AM
In the 109s:
-Manual at take off so I keep the engine at 3000/3200rpm which gives extra punch and shortens the take off.
-Auto when cruising.
-Manual in dogfight. I believe I need to keep the sweet rpm spot to 3000rpm to get the most out of the engine. Note that I set up the prop pitch on a wheel/slider on my joystick (CH 568 Combatstick). I can keep the rpm to 3000 easily though I burn the engine once in a while. A price I'm willing to pay.

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