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Yog_Shoggoth
04-22-2006, 11:55 PM
I'm a sucker for the early war. I hardly ever fly past 1941. I just love my I-16s, J8As, P-39s, and I-153s. I don't really have the same reaction to any late war planes. What era do you prefer?

HotelBushranger
04-22-2006, 11:57 PM
Early man, its where the real men fly!

F19_Orheim
04-23-2006, 03:17 AM
only if threatened do I fly 1945
1944 very rarely, all my buddies must want to too,
Could muster 1943 from time to time
1942 is quite ok
1939-1941 rox

Monson74
04-23-2006, 03:29 AM
1940-42 is what I like best - no elephant guns or over-boosted planes for me please. I used to fly a lot on Warclouds because the maps are good & the people are nice but now I'm addicted to Winds of War because of the early plane sets (& the people are nice there too). If it's a '44 setting I'd prefer just to have the Bf109G-6/AS, FW190A-8 vs P-51D & the standard P-47D.

F19_Orheim
04-23-2006, 03:37 AM
I agree Monson, WoW do have some very nice early war mission, also one of the reasons I return to them. Their missions feels "fresh".... kind of a new approach....

JG4_Helofly
04-23-2006, 03:38 AM
early. There are no over boost planes and super weapons. It's much cooler to fly with planes like 109 E or F or the early fw 190.

Bremspropeller
04-23-2006, 03:49 AM
I enjoy the "Age of the Butcherbird" most - '41 to '49 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Lodovik
04-23-2006, 04:21 AM
Early period is more about Tur'n'Burn rather than ZnB. I can't hit an elefant pack in the latter. And anyway I find turn fightning more tactically interesting.
Besides, the early planes have way more character. Perhaps I'm biased, though I've yet to see a sim that would deliver a feel of the raw power of the late war machines. That might change my view somewhat.

tjaika1910
04-23-2006, 06:34 AM
I miss the ****-plane server. Was that yours Orheim?

Edit: that strange autosensor, " c r a p-plane server "

RCAF_Irish_403
04-23-2006, 06:38 AM
makes no difference

panther3485
04-23-2006, 07:29 AM
Hi there, F19_Orheim

Quote:
"only if threatened do I fly 1945
1944 very rarely, all my buddies must want to too,
Could muster 1943 from time to time
1942 is quite ok
1939-1941 rox"

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Apart from the fact that I don't fly online, this sums up my preferences perfectly!


Best regards,
panther3485

mortoma
04-23-2006, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by Yog_Shoggoth:
I'm a sucker for the early war. I hardly ever fly past 1941. I just love my I-16s, J8As, P-39s, and I-153s. I don't really have the same reaction to any late war planes. What era do you prefer? P-39 in 1941?? On what front/theater?? Not the Russian, that's for sure. In the Pacific yes and the British tried a few of them in some places. Russians didn't get any lend lease ones until '42, maybe late '42 at that.

danjama
04-23-2006, 07:41 AM
I like 1944

Brain32
04-23-2006, 08:03 AM
I prefer after D-Day period.

joeap
04-23-2006, 08:33 AM
All of the above.

Stigler_9_JG52
04-23-2006, 10:07 AM
EARLY.

Once you get past '43, most of the planes are so "ueberized", the fighting just loses a lot of the "plusses and minues" character that is the hallmark of the earlier planes.

Most of the planes become "one hit" wonders, they're all fast, they're all maneuverable, they all climb well, and, most important, they all make up for many of the pilot's mistakes.

Thus, the matchups are pretty much all boring.

Late war, in a nutshell, sucks.

panther3485
04-23-2006, 10:12 AM
Hi Stigler

Quote:
"Late war, in a nutshell, sucks."

Aw, c'mon mate, don't beat around the bush. Say what you really mean!
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panther3485

carguy_
04-23-2006, 10:37 AM
Mainly flying online wars so what TO it is,goes.All war years have their cons and pros.

Excluding oversimplified ground war model,earlier days are better.

However,knowing the wars specific model,1941 is very iritating scenario.
Flying an F2 which is very safe against early VVS brings much negative thrills.The 15mm cannon doesn`t even cope with downing fighters if you do B&Zing.It is needed to aim (too)well for a (over)extended time at a target.Hence,B&Zing is irrelevant method.You need to sit on him,pepper him and run away cuz there is someone bound to catch you in a low speed engagement.
Flying the F2 is IMO very unpleasant.In Emil you must be on a lookout but cannons even if MGFF,are good for lightly armored air targets.

I like `42 period the most.
Reichsverteidigung missions are very fun too, especially against USAAF.
You`re facing theoretically faster,heavily armored,heavily armed enemy aircraft.Sadly though,those aircraft are driven by T&B crowd which shows immediately how inexperienced they are.
Ofcourse,high altitude bomber busting missions are sheer nightmare for Lufites.Mustangs/Spitfires/P47 buzzing around and you have to put up with literraly rain of .50cal from defensive turrets.
Other missions though,below 6000m,are fairly easy for an experienced Luftie.For the reason typed above,bringing down 2 or 3 USAAF planes in one sortie is not a big achievement,be it P38,P47 or P51.Too many pilot errors here.

Now when the Spitfire somehow enters the sortie,it all changes for a lot worse - basicly every LW sortie is a fight for survival.Lucky them Spits are rather rarely seen.

In the East,excluding Yaks every combat day is like fighting with Spitfires only heheh

A good thing is that online war admins came through a long way and bias is marginal.Direct result is having up to 3xMe262 fighters in a sortie.Yeeees it`s a feast for an experienced Luftie whatever the enemy.

domenlovrec
04-23-2006, 12:23 PM
42-44

I love zeke vs. zero, but i can't fly without P51 or P47. I hate 45: La7, yets, yak3P,do etc.

EiZ0N
04-23-2006, 05:11 PM
I like anything. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stigler_9_JG52
04-23-2006, 05:32 PM
Carguy writes:

I like `42 period the most.
Reichsverteidigung missions are very fun too, especially against USAAF.

Erm....Reichsverteidigung and USAAF missions in Europe are decidedly LATE WAR affairs, mostly '44 (although there were some early efforts in late '43 as well).

Are you saying you like these in addition to '42 missions?

DIRTY-MAC
04-23-2006, 05:41 PM
THE EARLIER THE BETTER!

ImpStarDuece
04-23-2006, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
Carguy writes:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I like `42 period the most.
Reichsverteidigung missions are very fun too, especially against USAAF.

Erm....Reichsverteidigung and USAAF missions in Europe are decidedly LATE WAR affairs, mostly '44 (although there were some early efforts in late '43 as well).

Are you saying you like these in addition to '42 missions? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm, isn't that that what 'too' means?

carguy_
04-23-2006, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
Are you saying you like these in addition to '42 missions?

I mean that I like `42 the most.I wrote it just to reapeat something I wrote in another thread,not to be judged for a hypocrite.The `42 is best,period.

Reichsverteidigung (late `44/`45) also presents,to me,very interesting,thrilling,fun missions.

repoman11
04-23-2006, 09:41 PM
I definitely prefer early war. I used to love the old VirtualPilots server. I'd only fly late when there were no servers with any players other than WC.

I like to fly the P-40, but only when it is on a map with contemporary aircraft.

WTE_Galway
04-23-2006, 10:21 PM
Early war for sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Emils, Hurricanes and J8A's are my favourite rides but I am also partial to the I16 and even take the p11 for a spin occasionally

its personal preference .. i tend to fly for fun rather than rack up kills online or off and early war planes are just more fun to fly

though offline i play the full campaign even if it takes 300 missions and lasts the whole war

HotelBushranger
04-24-2006, 12:59 AM
1917 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Treetop64
04-24-2006, 01:20 AM
LOVE the machines of the early years! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Though the machines of the latter war stages are quite facinating, the early birds just had so much more...character!

jasonbirder
04-24-2006, 01:36 AM
I definately prefer early war...Emils, Hurricanes, Biplanes...

Just one question though as nearly everyone who has posted here prefers early war...why is this not reflected in the servers running? Why is there so much heartache about the performances of various boosted/hi-octane planes if they aren't peoples favorite mounts...

Friendly_flyer
04-24-2006, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by panther3485:
Hi there, F19_Orheim

Quote:
"only if threatened do I fly 1945
1944 very rarely, all my buddies must want to too,
Could muster 1943 from time to time
1942 is quite ok
1939-1941 rox"

Apart from the fact that I don't fly online, this sums up my preferences perfectly!


Ditto for me.

F0_Dark_P
04-24-2006, 04:28 AM
41-42 is the best vintage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HotelBushranger
04-24-2006, 05:22 AM
Just one question though as nearly everyone who has posted here prefers early war...why is this not reflected in the servers running? Why is there so much heartache about the performances of various boosted/hi-octane planes if they aren't peoples favorite mounts...

Cos most online players are complete noobs who couldn't fly early war to save their miserable hides http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Orheim
04-24-2006, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by tjaika1910:
I miss the ****-plane server. Was that yours Orheim?

Edit: that strange autosensor, " c r a p-plane server "
You mean F19_Cr@pGalore? Where only one plane was available, i.e I-153 vs I-153?

Yep that was mine alright, but nobody flew on it so I dropped it

HotelBushranger
04-24-2006, 08:45 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif We need a large scale propoganda campaign to get more people flying it!!! That's what yer downfall was http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Treetop64
04-24-2006, 08:51 AM
I've flown online maybe five times since I've had this sim. Is there someplace to go online that feature only the old planes?

> Wildcats vs Zeros?
> Dutch Buffaloes vs Claudes? (if those became available, that would be too cool - as long as you're flying the Buffalo!)
> Emils vs Hurris/Spit Mk V?

Billy_BigBoy
04-24-2006, 09:51 AM
For me it is 43-44
Enough fire- and enginepower, but not too much.

F19_Orheim
04-24-2006, 10:30 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=2...911083634#2911083634 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=2911083634&r=2911083634#2911083634)

dbuff
04-24-2006, 10:34 AM
1943 and earlier

wayno7777
04-24-2006, 12:42 PM
I find myself all over the place, though I enjoy a good early mission. Hurricanes, Emils, Hawk 81's, early Zekes and the like....

Stigler_9_JG52
04-24-2006, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by jasonbirder:
I definately prefer early war...Emils, Hurricanes, Biplanes...

Just one question though as nearly everyone who has posted here prefers early war...why is this not reflected in the servers running? Why is there so much heartache about the performances of various boosted/hi-octane planes if they aren't peoples favorite mounts...

Because they LIE. They'll come in here and pay lip service to early war and say they don't "ueberplane" but when it comes down to it, well, let's just say their online flying profile is not consistent with their posting profile.

F19_Orheim
04-24-2006, 02:21 PM
or could it be, dear sir, that those who actually post in threads like this, do prefer early wars maps and those who prefer latewar are in one of those 45 out of 50 servers where latewar maps dominate.

You seem to have a very cynical view on things mate who immediately draws the conclusion that people lie... have a beer and relax.

Megile_
04-24-2006, 02:23 PM
The uberer the better

200 octane for Spitfire plz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Von_Rat
04-24-2006, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Just one question though as nearly everyone who has posted here prefers early war...why is this not reflected in the servers running? Why is there so much heartache about the performances of various boosted/hi-octane planes if they aren't peoples favorite mounts...

Cos most online players are complete noobs who couldn't fly early war to save their miserable hides http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yep warclouds is well known for being a all noob server. no aces there at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

panther3485
04-25-2006, 10:42 PM
Hi there, Stigler_9_JG52

Quote:
"Because they LIE. They'll come in here and pay lip service to early war and say they don't "ueberplane" but when it comes down to it, well, let's just say their online flying profile is not consistent with their posting profile."

And those of us who fly offline only and have stated we prefer early-mid WW2.....
What percentage of us are liars, Stigler?

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Best regards,
panther3485

Gumtree
04-25-2006, 11:01 PM
1939-43 are my preferred time periods as the planes are much more of a challenge in my opinion to dogfight.

Thats pretty much why I dont fly on Warclouds any more as the maps are all the same with the same plane set that I find ok for a map but boring map after map, after map , after map......... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

carguy_
04-26-2006, 07:12 AM
Pfffft like 80% guys posting here on those boards fly in DF servers only.
I`ve done some observation and some of the loudest dudes here fly on CEM off,icons,externals and minimap on.

Also I know like 40online war regulars who never post here.

Stigler_9_JG52
04-26-2006, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by panther3485:
Hi there, Stigler_9_JG52

Quote:
"Because they LIE. They'll come in here and pay lip service to early war and say they don't "ueberplane" but when it comes down to it, well, let's just say their online flying profile is not consistent with their posting profile."

And those of us who fly offline only and have stated we prefer early-mid WW2.....
What percentage of us are liars, Stigler?

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Best regards,
panther3485

No comment. Since you offiners won't fly online in public, where your presence can affect others, you're largely irrelevant, and flying in a vacuum. So, I'd say your opinions on anything just doesn't count. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

"If an offline player gets 10 kills in one sortie, but nobody's around to see it (or to be one of the victms), do the kills really count?"

That's a good question, since, if you were flying by yourself in real life, if you claimed that, some ground unit had better turn up some burnt out airframes, or some coast-watcher better back up your "story" or your claims likely wouldn't be honored. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

jasonbirder
04-26-2006, 10:33 AM
No comment. Since you offiners won't fly online in public, where your presence can affect others, you're largely irrelevant, and flying in a vacuum. So, I'd say your opinions on anything just doesn't count

Surely as onliners make up such a Tiny percentage of the FB/AEP/PF community - its their opinions that don't count http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
It could be certainly said that the development of the game in a direction that satisfies the wants and needs of online play has damaged the development of the series...both as a simulation and arguably more importantly as a commercial success...

HellToupee
04-26-2006, 10:44 AM
I dont like really early war plane sets as the planes are all under gunned and with the dammage model the way it is degenerates into a tnb fest where it takes almost an entire ammo load just to down a plane, unless u have a cannon plane.

Planes are no less or more forgiving than late war planes, they do not allow for more or less mistakes because that depends on the opponent and not the plane you fly.
Also another reason as early plane sets are more incomplete than late war, eg bob sets with hurricanes vs emils and no spitfire mk1s or 2s. Or 1942 sets with spit Vs vs 190s and 109g2s and no spitfire mk 9 merlin 61s or tiffies. PLus no tempests early war sets.

panther3485
04-26-2006, 11:08 AM
Hi again, Stigler

Quote:
"No comment. Since you offiners won't fly online in public, where your presence can affect others, you're largely irrelevant, and flying in a vacuum. So, I'd say your opinions on anything just doesn't count.
"If an offline player gets 10 kills in one sortie, but nobody's around to see it (or to be one of the victms), do the kills really count?"
That's a good question, since, if you were flying by yourself in real life, if you claimed that, some ground unit had better turn up some burnt out airframes, or some coast-watcher better back up your "story" or your claims likely wouldn't be honored."

I thought this was about what period of WW2 we preferred to fly in, not about how many kills we get???????????

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And - Geeeeeeee, thanks for letting me know my opinion doesn't count, Stigler!

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Mate, this is a commercial product here and when it comes to the crunch, we all 'vote' with our cash! The product, and possibly the company that produce it, stands or falls on our 'votes'.

What percentage of players are online?
What percentage are offline only?
If all the 'offline only' guys picked up their cash and walked, what would happen to the sim?

And, some of the players who have so far been 'offline only' must surely be considering having a go at online play. How do you know I'm not one of them? Does one go from being 'largely irrelevant' offline to being a 'liar' online? Great choice!

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Best regards,
panther3485

Diablo310th
04-26-2006, 11:13 AM
1943-1945 US Planes....got to ahve my Jug. Early war if I can fly German. I really dislike the early Russian planes.

Stigler_9_JG52
04-26-2006, 12:14 PM
Well, you asked for my view on it, and you got it.

For one thing, nobody can "take their cash and walk". If you bought the sim, you have an equal effect on its sales as anyone else, no matter how you choose to fly.

However, flying alone against AI only, you are largely invisible as far as the community is concerned. You don't know how you stack up against other people flying the same sim as you, and almost everyone will attest it's a totally different ball of wax than against AI. You can even see that in an online co-op that has AI flights in it.

And, the online wars are, IMO, the best way to enjoy IL-2. There one's actions are only a part of the story. There, you do care about matchups and accuracy and setups, etc., because what the other players do affects you and what you can do.

I'm not saying flying offline is BAD, I'm just saying it's a lesser experience, and takes the community as a whole out of the equation.

Platypus_1.JaVA
04-26-2006, 12:30 PM
I prefer my late war aircraft in early war servers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif (don't we all?)

panther3485
04-26-2006, 12:33 PM
Hi Stigler,

Quote 1:
"Well, you asked for my view on it, and you got it."

No.
I asked whether you thought the offliners who said they preferred early-mid war were lying as well. Your answer was 'No comment'.

Quote 2:
"For one thing, nobody can "take their cash and walk". If you bought the sim, you have an equal effect on its sales as anyone else, no matter how you choose to fly."

I'll take the rap for this one - perhaps I didn't express myself too well. By 'taking their cash and walking', I meant not buying in the first place. When I look at a combat flight sim on the gameshop shelf, among the things that influence my decison to purchase are the theatre of operations, the time frame and the plane sets. When I purchased IL-2 and later FB, I did so primarly because:
(a) They were based on the Eastern Front, which has always been a favourite area of interest for me and
(b) The planes appeared to feature plenty of machines from 41/42/43, not just, or predominantly, 44/45 like some other sims I've seen. (44/45 is the time that least interests me.)

Of course, other things like overall sim quality, graphics, gameplay etc also factored in but you get what I mean.

As for the rest of it, yes, I get that online is a totally different dimension of gameplay and when I give it a go, no doubt I'll thoroughly enjoy myself.

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Best regards,
panther3485

dadada1
04-26-2006, 01:38 PM
Looks like I'm alone in this thread, late war stuff are the piston/prop hotrods and for me the ultimate. Again I know I'm alone, I think that late war planes are more beautiful than their earlier incarnations.

LilHorse
04-26-2006, 02:07 PM
Early to mid-war please. Late is too uber.

Lodovik
04-26-2006, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
Because they LIE. They'll come in here and pay lip service to early war and say they don't "ueberplane" but when it comes down to it, well, let's just say their online flying profile is not consistent with their posting profile.

You, sir (if indeed you may be called such), imply that I lie in my posting earlier in this thread, where I claim that I prefer the early war planes to the late war ones.
I wish you to understand that I consider myself a vpilot and a gentleman and that your vicious implication is not only false, but also a cross insult that I demand you apologise for immediately.
Otherwise, I can see no other recourse but to settle this in the only honourable way possible, ie. a duel in the virtual skies.

Most cordially yours, Lodovik.

faelas
04-26-2006, 02:20 PM
In case anyone on this thread still cares about the original topic, I fly both on and off line, full real or close to full real, and I much much prefer early to mid war planes. Late war the tactic for all nations and all planes is exactly the same... BNZ rules all. You don't take a P-51 to dogfight at 3,000 feet. Early war and mid war there's a combination of TNB and BNZ planes for both sides, it makes flying much more interesting and makes tactics much more important. Late war, everyone uses the same tactic. Altitude = victory. Kinda boring to me.

JG5_UnKle
04-26-2006, 02:29 PM
Can't you like both?

Even with just one aircraft (lets say 109) you can go from the E4 all the way to the K4, and you can really get a feel for the differences.

Early model 109's can turn well, have generally good cannon armament besides crappy MG's but an E4 to an F2 to a G6 is a really different set of aircraft (one of the really cool things about this sim) and I like all of them.

I like early war because of the lack of Big-Cannon types and the somewhat lower speeds but I also like late war because it is a different set of challenges.

A good planeset matters more than just the year imho. BnZ has its place all the way though but just using these aircraft to their advantage in different ways is a lot of fun.

But I can see why some people get bored of DF servers with a lot of '44-'45 action all the time. That's why I like online wars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Stigler_9_JG52
04-26-2006, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by panther3485:
Hi Stigler,

Quote 1:
"Well, you asked for my view on it, and you got it."

No.
I asked whether you thought the offliners who said they preferred early-mid war were lying as well. Your answer was 'No comment'.

Quote 2:
"For one thing, nobody can "take their cash and walk". If you bought the sim, you have an equal effect on its sales as anyone else, no matter how you choose to fly."

I'll take the rap for this one - perhaps I didn't express myself too well. By 'taking their cash and walking', I meant not buying in the first place. When I look at a combat flight sim on the gameshop shelf, among the things that influence my decison to purchase are the theatre of operations, the time frame and the plane sets. When I purchased IL-2 and later FB, I did so primarly because:
(a) They were based on the Eastern Front, which has always been a favourite area of interest for me and
(b) The planes appeared to feature plenty of machines from 41/42/43, not just, or predominantly, 44/45 like some other sims I've seen. (44/45 is the time that least interests me.)

Of course, other things like overall sim quality, graphics, gameplay etc also factored in but you get what I mean.

As for the rest of it, yes, I get that online is a totally different dimension of gameplay and when I give it a go, no doubt I'll thoroughly enjoy myself.

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Best regards,
panther3485

And I guess that's where you and I differ. Because if I see a sim that has NO online component, I will not buy it, no matter how good the rest of it seems.

The value of any sim, IMO, is linked to its online community. That's where it's really at, gaming wise.

AFJ_Locust
04-26-2006, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Yog_Shoggoth:
I'm a sucker for the early war. I hardly ever fly past 1941. I just love my I-16s, J8As, P-39s, and I-153s. I don't really have the same reaction to any late war planes. What era do you prefer?

Prefer Midwar, Early the ac are just too slow, I hate latewar ac with giant gun loadouts that were ment to be shot at bombers NOT fighters

Von_Rat
04-26-2006, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by dadada1:
Looks like I'm alone in this thread, late war stuff are the piston/prop hotrods and for me the ultimate. Again I know I'm alone, I think that late war planes are more beautiful than their earlier incarnations.

you might be almost alone here, i like late war btw. but on the servers you got alot of company.

jasonbirder
04-26-2006, 04:17 PM
Getting into an online vs offline rant is counterproductive and silly...theres good & bad on both sides...
F4 i really enjoy online play...FB/AEP/PF it just doesnt float my boat...
But at the end of the day one cold hard fact remains...
No offline players = No sim. You online boys just dont pay the $s between you to fund development...thats why Olegs dream of an online only WWII Sim will remain exactly that...a dream.

Von_Rat
04-26-2006, 04:48 PM
i dunno if oleg can pull it off but theres ww2online, and aces high as online only ww2 games. unless your exculding mmpogs.

WTE_Galway
04-26-2006, 05:21 PM
it is the nature of online dogfight servers to deteriorate into scrappy furballs and you need "instant kills" or someone else will simply steal your points, basically online dogfights are about being an "ace" and getting as many quick kills "fixes" as possible

in that environment its obvious late war planes are going to be the choice .. early war stuff is too slow and takes to long to bring down the targets

back in the days of open servers with a full plane set I used to regularly fly CAP in a P11c just to annoy the "i am elite" brigade http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif the fast plane jock's simply couldnt hit something that flew at a quarter their speed and could split S when only 150 metres off the ground. historically this situation occurred regularly with the Swordfish and the fw190's and bf109's which were too fast to get a good shot at them

HOWEVER in online co-ops, in the various online "wars" that have been hosted and offline generally the early stuff is just more fun and it actually takes a lot more team work and far better gunnery to get a kill when your guns are small calibre and/or have a slow cyclic rate

on top of that, if you want to just fly and check out the scenery at tree top level its hard to beat an Emil or J8a

its horses for courses really nothing is "better" just some types of plane set suit some environments better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nimits
04-26-2006, 05:22 PM
I'm a big fan of early war PTO matchups (P-40B or F4F-3 against A6M2-21 and Ki-43I).

panther3485
04-26-2006, 09:58 PM
Hi again, Stigler

Quote:
"And I guess that's where you and I differ. Because if I see a sim that has NO online component, I will not buy it, no matter how good the rest of it seems.
The value of any sim, IMO, is linked to its online community. That's where it's really at, gaming wise."

Fair enough, except that I have now started to change my mind about online play. Until recently, I didn't care about the online component of a game so it never figured in my evaluation when I was buying.
But anyways - online or off - planesets, periods and theatres will always be primary considerations for me - as well as sim quality and graphics, of course.

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Thanks for the exchange of ideas - pleasure talking to you (eventually).

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Best regards,
panther3485