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Kaleun1961
03-26-2006, 04:43 PM
I posted this earlier but I can't see it on the board, very strange.

Tomorrow night on A&E's Cold Case Files show will be a story about the murder of Bob Crane, the actor who portrayed Col. Hogan on the series Hogan's Heroes. 7 PM EST. I know Celeon would be interested to see this but I don't know if there is a way for him to see this in Germany.

Edit: It finally showed up, so I deleted the other post.

blue_76
03-26-2006, 10:01 PM
didn't he have a sex addiction? perhaps he died of aids? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bunkerratt
03-26-2006, 11:26 PM
if i remember correctly he was gay...and murderd .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Celeon999
03-27-2006, 02:58 AM
The police assumed it was his friend the famous movie maker John Carpenter but couldnt find proofs.

Celeon999
03-27-2006, 06:13 AM
Funny thing is that the only real german in the series was Werner Klemperer (Wilhelm Klink the camp commander).


He dubbed himself in the german translation with his unbelievable funny saxon accent. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif So there are even more additional jokes brought in with the german dubbing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



And Schulzi has an unique bavarian accent that makes Celeon make ROFL ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Remember him ? Corporal Newkirk ?

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6288/newkirk9lz.jpg


Did you know that he is stuttering in the german dubbing ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kaleun1961
03-27-2006, 07:08 AM
I never heard anything about Bob Crane being gay. He was married to one of the blondes who portrayed Helga, Klink's secretary. I think it was Cynthia Lynn whom he married.

The_Silent_O
03-27-2006, 08:22 AM
I just saw the movie "autofocus" which, as a drama pretty much covers his downfall realistically. There's a documentary with the DVD that covers the messed up police investigation and the reinvestigation that occured about 7 years later.

Both Carpenter and Crane had a "sex addiction" and carpenter filmed Crane in action, which was his obsession (film, pornography, etc).

Crane divorced his longtime first wife for the second Helga (Sigrid Valdis) of the show, who didn't mind having an open marriage with Bob Crane.

It's never been proved conclusively...but in the end Crane wanted to beat his addiction and try to get back with his first wife. He told that to Carpenter who could who could not deal with Crane not performing on camera for him anymore and there's strong evidence that he blugeoned him to death in a hotel room in Arizona. Capenter died about four years after the second investigation.

apparently Carpenter also had arrangement with Richard Dawson (Newkirk) also that included women and film. Dawson went on to become famous with the game show "family feud" in the 1980s where he was notorious for giving every female constestant a big smooch (even with their husbands or fathers nearby)

It's almost sad...since Crane had so much going for him, but he could not even see how this was affecting his career or family.

He was a good jazz drummer

Celeon999
03-27-2006, 08:51 AM
Maybe they should had let the german Polizei take on the investigations... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


I heard in the news today about an british study that says that the germans are the smartest europeans. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I didnt saw the entire rating but


on place :

1. Germany (average IQ of 107)
2. Poland (average IQ of 106)
3. was shared by several countrys with the same average IQ

8. Britain (average IQ of 100)

last place ... (Celeon imagines a smile on u.s citizens faces) France (average IQ of 97)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/610/ugly20usa20woman2017oq.jpg

Sorry Celeon loves that pic and couldnt resist. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I bet they didnt included german politicians into the study or we had been dropped to place 10 or something like that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif Hand the Bob Crane case over to us, we will solve this criminal puzzle in no time and find the murderer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


But i must admit that the creator of the study has also some very strange theories about intelligence.


He thinks that intelligence is connected to the climate the people are living in.

In his studys people from countries with lower temperatures are smarter than people with warmer climates.

He thinks that the climate has an long term effect on the human brain.


Living in cold climate means you become smarter after a few thousand years of evolution http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

bunkerratt
03-27-2006, 09:53 AM
ok...i was wrong ..just looked it up on the web ..found a site with the crime scene pictures ..

The_Silent_O
03-27-2006, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:

In his studys people from countries with lower temperatures are smarter than people with warmer climates.

He thinks that the climate has an long term effect on the human brain.


Living in cold climate means you become smarter after a few thousand years of evolution http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

CEL, you should read this book on the evolution of man...

Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393317552/002-5866829-5738425?v=glance&n=283155)

...it was a Pulitzer Prize winner. Climate has a little part to play...but an even bigger part was the northern europeans ability to fein disease. or avoid disease, since their immunity system developed more quickly.

HOOOOOGAN!!!!!!

Celeon999
03-27-2006, 10:55 AM
And why Celeon has a cold then and is sneezing all the time ?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

The_Silent_O
03-27-2006, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
And why Celeon has a cold then and is sneezing all the time ?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

It's your body building up its immunity system! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif That and your girlfriend and you are probably exchanging too many body fluids! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif Kissing, I mean http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif


....anyways, back to "HOOOOGAN!"

During the first investigation, DNA evidence was not mature enough to use during the trial...

During the second trial and investigation, DNA could have been used BUT, the blood stains in Carpenter's rental car were not preserved. A fleck of skull skin with a hair follicle was found and preserved, BUT could not be found by the state of Arizona for the trail...
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
...sounds just like a "Hogan's Heroes" TV show... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Celeon999
03-27-2006, 12:39 PM
What was the corpus delicti ?

The_Silent_O
03-27-2006, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
What was the corpus delicti ?

Now you're asking me to read latin????

Don't worry, the "O" took Latin in High School... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif...Always good to learn a dead language... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"Hoooogan's" body was found on the hotel bed, with his head beat in and an electrical cord wrapped around his neck. Cause of death was the fact that his skull was beaten in with (later discovered to be) a camera tri-pod. Tri-pod was never found. But investigators later matched the tripod by blood stains by the original tri pod that was set on the bed mattress.

Supposedly Carpenter took this tri-pod into his car where the blood and the small scalp flesh ended up on the inside car door...

...If anybody did that to my car...I'd have to create my own 'corpus delicti' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Latin humor...it never gets old! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Celeon999
03-27-2006, 01:17 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

That is indeed an Probatio diabolica. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


He propably didnt spend attention on an very old wisdom : Quidquid agis prudenter agas et respice finem

Jose.MaC
03-27-2006, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
I heard in the news today about an british study that says that the germans are the smartest europeans. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I didnt saw the entire rating but


on place :

1. Germany (average IQ of 107)
2. Poland (average IQ of 106)
3. was shared by several countrys with the same average IQ

8. Britain (average IQ of 100)

last place ... (Celeon imagines a smile on u.s citizens faces) France (average IQ of 97)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


This study should be incomplete or biased. Cannot believe that any other european is less inteligent than spaniards. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Backdraft57
03-27-2006, 05:11 PM
There is a site I found...something like hollywood mayhem or something that has pictures of dead celeb's, including Crane

Celeon999
03-28-2006, 03:59 AM
Maybe it was his counterplayer Major Hochst¤tter. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/8315/hoch17te.jpg



What bugs me most is that FOX still does not plan to sell Hogans Heroes in an european DVD version.


It was the same with MASH.

They only published the series on DVD in the USA with the original english audio.

It took the fan community thousands of emails and signatures on lists to convience Fox that MASH has a gigantic fan community in europe and wants to have an Euro DVD edition of MASH with all avaible dubbing streams on it.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Celeon has 7 of 11 seasons by now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


Now you could assume that FOX recognizes that nearly all MASH fans are also Hogan´s Heroes fans and that an second DVD edition would also sell great in europe but...... nooo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

They dont recognize a good deal when they stand right in front of it.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5074/pic0002a5gt.jpg

HeibgesU999
03-28-2006, 05:20 PM
I love MASH, but....

Henry Blake was a million times better than Potter.

And B.J. totally sucked (pardon the pun) compared to Trapper John.

Winchester was not a good character compared to Frank.

And why on earth did they have to make Hotlips "nice" at the end?

Bucketlung
03-28-2006, 07:12 PM
Amen HeibgesU999, amen. Until Seinfeld came along Mash was my No. 1 show but I never did understand why they couldn't manage the changes better. I really applaud the folks with Seinfeld for keeping that show on course.

I have always assumed the person who was really at fault for eroding the quality of Mash was Alan Alda. I suspect he was as insufferable in person as he became on the show.

I don't know the tv business but how could you go from Blake to Potter, Trapper to B.J., Frank to Winchester, and Hotlips to Mother Theresa. How long has it been and it still irks me today.

Since this thread is about Bob Crane I would add this; Klink and Schultz, now that is genius casting.

Celeon999
03-29-2006, 12:35 AM
My favourite characters are : Klinger, father Mulcahy and Radar. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The_Silent_O
03-29-2006, 06:49 AM
I was never a big MASH fan, I don't know why? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

When I was in college people used to stay up and watch the MASH reruns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

In my apartment we tuned into the reruns of the Original "Star Trek" on a 12 inch Black and White TV. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Even though it was on a 12 inch Black and White TV...Captain Kirk's waist did not look any smaller in the third season. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

"Spock,...I'll be in the galley!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

But I love William Shatner these days...he makes a profit out of being so bad...what a great Canadian import! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Bucketlung
03-29-2006, 07:26 AM
Yes, William Shatner is a good and rare example of an actor who has a personality without a script in his hand. What a character.

One of my favorite Mash moments is when Frank complains about all the foreigners in Korea.

Celeon999
03-29-2006, 07:39 AM
I love the scene in that bus where they pick up the chinese soldier who surrendered.

Frank has that portable radio always in his hands trying to reach an u.s unit somewhere.

Hawkeye hands over the other radio to the chinese soldier and asks him to say something in chinese into it....



"SIR ! I can hear the enemy ! I can hear their secret communistic messages !"

"Listen to me ! You little yellow communistic devils ! This is Major Frank Burns speaking !"

"You better all surrender now ! Uncle sam is here to stay and will never give up ! You hear me ?! Never !"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Kaleun1961
03-29-2006, 11:53 AM
I agree; the MASH decline was caused by Alda. It was a good show until it started getting all politically correct and preachy. Typical of Hollywood leftists, who think that because they are actors, they are somehow imbued with uncommon intelligence which makes them authorities on international relations.

Small trivia, getting back on topic: I was flipping through an oldies channel the other day and saw Bob Crane on a 1962 episode of the **** van **** show.

As for Guns, Germs and Steel: I saw it and recorded it onto DVD. It was a good series but Diamond's assertions have not gone unchallenged. It seems too simplistic to assume that the white, western race has just lucked out by a fluke of geography. Take Africans for an example. Is there any evidence to prove his assertions? The IQ of the average African American is lower than that of the average Caucasian American. It can't be attributed merely to culture either. Maybe I will catch a lot of flak for saying this, but I think the races are differently gifted in demonstrable ways, which plays a factor in how their respective societies are ordered and function. It took society a long time to accept that men's and women's brains are differently wired. Will the differences between races ever be demonstrated in a similar manner?

Kaleun1961
03-29-2006, 11:54 AM
Stupid auto-censor. It snaffled D-I-C-K van ****?

The_Silent_O
03-29-2006, 01:26 PM
You know what's amazing about "Hogan's Heroes" is that COL Klink, SGT Schultz and Cpl LeBeau were all Jewish refugees before the war. Robert Clary was actually from France and was in a concentration camp, Banner was actually born in Austria and spent some time in a concentration camp also, Klemperer (Klink) was also Jewish but immigrated to the US in time to Join the US Army for World War II.

Of those three only Clary is still alive. Klemperer played an outstanding role in the movie "Judgement at Nuremburg" as an ex Nazi Judge, I remember that one well. He wasn't just a fumbling actor.

The only other persons alive from the original cast (besides the women) is Ivan Dixon, who played the Black Sergeant and of course Richard Dawson.

Judgment at Nuremberg (http://imdb.com/title/tt0055031/)

it's an old film but worth the watching for great acting.

Celeon999
03-29-2006, 01:38 PM
I believe Robert Clary is an famous singer in France.


He also did some singing in Hogans Heroes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Ivan Dixon was replaced by another actor later in the series.

There were some problems between him and the producers.

Jose.MaC
03-29-2006, 03:17 PM
Wov! You have the original Solaris film! Remember when I watched on TV. I got it 20 minutes after the begining or so, but managed to recognize it after the first line of Old Rat. And got me all the lenght of the film.

Syxx_Killer_05
03-29-2006, 08:50 PM
Hogan's Heros was one of my favorite old shows. Shulzi and Klink were awesome! I haven't seen it in quite a while. Here in the States the only channel I used to watch it on was TV Land. They have stoped airing it. I wish there was another channel that carried. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Celeon999
03-30-2006, 01:30 AM
The same here . Hasnt been aired for quite some time....


And yes OF COURSE i have Solaris http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stanislaw Lem died lately. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Kaleun1961
03-30-2006, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Syxx_Killer_05:
Hogan's Heros was one of my favorite old shows. Shulzi and Klink were awesome! I haven't seen it in quite a while. Here in the States the only channel I used to watch it on was TV Land. They have stoped airing it. I wish there was another channel that carried. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I still get it on my local digital cable network, Deja View. It's great to see the old shows still going. I also watch Adam 12 and Dragnet. There are also some other old gems on specialty channels: Sanford and Son, Gunsmoke, Green Acres. It's like I never grew up and now all my shows are on a bigger TV, and in colour, too!

The_Silent_O
03-30-2006, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syxx_Killer_05:
Hogan's Heros was one of my favorite old shows. Shulzi and Klink were awesome! I haven't seen it in quite a while. Here in the States the only channel I used to watch it on was TV Land. They have stoped airing it. I wish there was another channel that carried. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I still get it on my local digital cable network, Deja View. It's great to see the old shows still going. I also watch Adam 12 and Dragnet. There are also some other old gems on specialty channels: Sanford and Son, Gunsmoke, Green Acres. It's like I never grew up and now all my shows are on a bigger TV, and in colour, too! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only do I get Hogan's Horoes on my digital cable but it is also on a high definition channel...so it's even better than it was originally shown...it's cool because the colors are all bright.

Celeon999
03-31-2006, 01:35 AM
Like flatscreens , they try to sell you HDTV TV´s on every corner here.

Only problem is that we only have one single channel yet that transmits in HDTV. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And its a pay TV channel that is not very interesting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Have you noticed what the screen looks like when you watch an normal not HDTV TV channel on an HDTV TV ?

Looks horrible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think the problem is that the TV channels think its no good idea to switch to HDTV when only so few people have the necessary TV´s.

But the people dont buy them as they have no HDTV channels to watch with them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The_Silent_O
03-31-2006, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
Like flatscreens , they try to sell you HDTV TV´s on every corner here.

Only problem is that we only have one single channel yet that transmits in HDTV. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And its a pay TV channel that is not very interesting



Have you noticed what the screen looks like when you watch an normal not HDTV TV channel on an HDTV TV ?

Looks horrible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think the problem is that the TV channels think its no good idea to switch to HDTV when only so few people have the necessary TV´s.

But the people dont buy them as they have no HDTV channels to watch with them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

CEL, that's surprising, since I thought Europe led the way with HDTV. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Here in the US all the major networks including FOX all transmit in HDTV at night with dolby digital 5.1. I even have one channel that is super High Def (1080 interlaced) all the time (that's the channel that shows "HOOOOOGAN" on saturday mornings). That makes about 7 channels for me.

The cable receiver for me feeds digital right into my receiver that decodes the dolby digital...

Now most of the shows on the Network Channels are krap http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif...but at least it looks and sounds nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

You get to see how much makeup it takes to make all the women pretty on TV

Celeon999
03-31-2006, 07:13 AM
CEL, that's surprising, since I thought Europe led the way with HDTV.


Well i dont know what its like in Britain or France but here in Germany....... Nope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif HDTV is just coming out of the craddle.

1.JaVA_Hornet
03-31-2006, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
Maybe they should had let the german Polizei take on the investigations... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


I heard in the news today about an british study that says that the germans are the smartest europeans. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I didnt saw the entire rating but


on place :

1. Germany (average IQ of 107)
2. Poland (average IQ of 106)
3. was shared by several countrys with the same average IQ

8. Britain (average IQ of 100)

last place ... (Celeon imagines a smile on u.s citizens faces) France (average IQ of 97)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/610/ugly20usa20woman2017oq.jpg

Sorry Celeon loves that pic and couldnt resist. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I bet they didnt included german politicians into the study or we had been dropped to place 10 or something like that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif Hand the Bob Crane case over to us, we will solve this criminal puzzle in no time and find the murderer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


But i must admit that the creator of the study has also some very strange theories about intelligence.


He thinks that intelligence is connected to the climate the people are living in.

In his studys people from countries with lower temperatures are smarter than people with warmer climates.

He thinks that the climate has an long term effect on the human brain.


Living in cold climate means you become smarter after a few thousand years of evolution http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


Then you didn`t listen very well. There
was told the dutch are the cleverest people in
europe and the second place german people.

Celeon999
03-31-2006, 08:36 AM
Really ?

That was what the news told me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maybe the french news said their people they are the smartest.

Norwegian TV said it were the norwegians etc .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


So that in the end all are happy and make http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif over the borders http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon999
03-31-2006, 08:41 AM
Wait ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Ive found the list !

Germany and the Netherlands are both on place one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Here it is (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2105519,00.html)

The_Silent_O
03-31-2006, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
Wait ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Ive found the list !

Germany and the Netherlands are both on place one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif




http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Too bad they don't get along...perhaps it was that occupation thing about 70 years ago

But hey, look at Poland http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif for a country that was under the thumb of the Iron Curtain they've progressed pretty good!

Celeon999
03-31-2006, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by The_Silent_O:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
Wait ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Ive found the list !

Germany and the Netherlands are both on place one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif




http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Too bad they don't get along...perhaps it was that occupation thing about 70 years ago

But hey, look at Poland http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif for a country that was under the thumb of the Iron Curtain they've progressed pretty good! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ot again but...... talking about poland ... i saw an very good movie about good ol Karol Wojtila lately.


Its called "Karol - A man who became pope"
Its a german, polish,italian co-production biography of his life and very good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Karol - A man who became pope Amazon.co.uk (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000BA8EA2/qid=1143824504/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/202-9217929-1919828)

Kaleun1961
03-31-2006, 03:02 PM
I really don't know how the sterotypical "dumb Polack" thing got started. A lot of smart people were Polish, including Copernicus. They also had some good musicians and mathematicians and helped with cracking Enigma.

Celeon999
04-01-2006, 02:24 AM
I never heard of that "polish beeing dumb" thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

The main prejudice thing on poland is that "all polish are thieves" thing.

That comes mainly from the high amount of professional car stealings in germany by polands organized crime scene and the fact that polish officials and police are known for beeing mostly corrupt.

But that corrupcy thing is also a common and very widely known thing about russia.

Ive witnessed this myself as me and some friends got into a car control near moscow. (We were driving too fast)

The police officer asked us fully openly if we want to pay "officialy" or "inofficialy" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Of course the inofficial fee into the pocket of the officer was lot less than the official to the russian federation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Its the same at the border controls .... some cigarettes for the officer and they dont even control your car. You can smuggel anything you want from russia to poland. No big deal. 9 of 10 officers will accept your little gift http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Nobody cares about that 50 kilos of uranium in the car trunk aslong as you have some money ,cigarettes or an nice bottle vodka for them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Try that on the german border http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif you can pray that they dont rip apart your whole car in search for smuggel wares. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

The term "polish shopping" is very widely spread in europe for stealing something.


But "polish beeing dumb" ..... totaly new to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


But there are some other nations which have this prejudice on them here in europe..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Kaleun1961
04-01-2006, 11:22 AM
I think the "dumb Polack" thing was developed in America. There are a good number of Polish communites in some American cities. Any newcomers are at first ostracized and made fun of until they integrate. It used to be the Irish, then the Italians, etc. The jokes start, and Poles were made fun of for being stupid or backwared. I'm guessing it is because there were waves of immigration, and like many groups in the older times, they had to start off doing menial jobs that were less demanding of intellect and more demanding of brawn. The jokes and sterotyping begin. The English tell Irish jokes, the Irish tell English jokes, and so forth.

Kaleun1961
04-01-2006, 11:34 AM
Getting back on topic here. I watched the show last night that I had recorded earlier this week. It does indeed look like John Carpenter was the perpetrator, but he, like O.J. Simpson, got off because of errors on the part of the police.

At the time of the initial investigation, they could only type blood; they could not yet do DNA identification. They found type B blood in Carpenter's rental car. They also found a splattering of what seemed to be human tissue on the inside of the car door. It was photographed in colour, and all specialists who looked at the photo identified it as human tissue matter. Very grisly to think about the implications of that. Unfortunately, the evidence was not preserved by refrigeration! Fifteen years later the evidence had deteriorated to the point where the newer DNA identification was impossible.

Bob Cranes's blood type was only in 10% of the population. Carpenter was the last person seen with Crane alive. They had been arguing. The blood splatter evidence matched Crane beeing bludgeoned in his sleep with a tripod. The tripod was seen in a photo of Crane's apartment taken on a previous occasion but was missing at the time of his death.

Crane had been living a playboy lifestyle. Carpenter was a hanger-on, who often had Crane's "lefotovers," women with whom he had finished. At the time of his death, Crane was tiring of his playboy lifestyle and had stated that he wanted to change his lifestyle, meet a nice woman and settle down into a more normal life. He did no longer wish to hang around with Carpenter. This disturbed Carpenter, who had a motive for killing Crane. Now, he was the last person seen with Crane alive, they had been arguing, blood smears of type B, Crane's type, but not Carpenter's type were found in Carpenter's rental car. Crane's apartment showed no signs of forced entry, meaning someone had a key to get in. That's a very strong circumstantial case against Carpenter.

Somehow the various jurisdictions muffed the evidence. Incredibly, the tissue sample was lost and the blood evidence not preserved for future investigation. When Carpenter was tried fifteen years later, the evidence can no longer stand up to judiciary standards and he is acquited. Lucky bastard, I say. I wonder where he is these days?

The_Silent_O
04-01-2006, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Getting back on topic here. I watched the show last night that I had recorded earlier this week. It does indeed look like John Carpenter was the perpetrator, but he, like O.J. Simpson, got off because of errors on the part of the police.

At the time of the initial investigation, they could only type blood; they could not yet do DNA identification. They found type B blood in Carpenter's rental car. They also found a splattering of what seemed to be human tissue on the inside of the car door. It was photographed in colour, and all specialists who looked at the photo identified it as human tissue matter. Very grisly to think about the implications of that. Unfortunately, the evidence was not preserved by refrigeration! Fifteen years later the evidence had deteriorated to the point where the newer DNA identification was impossible.

Bob Cranes's blood type was only in 10% of the population. Carpenter was the last person seen with Crane alive. They had been arguing. The blood splatter evidence matched Crane beeing bludgeoned in his sleep with a tripod. The tripod was seen in a photo of Crane's apartment taken on a previous occasion but was missing at the time of his death.

Crane had been living a playboy lifestyle. Carpenter was a hanger-on, who often had Crane's "lefotovers," women with whom he had finished. At the time of his death, Crane was tiring of his playboy lifestyle and had stated that he wanted to change his lifestyle, meet a nice woman and settle down into a more normal life. He did no longer wish to hang around with Carpenter. This disturbed Carpenter, who had a motive for killing Crane. Now, he was the last person seen with Crane alive, they had been arguing, blood smears of type B, Crane's type, but not Carpenter's type were found in Carpenter's rental car. Crane's apartment showed no signs of forced entry, meaning someone had a key to get in. That's a very strong circumstantial case against Carpenter.

Somehow the various jurisdictions muffed the evidence. Incredibly, the tissue sample was lost and the blood evidence not preserved for future investigation. When Carpenter was tried fifteen years later, the evidence can no longer stand up to judiciary standards and he is acquited. Lucky bastard, I say. I wonder where he is these days?

Carpenter died of a heart attack about four years after the last trial. Ironically, he was the one that married and settled down somewhere between the first and second trial.

The Movie "autofocus" is a pretty enlightning drama, plus the DVD also comes with its own documentary where they interview the children of Crane.

And K61, you are spot on about the stereo typing of the Polish Immigrants (I'm second generation, but obviously of mixed descent - bit of German and Scottish by way of Georgia (the state, not the country in former Russia). But every generation has it's new wave of immigrants here in the USA.

Needless to say, the former Pope John Paul II always got a warm reception in cities like Chicago, Detroit and New York and New Jersey.

Right now, as you might know we are in a quandry with the mexican illegal aliens. I once did some patrols with our border patrol agents in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico. Both the Border Patrol Agents and the illegal aliens that we picked up were of Spanish Descent, the only thing that separated them was a generation or two. I've never met a more patriotic bunch then those spanish-american border patrol agents.

Kaleun1961
04-01-2006, 08:29 PM
I don't think there's much chance that the American gov't is going to do anything serious about stopping illegal immmigration. The rich Republicans like the cheap labour, the Democrats like the ethnic vote. The ordinary citizen just wants it stopped. Like it has been said in another thread, the American people are not served well by their gov't.

I'm sure if they really wanted to, they could stop or at least throttle the illegal border crossing by stationing some military presence along the frontier. Lay plenty of wire and mines, motion detectors. Something like the security wall the Israelis are building.

In decrying opposition to this illegal immigration as being racially motivated they are losing sight of one thing; it is ILLEGAL immigration they are against. At this current rate, it is not immigration, it is invasion. Uncle Sam should secure his borders.

blue_76
04-01-2006, 08:47 PM
it is said that since the early 90s, illegal immigration has jumped over 200%. but what is the US to do without illegal immigrants? who's going to stand out in the sun picking cotton? who's going to take out the trash from the streets? who's going to babysit for the next neighbor? who's going to work at the gas pump when they're all deported or converted to citizens? illigal immigrants are vital to US economy, they're not a threat. the real threat to the US economy is China (wallmart is a good example of the impact). your common illegal immigrant pays for the plumber and pays for their children's schooling and pay the local grocery store just as any american citizen would.

btw.. what was the original topic on this thread? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
its what i like about this forum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The_Silent_O
04-03-2006, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by blue_76:
but what is the US to do without illegal immigrants? who's going to stand out in the sun picking cotton? who's going to take out the trash from the streets? who's going to babysit for the next neighbor? who's going to work at the gas pump when they're all deported or converted to citizens? illigal immigrants are vital to US economy, they're not a threat. the real threat to the US economy is China (wallmart is a good example of the impact). your common illegal immigrant pays for the plumber and pays for their children's schooling and pay the local grocery store just as any american citizen would.


Actually all those occupations you mention a true illegal alien could not work. In order to work a "wage" or "hourly wage" job an alien must be registered with the IRS in some form. And have a work permit. I've never seen a illegal alien doing any of those jobs you mention. (yes, sometimes nanny's are illegal, I'll grant you that)

Illegal Aliens typically work jobs for cash, and that breaks down to migrant farming, lawn care and manual labor. They are typically only Hired for the day and paid by the day.

And because of this, they do not pay taxes to either state or the federal government, because there is no record of their work. The problem arises with health care and schools. If the worker gets injured he gets medical care that somebody else has to suck up. If he is here with a family, then his children might go to school or get hurt but he's not paying health insurance or local taxes...So they become a burden to the local government. That's probably the real rub here.

...Ha! nobody's picked cotton since the Civil War...we have machines that do that (which in small part led to the Civil War)


The rich Republicans like the cheap labour, the Democrats like the ethnic vote.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Not all Republicans are rich...and on the contrary, by viture of having lived in Monterey California, there are many rich in influencial democrats (movie stars and producers are just one example)...and guess who keep their lawns cut?

Actually it's been the Republicans that have been courting the lower and middle class Hispanic Vote. Like I mentioned before it is really the Hispanic US Citizens in the Border states that see the illegal alien as a threat to their job future. How would you feel if you had done (or your father worked very hard) to become a US citizen, then have your job offered to an illegal alien (since you don't have to pay his health care or document him/her for taxes).

I just heard an NPR bit a week ago where some black labor oganizations (Democrat) were mobilizing hard to have the government crack down on illegal aliens. It's a threat to there job future.

Celeon999
04-03-2006, 07:40 AM
Celeon zings : "Eihm an ¤lien, Eihm ma legal ¤lien, Eihm an german guy in New York"!
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