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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:25 AM
I'd like this option as it really helps me keep in context with what I'm most comfortable with. I grew up with the English system, and it would be easier for me to relate to it. Maybe a user defined key will switch it? and maybe you could add a new line making the bar look like this: What is in parentheses are not to be included, they are just to give reference.

Metric:
Spd:350 (kph)
Alt:500 (meters)
Hdg:185

OR

English:
Spd:217 (BTW, this number is rounded from 217.48)
Alt:1500 (feet)
Hdg:185


What do you guys think?

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:25 AM
I'd like this option as it really helps me keep in context with what I'm most comfortable with. I grew up with the English system, and it would be easier for me to relate to it. Maybe a user defined key will switch it? and maybe you could add a new line making the bar look like this: What is in parentheses are not to be included, they are just to give reference.

Metric:
Spd:350 (kph)
Alt:500 (meters)
Hdg:185

OR

English:
Spd:217 (BTW, this number is rounded from 217.48)
Alt:1500 (feet)
Hdg:185


What do you guys think?

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:56 AM
I wish

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:00 AM
That's the last straw!

They get P~51, "P" as in Pound, now they want pound~mass feet per second squared.http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/kopfpatsch.gif


Learn your metric, like German and Russian pilots had to. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif or wait till Oleg does Pacific or Med

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:10 AM
why do you think we left europe, the metric system http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:50 AM
the English system is knots and feet


I presume you mean the American system (mph)

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 12:17 PM
You idiot! The English system is the name given to that entire measurment system!! Doy!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 12:29 PM
I hope not.. I always (along with the rest of the world) get confused because of ur feets and miles per hour /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 12:50 PM
I'm American and prefer the metric system. I wish the archaic english system would just die, but no matter how many people want it gone, there is still a few that refuse to give it up/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif .Learn to live with the much simpler and accurate metric system mister, cause the obsolete english system is on its last leg.

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RichardI
06-30-2003, 12:57 PM
Gentlemen:-
Just FYI, THERE IS NO SUCH MEASUREMENT SYSTEM AS THE ENGLISH SYSTEM, IT IS CALLED THE IMPERIAL SYSTEM!

I'm Canadian and was raised on it, I should know. It's called the IMPERIAL system of measurement.

Sheeshh

BTW, Boosher - this has been asked for many times. It would be very simple to implement, but Olegs anti-anything-not-Russian mentality won't allow it.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:01 PM
You got FB 16 days earlier,we have the metric system/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:18 PM
Have to agree with Maj Death.



Widgeon

RichardI
06-30-2003, 01:42 PM
Hmmmm.
This always ticks me off. carguy, widgeon and Maj_Death - why would you give a damn if it's a selectable option in the game? You can still have your oversimplified, I-don't-need-any-brains-to-figure-it-out Metric system. Nobody's trying to take away your little bubbas, babies. You can keep your blankies.

What a childish, idiotic, dog-in-the-manger attitude. Grow up.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:58 PM
<sigh>

Calm down folks.
A switch to allow any measurement, to make everyone happy, is just fine. I am used to knots and feet, I work with knots and feet when I fly. It would be nice and it shouldn't insult anyone if that feature were available. Simple post, simple request, please stop the name-calling.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 02:12 PM
RichardI wrote:
- You can still have your oversimplified,
- I-don't-need-any-brains-to-figure-it-out Metric
- system.

If you don't need a brain to figure it out why do you need the Imperial system?

- What a childish, idiotic, dog-in-the-manger attitude.
- Grow up.

And your response is adult minded?

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:28 PM
I'd prefer a metric speedbar in german and russian planes, but a imperial speedbar when flying american or british planes like Hurri and those P-39,40,47s. The Speedbar just shall show the system which can be read on the panel - and pls make it more precise. Now it's 10km/h and 50m increments...


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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:31 PM
RichardI wrote:


You can still have
- your oversimplified,
- I-don't-need-any-brains-to-figure-it-out Metric
- system.


Alrighty then, the final word.



Widgeon

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:36 PM
The Imperial system is about as likely to be added to FB as an option for using furlongs per fortnight. The reason why isn't because it would be hard to add, actual programming time would be about 10 minutes for something that trivial. But the issue is why. Americans are a very small percentage of FB players. And since the USA and maybe Canada (can't remember) are the only nations that still use the old imperial system, there really isn't much demand for it. And from a europeans perspective, using miles per hour is like using furlongs per fortnight. Thinking of which, I would like to propose that option as well. So that way the 2 hill billy players that are truely out in the boonies and still use that measurement will be happy too/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif .

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Message Edited on 06/30/0311:37AM by Maj_Death

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:57 PM
Aaaw poor Richard is crying again./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


That`s the way it is you asshat!You can`t have all the things you want in life.Get a hold of yourself.If the metric system is too simple for ya,try to figure it out or get used to it.

You have your American system in your planes - just look at the cockpit unless you`re too blind to see the gauges.

Besides Oleg shouldn`t waste time to make that lame imperial system.It`s obviously some kind of conspiracy to bias the game in favor of Yanks.Imagine an imperial gauges in LW planes - yuk!They would probably lose much performance.

Brits aren`t complaining but Yankwhiners seem to want to take over the game..50 destroying a Tiger..pfft!

Get over it, STFU and stop crying.Now go to your room and think through all this again.


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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:08 PM
The option for the Imperial System has been asked for many times before and should be included as US planes shipped to Lend Lease countries (Russia & Britain) had instruments based on this system. So it would be historically accurate to include the Imperial system.

Flight Sims such as :

EAW, Falcon 4, Janes WW2 Fighters etc, all gave the player the option of Metric or Imperial system of measurments.

These are all older sims-are we to regress in our options?

Finally it is not the percentage of users that should define what should or should not be in a sim. It is all of the consumers that will be purchasing a product and using it.

FB is a flight sim that has been marketed world-wide, hence it should include all options for that country it is being sold in.

Why do you think the owners manuals come in so many languages ?

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 10:07 PM
Canada has been metric for many years. I think the only country still using miles and feet is the U.S.

Canadians are conversant in both 'cause of our proximity to the U.S. and its influx of media but officially we are metric totally.



And since the USA and maybe Canada (can't
- remember) are the only nations that still use the
- old imperial system,

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 12:43 AM
The english system is good for get confuse turist in the usa and get their money, for example taxis, keep the english system!!!! MMM NOT!

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:01 AM
Well, You could use these scales:

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http://w1.733.telia.com/~u73302883/conv/convmetertofeet.gif


Print them out and put them next to your monitor.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:16 AM
I don't really care. Metric or USA type.. whats the diff?
AS long as you have a perception of what they are it doesn't really matter. If you don't have that perception then you need to get it. Most of the world is metric and a lot of the USA stuff is too. Might as well get familiar with it. My advice is don't ever 'convert'. Just use what sytem is in place wherever you are and get used to it. Broaden your horizon so to speak. People get hung up trying to convert. If IL-2 has metric values just learn what the important speeds or distances or whatever are in that. If your traveling down a Texas highway, and your spedometer is in MPH just use that at that time. Trying to convert is what throws people off. Don't convert, ... adapt. Works for me. Just a thought.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:34 AM
Do away with the metric system in US planes atleast. I can understand why people would argue about using english version for German and Russian but atleast for US planes we should have that choice.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 08:29 AM
Isnt this what it is all about choice ?

I paid my $45 bucks and I should be able to choose what measurement system I would like to use while flying FB.

Older Sims like EAW & Janes WW2 gave me that choice, the same choice all Europeans had - Metric for German planes & Imperial for US or choose either system for a default setting.

Now I have the Metric system down pretty well but it bothers me that a flight sim that is supposed to be historically accurate does not offer this option for measurement settings. Nor does it consider what country their flight sim is being sold in.



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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:46 PM
hi schooler BigKahuna_GS wrote in his/her term paper...

-- Nor does it consider what country their flight sim is being sold in.

Oleg knows Metric is taught in USA schools. Now, it is possible that Oleg does not know that USA students get F. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 03:02 PM
Hee hee - I just love to read these forums! The dialogue is really very funny! Sometimes eloquent, sometimes not, but always entertaining.

Might I suggest flying in cockpit mode - all instruments are Imperial when they should be, and Metric when they should be.

Fly carefully
/Jilli

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 03:35 PM
jilli wrote:
- Hee hee - I just love to read these forums! The
- dialogue is really very funny! Sometimes eloquent,
- sometimes not, but always entertaining.
-
- Might I suggest flying in cockpit mode - all
- instruments are Imperial when they should be, and
- Metric when they should be.
-
- Fly carefully
- /Jilli


will not help the americans

Planes like the hurricane are in knots

they want MPH

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 04:57 PM
I think this actually would be much more difficult than you think. You couldn't get away with just changing the speedbar, you see. You'd have to change all of the altitude & speed voice and text messages.

Plus, there'd be no consistency with other players.

Imagine doing a VOW mission and your flight leader says to climb to 3500 meters. Now you have to do the calculation so that you'll know what that is...'cause you know if you ask him to do it for you, he probably won't even say 'No' very politely.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:36 PM
This game is about the Russian-German war, also called the "eastern front". Russians use the Metric system, germans use the metric system. I've made my point. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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